Don't you take pride in what you post?!?!?

Originally posted by Rising Against
In all fairness though, was she wrong with what she was 'ranting' about? I don't think so. I dare say most reading this thread agree with her in fact. And that's the point we should try to remember here, she's actually not wrong with what she's saying. Her posting history, as far as I'm concerned anyway, is completely irrelevant. The point she's making on the other hand is not something that should be ignored like it has been.

With all due respect Rising Against, you are clearly a consistent provider of quality threads and posts to this forum, and had you made this thread your view would be just and valid because you set such a fine example. The OP on the otherhand does not provide such material, and yet, hypocritically expects others to do so.

Originally posted by Rising Against
One line threads or a link with the following comment "thoughts" are annoying and not exactly what any of us want to see here.

They may be annoying to you and your friends, but you and your friends do not make up the entire body of this forum, and some of us can look beyond immediate appearances and see that someone may just be trying to communicate. Some of those that initially produce oneline threads, often go on to be good consistent contributors, and they do so by following the example that others set.

Originally posted by Rising Against
Pointless thread titles that are completely different to the subject matter.

A great deal of members not even trying to contribute to a very good site where the overall content make it what it is.

My point exactly, if all that someone can do is criticise, rather than get off their arse and 'be the change they want to see' is not, to my mind, doing anything to contribute to what makes this site great, and having read most of the OPs posts now, I do not see any giving at all to this site other than the odd bit of sycophancy.

Originally posted by Rising Against
All you guys arguing over Mblah's posting history, arguing over who's right, arguing over who's a hypocrite and so on is, in my opinion, silly and rather juvenile.

The real issue you guys should be discussing is the quality of the boards, as highlighted in the opening post, and ways to improve it.

That is exactly what I was doing. I think the quality of these boards would improve dramatically if some empty vessels stopped making so much noise (about themselves and what they want) and actually contributed or assisted in guiding those threads that need help and attention.

Originally posted by Rising Against
Not contributing to dragging it down with replying to each other desperately trying to prove you're the right one and the other person is a wrong hypocrite or whatever, It's a pointless and un-important issue in my opinion.

I am not trying to prove that I am right, I am requesting that the OP defend her position and start producing some worthwhile content instead of criticising others and making excuses for her own inactivity in that respect.

Originally posted by Rising Against
But anyway, for what it's worth, I'm just throwing that viewpoint out there. Hopefully someone will read it and realize what they really should be angry about

Trust me, I know.

Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by gabby2011

 

I've seen this rant so much Rising Against..and quite frankly I like one liners that get straight to the point.. I like threads that give a brief outline of a topic, with a video or link to back it up.

Yes, I see the same kind of message in a new thread every few weeks/months as well so It's not just you there. Is that necessarily a bad thing though? I don't think so. Sometimes thing's like this need to be repeated in my opinion. Also, as someone who typically likes to write longer posts and threads with as much information as I can possibly fit in there, I actually agree with you when you say: "I like one liners that get straight to the point.. I like threads that give a brief outline of a topic, with a video or link to back it up. "

In fact I don't think I saw anyone say they disagree with what you just said there. What we do take issue with however is the 'pointless' one line threads that contribute absolutely nothing to the board, or those thread's with nothing but a link or a 2 hour video and a quick comment to say "Thoughts?", because they drag the quality of the site down. That's what is being discussed here, not all one line posts - but instead those comments from people that contribute nothing.

I know Mblah fairly well now, I consider her a good friend of mine in fact and I 100% agree with the point she's making here - the core point being a great deal of members just don't seem to care anymore. A vast majority, from what I've seen myself, are looking to post so they can get the most flags or stars instead of posting because they actually want to learn a thing or two and that's a great shame really because it shows.

I like this site a lot and I know Mblah does too, thus why she posted this thread in the first place and in the manner in which she did. For me this forum is a favorite and quite frankly the best of It's kind and It'll probably remain that way for a long time and It's for that reason I at least try to contribute whenever I can. But for that reason It can get frustrating to see a vast majority cancel you out and post nonsense thus dragging the site down at the same time. That's why this thread is here, to highlight that annoyance in an effort to help tackle it. And that's one of the main points I was making in my last post here - Tackling that problem is not something we should forget as a lot of people arguing in this thread have done thus far.

As I said in my first post in this thread: 'This is a great site as it stands right now and as they say - It's up to us, as a whole, to keep it that way.' That's why I replied to your post Gabby, It was nothing personal, I just had to point out It seems like some in this thread are contributing to the very thing we should be combating.

edit on 27-1-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)

My god man, here you are what, 19/20 years of age defending a grown woman who is seemingly incapable of doing so herself. Had you ever been on the receiving end of jibes about how women don't know what real equality is, you would perhaps realise why this little exercise in futility is entertaining me so very much. I agree with them you see, many women, the OP included don't even deserve the friggin' vote let alone equality. I mean really...and you encourage this sort of behaviour. I don't know who is worse.

reply to post by Biliverdin


wow ..you have a knack for saying exactly what I am thinking about this thread .. with 100 times more eloquence.

You have no idea how grateful I am to you for putting things down in words so beautifully with great focus on your points.

You inspire me to write more intelligently , as well as to have patience with those who are just learning, and to be a better role model for them.

Thank you for that.

And you're correct.. had Rising Against made this thread..ahh..never mind.. Rising Against is not the ranting type.. he is old school English good manners..and I love him for it... not to mention one of the quality members of this board... but I think he needs to realize what kind of effect the Op can have on other members with her superior type attitude.

reply to post by Biliverdin

My god man, here you are what, 19/20 years of age defending a grown woman who is seemingly incapable of doing so herself. Had you ever been on the receiving end of jibes about how women don't know what real equality is, you would perhaps realise why this little exercise in futility is entertaining me so very much. I agree with them you see, many women, the OP included don't even deserve the friggin' vote let alone equality. I mean really...and you encourage this sort of behaviour. I don't know who is worse.

Ok, first off I don't see why my age or Mblah's gender is relevant here and I'd appreciate it if you act like an adult and leave personal stuff like out of this "debate." It obviously has no place here.

Second, feel free to believe I'm "worse" if you want, I'm not sure why It should bother me. I 100% stand by what I said before otherwise I would've have said it and I wholly agree with what Mblah said as well. We both like this website, we've been around a fair while now and we'd like to see it constantly get better, not worse. That's why she made this thread (to rightfully highlight certain negative aspects) and that's why I'm posting in it now.

reply to post by gabby2011


Thank you, and you too have earned my respect, and may I say, though not to diminish the content of your posts, what I most admire is your ability to apologise and admit that you are wrong sometimes. A great sign of wisdom and maturity, not to mention a well-needed dose of humility that is often lacking in these here hills.

Originally posted by Rising Against
Ok, first off I don't see why my age or Mblah's gender is relevant here and I'd appreciate it if you act like an adult and leave personal stuff like out of this "debate." It obviously has no place here.

Please do read back the posts on these threads and tell me who got personal first...or do you think it is fair to imply someone was unpopular at school because they disagree with the OP. My point about your age and the OP, relationally, is highly relevent. Since when does everyone agree with everyone here and do you jump in to defend everyones honour. You may know the OP well but that too is equally irrelevent, I don't and since the OP was about board content, I am taking the OPs board content as an example, not what all you guys chat about when you are socialising.

WOW OK..... so I had no idea what I was commenting on when I posted my response up there.


What is going on in this thread man?? Seriously?

Issues....


:shk:


ATS and the quality of posts has been in decline for a long time now... to get into the reasons as to why this has happened is impossible as it's a touchy subject on ATS.

We have become almost identical to GLP, apart from the language and smileys.


Most people DO just post crap and post ridiculous YT vids and other such nonsense.


Religious zealots and nutters frequent every section and board and spout off crap.

Racists and Xenophobes lurk in every nook and cranny, waiting to spew their bile.

Homophobes and Misogynists treat the place as their platform of hate.

Political trolling and left/right arguments have all but ruined this site and have caused many to cease posting.

Anti-Muslim & Anti-Jew hatred has rocketed over the few years I've been here and continues along at a pace.



Seriously

ATS is like a cesspool of nasty, rotten crap... the odd nice thread or decent discussion floats by and then all of a sudden is consumed by the dirty S*** that surrounds and infests ATS.

ATS is a beacon of hatred and bigotry and nastiness.

And that needs to change.

Many of the old decent members left because they couldn't stand the changes to the place.
Many left because of the problems and people I've spoken about.

SOME stayed and try to make the most of this place and combat the very problems I've highlighted... It's like swimming against the tide and is not rewarding and is a thankless undertaking.

But ATS was a good place once maybe it can be again.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

FINAL WARNING!!!

You are responsible for your own posts.

We expect civility and decorum within all topics - Please Review This Link.


Be the Change You Wish To See

As an addition....please discuss the topic and not other members.
While it is one thing to make a general statement about what members post, it is another thing....and not allowed...to discuss, attack or belittle other members.

reply to post by Biliverdin

Please do read back the posts on these threads and tell me who got personal first...or do you think it is fair to imply someone was unpopular at school because they disagree with the OP.

Well come on now, you know as well as I do that's not the point here. If I insult you, and then you go onto insult me does that mean you're not in the wrong? No, of course not. We would both be in the wrong there. I feel as though a bit more maturity may be needed on your part if you simply couldn't resist insulting someone back, even if they chose to insult you first.

Insults aren't going to win you an argument, all they're going to do is destroy your credibility in said argument. Simple as that in my opinion.

My point about your age and the OP, relationally, is highly relevent. Since when does everyone agree with everyone here and do you jump in to defend everyones honour. You may know the OP well but that too is equally irrelevent, I don't and since the OP was about board content, I am taking the OPs board content as an example, not what all you guys chat about when you are socialising.

Well actually no my age is not relevant, nor is Mblah's gender. If you disagree with one of us, or both of us, then you should stick to what we've said as opposed to looking for something personal to bring into the debate. It has no place and It's a rather low tactic to endorse.

Once again, I'd appreciate it if you leave personal details out of the thread. Thanks.

Also, that's fair enough. You may not know Mblah very well so I can understand why you're saying what you've said. I still disagree of course, and that's based on what kind of person I know her to be, but I understand still.

Finally, as I said to Gabby before, what she (Mblah) said is by far more relevant in this thread and I think It's such a shame that you are just so determined to ignore that fact and continue to focus on the person saying it. I mean, I have to ask, in your opinion, was she actually wrong with what she said? Is this website really better with one line/word posts, or thread's with almost no personal content, a link and a comment asking for everyone's opinion? Or instead is this a better website when people actually spent time on a thread/post and try to contribute something worth reading?

I certainly know which website I prefer to post in out of the two..

Originally posted by blupblup
WOW OK..... so I had no idea what I was commenting on when I posted my response up there.


What is going on in this thread man?? Seriously?

I agree with you, but then if we can't deal with all the very many shapes and forms that humanity comes in what is the point anyway. I for one come here for the very reasons that you are complaining about, because it is practice for the real world and a safe environment where we can go head to head and iron out our differences, and very often we do.

Originally posted by Rising Against
Finally, as I said to Gabby before, what she said is by far more relevant in this thread and I think It's such a shame that you are just so determined to ignore that fact and continue to focus on the person saying it. I mean, I have to ask, in your opinion, was she actually wrong with what she said? Is this website really better with one line/word posts, or thread's with almost no personal content, a link and a comment asking for everyone's opinion?

It very much depends, I do often find that those are the best discussions. I know of hundreds of threads which are beautifully constructed, present the most salient of arguments and conclusions, and all that it leaves is for people to slap the OP on the back and the thread sinks away to join all the others in obscurity. I personally love the difference and variety that this site offers, and believe that there is a place for everyone.

Originally posted by Biliverdin
I agree with you, but then if we can't deal with all the very many shapes and forms that humanity comes in what is the point anyway. I for one come here for the very reasons that you are complaining about, because it is practice for the real world and a safe environment where we can go head to head and iron out our differences, and very often we do.

Pretty much the same as me.
I enjoy a good argument, I like showing these bigots how stupid and ignorant they are.
But when every thread descends into madness and people constantly spout off hateful nonsense, it kind of gives the place a nasty atmosphere.

As my comment up there said (before it was removed), I agree with others who have mentioned hypocrisy on the part of the OP and perhaps people should practice what they preach... and yes, ATS is a very cliquey and odd place and certain people get stars for farting and posting a single, solitary smiley.... it pisses people off, I get it.

But the fundamental points raised in the OP and some of my own a post or two up, remain and need to be addressed....

Everyone on the site has gripes and everyone dislikes other people and topics.

That's just life.

reply to post by Biliverdin


Well then I guess we may always disagree on this issue - One thing that really bugs me is when people don't even try to contribute here. Like I said before, I like this website a lot and It's the only place where I feel as though I can discuss the type of topics I find really interesting, so obviously I want to see the site improve all the time and I hate to see the opposite happen.

And It's those pointless thread's with nothing of value that make the overall forum look bad in my opinion. But like Blup said in the above post, I can understand what some people are saying here about the way in which the opening post came to be posted but at the end of the day I really do feel as though the core original points brought up by Mblah are issues that just really shouldn't be ignored.

Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by Biliverdin

 

Well then I guess we may always disagree on this issue - One thing that really bugs me is when people don't even try to contribute here. Like I said before, I like this website a lot and It's the only place where I feel as though I can discuss the type of topics I find really interesting, so obviously I want to see the site improve all the time and I hate to see the opposite happen.

And It's those pointless thread's with nothing of value that make the overall forum look bad in my opinion. But like Blup said in the above post, I can understand what some people are saying here but at the end of the day I really do feel as though the core original points brought up by Mblah are issues that just really shouldn't be ignored.

Yes I agree, but they should be dealt with there and then, in thread, pointedly so that the poster concerned can understand the issue and be given a fair chance to respond to the criticism...or by the mods taking action if T&Cs have been violated, but what is the point in making a thread on BTS which only some members even bother looking at because they are not interested in off-topic content. How does that help matters? Set a good example, earn the flags and stars and people will follow.

Originally posted by Biliverdin

My god man, here you are what, 19/20 years of age defending a grown woman who is seemingly incapable of doing so herself. Had you ever been on the receiving end of jibes about how women don't know what real equality is, you would perhaps realise why this little exercise in futility is entertaining me so very much. I agree with them you see, many women, the OP included don't even deserve the friggin' vote let alone equality. I mean really...and you encourage this sort of behaviour. I don't know who is worse.

Wow, just wow. Do you talk to your mother this way?

I will not sit here and argue on an internet forum over childish remarks such as this if you must know. I will respond one time and that is it. My point has been made and I didn't sign up for online highschool. If you can't discuss the topic nicely why even post?

If you knew me as a member you would know I won't entertain these kinds of posts. It has nothing to do with being incapable of answering it's being mature enough to walk away. As you said (I bolded it) I am a grown woman which means i don't do the bicker back and forth online thing. It's not why I joined ATS. You can debate civilly on here without using insults.

As far as insulting me many times well that will get you no where on here with me guarantee that. You are what a member of a whole week and you already know everything about me? Not even close, too bad we might have gotten along because Im pretty easy to get along with. If you had been on here longer you might understand the point of my thread and see it's not really anything bad. I also don't point anyone out, I could have but that would be rude and against T&C. My point was made without insulting members directly.

RA is a friend and well is doing what friends do, defend their board mates when they see fit. I would do the same, so please don't insult him for being nice.

reply to post by Biliverdin

but what is the point in making a thread on BTS which only some members even bother looking at because they are not interested in off-topic content.

Its the RANT forum!!!!
BTS is the non-serious place.
Its to blow off steam which you just want to add to.
Maybe you should set an example and make a great thread about whatever it is you want to bring to the table instead.
What you are posting here isn't helping anything other then make her point about agitators and people just being rude.
Attack the post and not the poster.

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Oh are we all here to be nice? I am sorry I thought we are here to deny ignorance.

Excuse me, but between you and DrumsRfun, I've just pissed myself laughing and really must go and change my pants.

reply to post by Biliverdin

Oh are we all here to be nice?

As much as we can. Yes. Manners and Decorum. Many threads on this subject.

I am sorry I thought we are here to deny ignorance.

Absolutely. As much as we can.

Excuse me, but between you and DrumsRfun, I've just pissed myself laughing and really must go and change my pants.

Exactly the type of contribution that adds nothing to a thread.

Wasn't that a topic in this rant??

All good. Learn to live, live to learn.

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by Biliverdin

 

but what is the point in making a thread on BTS which only some members even bother looking at because they are not interested in off-topic content.

Its the RANT forum!!!!
BTS is the non-serious place.
Its to blow off steam which you just want to add to.
Maybe you should set an example and make a great thread about whatever it is you want to bring to the table instead.
What you are posting here isn't helping anything other then make her point about agitators and people just being rude.
Attack the post and not the poster.

In all fairness to Biliverdin..he/she isn't complaining about the threads and posts, and has no issues with them..

I suggest you tell those who are complaining or agree with the complaints to start the quality threads..

We are waiting..