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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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I quit downloading movies after I received a warning from my IP on behalf of Paramount Pictures. It warned that I could be fined 250,000 dollars and/or serve prison time.

I had told a friend of mine, several months before this, how to download movies using torrents. When I got my letter, I warned him about it. He kept doing it and they shut his service down without warning. He had a different IP than me.




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Not true. The game was paid for once. They got their money. It you want to resell its up to you. That's like saying the used car industry is hurting new car sales.


 
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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That sounds interesting but i've been downloading very large amounts of data and never had any warnings or anything even without the protection programs, as for piracy it annoys me that blank cassettes were produced to record television and radio which is piracy but as the industries were making money from it there was no law against their production.
Now the internet took away their profits now they clamp down on it, load of b.s to me.

Just my two cents



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999

Originally posted by mileysubet
reply to post by SethGecko
 


So if I follow your logic; it is ok to Steal something you don't like (which is completely subjective) but not something you do like?

I am always amused at the way people try to justify theft (piracy) of any product.


Well said. It amazes me how people try to justify theft, simply because it 'appears' harmless from their end.
I often wonder if these people would mind computer programmers, musicians, and movie directors slipping into their houses while they're not at home and stealing their jewelry and electronics...
I bet they'd be on the phone to the police in no time at all lol!!



Well, technically - it's not theft but cloning. If someone made a clone of my jewelry and electronics, I wouldn't be too bothered.

Theft would imply the original file is deleted or taken, whereas piracy is actually duplication, copying the file.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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I am a fairly heavy user or torrents. I download a bit, but usually leave myself to share back for a while.

I am part of one of the elusive private trackers that is limited to 25,000 people worldwide, and when I need something a little older, there is always demonoid.


I don't care what people think about piracy, if they are against it that means they don't know how to do it.

I don't know how we can compare theft to piracy, theft dy definition is taking something from someone. Nothing goes missing, nobody is out anything it just things are copied.

If copying could work for cars and you could copy your neighbor car, you wouldn't rather than going to buy a new one? When you copy your neighbors car, they are not losing anything, there is no theft. And don't play semantics, it doesn't have to be your neighbors car, it could be anyone's. Even a car you know you could afford.

I am like most pirate's, if I like something I buy it. I have a collection of 400 blu-rays and plenty of 3d ones. I generally only download books, audiobooks, and movies anyways.

If I like a book I buy it as well. I read a lot so I actually do read the same book plenty of times.

The thought of piracy being illegal is crazy. Fine make it illegal, most people that download wouldn't by anything out of spite. If they do make piracy illegal I would make a bet they will make less every year.

Do you know how many indie movies I find online or how many movies that I have never heard that I watch and buy because of downloading? Lots. The only reason the want acts like SOPA is because they want all the control. They want to control all the adds and everything we see online. They want to monopolize the Internet, and everyone that is for making piracy impossible are standing up for companies owning the Internet.

That is crap. The Internet is meant to be free. Piracy is the way of the future, everything will be distributed and able to copy. People will still make money off of it, but it's the future. Get used to it... And learn definitions of words before using them rather than repeating the billionaires rhetoric.

Pred...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999

Originally posted by mileysubet
reply to post by SethGecko
 


So if I follow your logic; it is ok to Steal something you don't like (which is completely subjective) but not something you do like?

I am always amused at the way people try to justify theft (piracy) of any product.


Well said. It amazes me how people try to justify theft, simply because it 'appears' harmless from their end.
I often wonder if these people would mind computer programmers, musicians, and movie directors slipping into their houses while they're not at home and stealing their jewelry and electronics...
I bet they'd be on the phone to the police in no time at all lol!!


I wasted 4 years in college to become a programmer. If the industry/corperations wont hire me and still tell the lie that they need more programmers in my country to keep the wage down then I'll steal all I want from them. After trying for a hundred jobs where they say you need more experiance to get a job but not getting hired to get the experiance I got fed up and got other jobs not in programming. My best friend is in the same situation and have the same deegree with no contacts. I have 4 years of wage that I will not make in my life and my salery is not very high because of their lies. If they would not have lied I could have been an engeneer instead. If the companies want to sell their stuff then they have to make sure the people can afford it and have work. The industry/corperations will never have the moral highground for me in this debate. I unfortunatly see most of them as parasites that makes mostly trash. I pay for some things on Steam because it is a good product. If a tvshow can be seen free on the net somewhere in the world then it should be free everywhere without blocking. Music I download if I want it in my car otherwise youtube. Audiobooks i download but since I have bought the book in papper and payed the writer I do not have any moral dilema from my point of view there. This parasitic system we call capitalism is the way to hell from my point of view and nothing good will ever come from the power pyramid in what ever form it takes. Stealing is wrong but economic slavery from the top is a worse crime than taking a piece of the crums that you would have gotten if the system was healthy.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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I dont think the government really cares about people who are downloading content illegally. I think they care about people who distribute it. And anyways, let them take me to court. Ill hire a really good lawyer thats threatening to counter sue the government for illegal surveillance and who can make the case that this content is all over the radio, the television, its everywhere for free. I could plug in a VCR and record it the old fashioned way if I wanted to make a free copy. Anybody that the government goes after for this is probably going to have millions and millions of people protesting outside the Supreme Court over it.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by JJRichey
I download torrents a few times a month, usually books I can't afford- I can't afford a 100$ textbook on a subject I'm interested in. Occasionally games, but if I like the game, I'll buy it. For instance, I downloaded Minecraft months ago, played it for a month, than decided to go ahead and pay the $20 to purchase it. I would never have paid the 20 bucks for it, if I had not been able to try it out first. Keep in mind that I make 9$ and hour and am only working part time right now. Do I download music? Yes, usually off of youtube by using a downloader program to download the MP3 file. Artist barely make anything off of selling the music anyways, most is made through merchandising, concerts and commercial work. TV shows....I watch netflix anyways.

*guess I should go ahead and change my heading and avatar...
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The programnmer of minecraft Notch said in an interview if you can't afford it take it and pay when you can afford it. Seems they don't like SOPA either. notch.tumblr.com...

Mojang Has Never Supported SOPA
Looks to Internet Community & Fellow Tech Leaders to Destroy Legislation We All Hate

STOCKHOLM, Sweden. (Dec. 23, 2011) - Mojang has never supported SOPA, the “Stop Online Piracy Act” currently working its way through U.S. Congress.

“Overzealous and vaguely formulated attempts to fight online piracy is of the scariest developments in online policies in recent times, which is why Mojang has been working to help destroy this legislation - but we can clearly do better,” Markus Persson, Mojang’s newly appointed Vacation Expert, said. “It’s very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Mojang will support all efforts to make sure information stays free.”

Mojang and its General Counsel, Oxeye Games, have not in any way worked with federal lawmakers for months to help craft revisions to legislation first introduced some three years ago. As a non-US company, Mojang doesn’t really have any big say about US internal politics, but Persson says he concerned that this law and similar ones will affect their ability to successfully do business online. It is of utmost importance that laws like these are not allowed to affect free speech.

“As a company that is all about innovation, with our own technology and in support of our customers, Mojang is rooted in the idea of free speech and believes 100 percent that the Internet is a key engine for our new economy,” said Persson.

In no changing its position, Mojang remains steadfast in its promise to support security and stability of the Internet. In an effort to eliminate any confusion about its decision not to reverse on SOPA though, Persson has tweeted a silly image of himself in a santa hat.

“Mojang has always fought to preserve free speech and the freedom of information, and will continue to do so in the future,” Jones said. I mean Persson. Not Jones.

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by SethGecko

Stop using a public tracker for one, get yourself access to a private site. I've had no troubles in the past and i've been using this private tracker for years now (very hard to get an invite to the tracker).


can't you throw fellow ats members an invite.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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You broke WPA in 10 minutes? Really?

Did you have your own password in your wordlist????





posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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the only person getting screwed when you download movies and music are the big wigs at the companies...THAT's IT!

I work in TV and by the time an episode is airing, or a film is shown at the movies, or an album is released on itunes, everybody has been paid. The show I work on can get downloaded all day long and I will always receive my paycheck, it doesn't matter.

Indie bands probably get it worse, they need the money from actual album sales but that's why most people release free downloads these days. they make more money touring. As for major label artists, they already got paid. That's what an album advance is, they expect you to make a million bucks and they give the band a million bucks. #ty thing is its more like a loan and if you only sell 100,000, well you now owe some major cash!



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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older screenshot of my bandwidth logs: cito.allmysh-t.com...

I've torrented since 2002 non stop heck I'm torrenting now about 20 gigs worth of stuff.


course I use remote seedboxes and I also use VPN, and of course I work for my ISP lulz

so yea... the ISP i work for also hosts a 5 TB fileserver employees can FTP to and download crap other's have put.

and we toss cease and desist letters in trash that 3rd parties want us to send our customers.


we will only comply with a court order, but we toss dmca's in trash or request for customer IP information get ignored.


we've only had 1 time where records were subpoenaed and it was over child porn a guy had on his website in zip files.


anyhow...yea ignore cable companies, start using DSL companies and those that offer DSL2PLUS service for 24 megabit. Most DSL companies aren't strict at all. And my company especially since I work for it I can speak from experience, like I said we have our own internal seedbox and torrent tracker for employees.

and the 3 ISP's I have worked for all have the same.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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reply to post by demoncleaner
 


All criminals should fear the law or else the law is meaningless.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by demoncleaner
 


All criminals should fear the law or else the law is meaningless.


Really? Just so we are clear ....people who download torrents are NOT criminals.

What if the law is unjust or unethical or just simply corrupt?

......as most laws created are corrupt laws which should not be feared but instead overturned
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Outside of some anime fansubs I don't believe I've ever downloaded or torrented a pirated film ever. Never with games either. Now productivity apps for creating media and are ridiculously priced towards commercial use - no comment. Not that it justifies anything but I don't use these products commercially - strictly for hobby.

Now music on the other hand... It depends really. I pay for most all of my music these days. The ones I don't are ones that I can't get digitally through Amazon or iTune - always willing to pay if it's available and I like it. But I also prefer to buy tracks individually. I refuse to have to buy an entire album for one or two tracks. So if the artist breaks Wil Wheaton's "Don't Be A Dick" rule by doing something asinine like either making the one popular song only available if you purchase the entire CD (see the Lost Boys soundtrack) or forcing the purchase of the entire CD instead of allowing individual tracks to be purchased (I'm looking at you Pink Floyd) then I'll be happy to grab the song off a torrent or rip from YouTube. The other thing that pisses me off are overpriced imports. I'm not gonna pay $50 for 8 tracks of music I don't care who you are - not in this day and age of digital music. The only time I buy entire albums are by bands I really like. And even then I'll look at the number of songs on the album I like. If the cost of buying those individually are greater than the cost of the album, I'll suck it up and buy the whole album.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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btw downloading movies/music/ebooks classified as "Illegal" in the united states

is 100% legal in switzerland

torrentfreak.com...



One in three people in Switzerland download unauthorized music, movies and games from the Internet and since last year the government has been wondering what to do about it. This week their response was published and it was crystal clear. Not only will downloading for personal use stay completely legal ...

click link for full article.



in Switzerland all piracy for PERSONAL USE is 100% legal...

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by mileysubet
reply to post by SethGecko
 


So if I follow your logic; it is ok to Steal something you don't like (which is completely subjective) but not something you do like?

I am always amused at the way people try to justify theft (piracy) of any product.



‎"Switzerland’s findings are just the latest in a series of reports showing that the downloading of music and movies is far less harmful than the entertainment industry would have us believe. In July Douglas C. Merrill, formerly of Google and then EMI, one of the three main record labels, said in a keynote address that his research while at EMI showed that users of torrenting service LimeWire were among the best customers in the iTunes music store. Around the same time, Telepolis published a report (Google Translation) stating that users of the recently raided kino.to website tended to pay more at the box office than the average moviegoer. Meanwhile, another study conducted by Northwestern University (PDF) showed that users of peer-to-peer client software – i.e., BitTorrent users – bring in a substantial amount of money for the large ISPs. "

People who download more are exposed to more, and therefore become fans of more and go out and BUY more. It's ok to download music, as long as you buy from the artists that you do like, because if it wasn't for the internet, you would have never been exposed to them and therefore they wouldn't have your money to begin with, so how can downloading take away from something that never would have been there in the first place?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by mileysubet
reply to post by SethGecko
 


So if I follow your logic; it is ok to Steal something you don't like (which is completely subjective) but not something you do like?

I am always amused at the way people try to justify theft (piracy) of any product.


Are you forced to buy a car without looking at it, driving it etc? Should you just take the sale? person advive that the car is great and just what you need/want?

If we are paying basically for the use of a product, whether it is a song or computer game etc, if we decide we do not like it then we do not use it. If we like it then we use it, and buy it. A developer would be smart to make one want to buy and not just download, like having online access and other bonuses that downloading would not have.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Gotcha.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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pmsl!!!!! come on we have known for YEARS that the ISP's can track P2P networking and torrents that is why i download from rapidshare and alas megaupload (well used to!!) as its far more harder to track and to dertimine what is being downloaded its simple if you have the knowledge to download illigaly then at least do it properlly



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