Just found out a family friend was Abducted by aliens and had her baby taken!?!

reply to post by SweetSomnia


Yes, I believe Stan is convinced that he has 7 or so hybrid children.

I heard him at a conference nearby one year and talked to him a bit, IIRC.

He mentions it in his books. I don't know where it is on his site. It's been a while since I've navigated his site much at all.

You should be able to search his site.

I do recall that one of his hybrid daughters brought some flowers to him and his wife once and left them in the snowy drive way. I think this is the same one that was photographed though somewhat poorly a time or two.

Yes, I agree, the amount of and variety of information and the variety of multiperson confirmation and shared witnessing of the events in Stan's life . . . really incredible.

There's even a Men-In-Black disabaling his truck in a fast food drive-up lane.

Then there's the paint on his siding that was altered by a UFO and that "construction specialists" from a company name painted on the side of their van that did not exist . . . purportedly ordered by the landlord--that the landlord didn't have anything to do with--came and removed & replaced the siding that the UFO had altered--and Stan has photos of such and did manage to secret away a portion of the siding that I saw with my own eyes at a conference.
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reply to post by ChaoticOrder

That's simple - the person does not remember what happened to them, the memories are suppressed and hidden deep within the persons mind - therefore when they regain normal consciousness it seems as though they are missing a gap of time. Not hard to work out really.

True I was referring more to the science of it I guess. Because I have a feeling these entities are not of our physical plane or what we understand it to be. Heck i can try and wrap my head around where they come from and still find myself back to square one. One thing is for sure, they do not necessarily want to be known in the grand scheme of things as well as the governments of the world. This tells me what they know is not "good news" at least would not bode well with the masses.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier

One thing is for sure, they do not necessarily want to be known in the grand scheme of things as well as the governments of the world. This tells me what they know is not "good news" at least would not bode well with the masses.

I think that's a VERY SHARP INSIGHT.

Certainly they don't want premature anythings mucking up their longer range plans.

And the most logical thing is that the masses WOULD MUCK THINGS UP because we prefer to live long and prosper vs

be trashed in a genocidal population reduction scheme fostered by the UFO critters

or end up some critters lunch or dinner . . .

or slavishly polishing lizard toilets etc.

etc. etc.

Were you born yesterday?

Face facts... she found out that it was disabled/retarded so she held it under the bath water then buried it in the back yard near where she keeps her trash bins.

reply to post by ballisticmousse


Oh my God!

What in the world are you on about?!

You are sick, man...

Jeez, that was uncalled for.

Originally posted by ballisticmousse
Were you born yesterday?

Face facts... she found out that it was disabled/retarded so she held it under the bath water then buried it in the back yard near where she keeps her trash bins.

I can only assume that was an attempt at humour, not a very good one.

Do not give up your day job as you would starve as a comedian

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by PopSecretMission

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by dilly1

 

I'm not sure if I've understood this post correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying that a belief in the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is delusional? Or were you specifically referring specifically to stories of their interactions with earth - abductions, etc.? You didn't articulate yourself clearly.

If its the former, you're very, very wrong. It is delusional to rule out the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in this unfathomably varied and massive universe. Such a mentality reflects an unwarranted sense of arrogance with regards to the human race.

If its the latter, you should maintain more of an open mind and get off your high horse. You're in no position to make such strong claims. Those were some malicious comments you made at the end of your post, they were both totally unnecessary and baseless.

I didn't read your earlier post and just noticed that someone else said you needed to get off your high horse - wow, what a coincidence.

If you understood how difficult it is ,for any Being, to travel in massive-hostile space you wouldn't care if intelligent life existed elsewhere .


With the fastest man made object ,Voyager probe,traveling just over 100,000mhp, will eventually arrive to the nearest star outside our solar system; in the next 50,000 freakin years. Even radio frequency is affected over time by the vicious pull of gravity. We don't even know what gravity is exactly. And you, like all, are hoping some Being figures it out ;while we happen to be the naïve HOST. Lol


Last time I checked the OP's topic is based on the possibility of alien abduction. If anyone of you really new how dam hard and impossible it is to travel in space,not orbit, you wouldn't give a hoot about ET harassing pregnant women.


I'm still riding

You are basing all of your scientific limitations on what WE have so far acheived. If there are other races out there (and I believe there are) then, certainly there can be atleast SOME of them much older than us. And being older than us, they would have had more time to learn about science and space and physics and spacetravel, etc. Plus, as I believe has already been mentioned, there are things like wormholes to consider. Steven Hawking suggests that extra-terrestrial beings could create their own wormholes by projecting solar energy to a specific point in space and that by using this they could travel great distances without it taking a bazillion years. If a human with the highest I.Q. on Earth can think up an idea like that, then surely a more advanced and much older civilization from another planet could surely put that idea into action. And, are you forgetting that our human/Earth space program is only a few decades old? Do you really think that that could put us at the pinnacle of all possible spacetravel acheivment?!

That's right ,,,, You believe. Why do you believe? Its definitely not based on facts. Oh that's right: "because there are so many trillions of blue planets out there". Here we go again another ufoer hoping fictional ET is lights years ahead of us. You're on a role bud.

You are right worm holes do exist. They exist in the quantum level though. Anything in the micro particle world is impossible to work in the macro world. I guess Stevie boy forgot to mention that.I suggest you stop listening to scientist on network tv. Humans didn't think of wormholes! We discovered them.

Understand just because you incorrectly mistaken yourself in assuming we think of stuff that doesnt give credibility that other beings are ahead in a fictional space race. Lol,,, you sound like a religious person. Completely delusional.

And did you forget our human/earth space program has hit a wall ,,, oh about 30+ years ago. We can't leave our orbit. You're living a lie if you think we can do better than the apollo missions.

Space travel is impossible. Accept it

You are the biggist, most illogical and infuriating idiot on the whole planet!!! I am NOT wasting any more of my time and energy on the likes of you. You cannot even make a single reply to ANYONE without using an insult. And to top it all off, you aren't even correct about the things that you say! And, furthermore you aren't even right about where I get my scientific information. Space travel, is a fact! Deal with that!!

I am done with you, you plague!

OK so I had a chat with my Mum earlier today to try and get some more details and ask if she would ask Sue some questions.

Unfortunately she isnt prepared to bring it up, apart from the few months after it occured they have never spoken about it and even then when she did it was quite distressing for her.
I tried the whole "but this could be good for her to get off her chest and understand that others have been through similar things" but Mum was firm.

What I found out though was inbetween her last child and the abduction (10 year gap) she had 4 miscarriages but all of them were apparently normal and accompanied by heavy bleeding between the 2 and 4 month mark.

She attended a group session for victims of abductions but only went once as she thought most of the people who were there were lying about their experience.

She never mentioned being abducted as a child and only told Mum of the 3 times.

Every time it happened she was absolutely terrified, they never told her what or why it was happening or communicated with her in anyway. In one encounter she remembers hearing her husbands voice talking like he was in a conversation but didnt hear him talking to anyone. She tried to scream to him for help but she couldnt make any noise.

The husband had 3 scrap books with drawings, whenever he felt a headache coming on he would shut himself off and sit down sometimes for hours and just draw. Mum only saw one and she described it as just being full of scribble and wavy lines. Im certain she didnt see the same book I did.

Unfortunately this is where the trail ends, Mum doesnt know anymore technical details as at the time she didnt ask but she said she now wished she had of asked more, hopefully bringing it up with me and us talking about it has maybe made her curious enough that she does bring it up next time she speaks to her.
The last time she had contact with Sue was several months ago and they dont speak as often now she has moved away.

reply to post by PopSecretMission


Hey dude,

No need to stress or get worked up about that one.

Checked his posts on other threads and its all the same, just patronising insults without any substance to his claims.
The icing on the cake though was when he told an OP
"Great thread, just ignore anyone who doesnt agree with you"

I think that right there tells us all we need to know about him

History will prove the likes of him wrong as it does with all people who make such absolute statements.

Thanks for your contributions and ur patience

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by PopSecretMission

 

You might want to check out the movie, Communion.

I just took the time to watch this movie because you made it sound really interesting. I'm going to try and track down a copy of Whitley Streiber's autobiography, I imagine it would contain much more information that they left out of the movie. Even so, you could easily tell that the movie was based on a real abduction account.

- it's something that started in his childhood
- his son is also abducted and aware of it
- at one point he remembers seeing an owl
- there is some mention of taken babies
- they show him images of the world ending

Very fascinating movie.

edit: you know the only thing that was new to me - those ugly little troll guys... I mean wtf were they supposed to be? I don't recall ever hearing about such beings in all the cases I've examined. Any idea what they were supposed to be or supposed to represent?

edit on 26-1-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

No. I have no idea. I've never heard about any such aliens before, either. I just remember that little boy kept calling them "the little blue doctors". Never looked them up, hmmm, but then again, what would I look under if I wanted to?

One thing that strikes me funny about different alien races is clothing. I know this is a little off topic, but....like those tall thin ones are always naked, but then those little short ones have on robes or something. I even saw some drawings on TV of different alien races that have been seen by us, and one of them looked like one of the tall thin aliens, but was wearing what appeared to be a sweater. ....oddly enough, still no pants. How very loony toons :-)


Another thing about the movie: It's been a while since I've seen it, but when Whitley is in his room the night he is abducted, they show the aliens hiding in his room. I remember the one that was hiding behind the door, but I can't remember where else they were hiding. Anyway, I got the thinking, though,.....maybe this is where the "monsters in the closet" stuff comes from. Certainly, kids always want to check behind the door to make sure there are no monsters there. I can't remember where else it showed them hide in the movie, though, like I pointed out, so I can't be certain if the other spots were places kids worry about monsters hiding. My theory is that we have all been abducted in some incarnation or another and so, this is a memory we all share. And since the abductions start during childhood, it makes sense. Whether they mean us harm or not, seeing some being/creature/person hiding in your room in the dark and taking you away from your parents and the safety and sanctity of your bed must be terrifying! Maybe that common fear comes from this happening to us (possibly even in multiple lives) and the experience leaving a mark, deep in our psyche.

And, p.s. - I don't think they want to harm us. Or even if some do, I don't think it's all of them. Even if their methodologies might leave something to be desired.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


Thanks tons for your meaty reply.

Seems to me all we have left is prayer.

I'm going to pray that the woman concerned will contact your mom or you . . . and SEEK to explore it as a redemptive way to lay it to rest.

Guy Malone insists that abductions only occur with folks who have dabbled in the occult in some way--as a kind of spiritual open door that 'spiritually legally' allows the critters to so afflict an individual.

I wonder if your Mom would be interested in asking the friend--nonchalantly as possible--the next time she happens to talk with her . . . if the woman had any experiences such as . . .

then list about 10 or so most common occult dabblings, including horoscope reading.

Another alternative might be to put an attractive, inoffensive, safe, curiosity generating signature about the topic on the bottom of your email and email her if you could get her email.

Anyway--other than that, I'm out of options on the case, too. LOL.

Thanks for your efforts.

reply to post by PopSecretMission


IIRC, the short blue ones are a small minority of cases--a very small minority.

There may be others with bluish casts to their skin or skin tight clothing but I don't think there are many with deeply blue skin.

Don't know what it means.

Originally posted by dilly1

Your family needs help. Mental help. If they and like yourself would really be objective and understand how freakin violent and difficult it is to travel in space; you wouldn't be drinking the koolaid.

And knowing planes quite well or even if they lived in a military base doesn't make one an expert. No one is an expert with ufo's; only the human that design that specific craft is the expert . that designer would not see the craft as a UFO,but a FO.... Your friends and family are not aeronautical space engineers.

The story being shared is nothing but a story and should never be taken seriously because there is no proof to prove it . Eyewitness accounts,video and pictures are all in the same boat. They all can be fabricated.

Yes,,I have many time seen things I could not identify. And?? So what?? That doesn't mean I allow my imagination to get the best of me. Which is exactly what is happening here on this thread and all over this forum. If you allow your imagination take control of your logic you will be a freakin "head case". Okay!

I didn't attack the OP. I am stating logic ,,,reality. The alien option comes from the imagination.

Ps- is that the "beastmaster" holding a rifle?

So you go from insulting the OP to insulting me for pointing it out, or for sharing information that you prefer to ignore. Are you TRYING to destroy your own credibility?

One, I did NOT say that I thought these were beings from some other planet. if you actually read the post, or anything else I have posted on this topic, you would know that this is NOT what I believe.

Two, you keep talking about this "violent" space, as though you know more than anyone else. Newsflash; you don't. We have had a space program for ages. I watched the original moon landing on television. Was young, but I remember it. We have had people in space, and have had MANY probes even farther. Is it easy? No, but it isn't nearly as bad as you try to make it seem. Have you even been to NASA? When the space shuttle first came out, I watched the Enterprise flying into Kelly AFB. As a AFJROTC student, I studied aeronautics, and we had a TON of detailed info on those craft. Even behind the scenes stuff at NASA that most never see. You seen to forget that we HAVE traveled in space. That people have lived there (and some do now) in space stations. Don't even try talking about objectivity, either, as you clearly have none. No opinion but yours can be considered, in your eyes. All others are met with derision.

Knowing planes quite well DOES make one an expert on PLANES. meaning, as I stated, that this person can easily identify most military aircraft, and that they have a good idea of what is possible, even if secret, and what should not be, given acknowledged technology. THAT is what I stated. I didn't claim, at any point, that this person was a UFO expert. Read what I actually said. Plus, you have NO IDEA what anyone in my family does for a living, or what training or education they have, so don't be presumptuous. People with some education in aircraft can say what UFO could be a potential test craft, and what is too different to believe it is that. If you can't accept this, that's your issue.

The disdain you have for evidence is beyond any logic. What proof do you want, if you reject ALL that there is? Videos, pictures, eyewitness accounts - all these are good in a court of law, if there is no reason to think they are faked. There is evidence they can't say is faked, and that they can't explain. Does that mean visitors from other worlds? No, not necessarily. It does, though, mean there are things we don't know, and it isn't unreasonable to look for possible explanations. If you don't like beings from other worlds, then offer some other reasonable explanation. Actually contribute to the thread, instead of insulting everyone else for doing so.

If you saw things you can't explain, what did you do? A logical person looks for explanations, even if those seem unlikely. Imagination is part of this. That isn't a bad thing, either. Ever read a novel? Watch a movie? Play a video game? Those things require imagination. Yes, we should look for proof. Yes, we should rule out the more mundane possibilities first. That doesn't mean closing the door on anything else, though. What do you do when none of the mundane explanations work? Simply quit?

Yes, it is attacking people to call them crazy, head cases, etc., simply because they believe things that you don't. Disagree all you like, but with a bit of respect. With alternative ideas. Defend those ideas, do research into them, make your point.

And yes, that is Marc Singer, the "beastmaster". That's from "V", the original miniseries. He played one of the main characters. Whether you believe in aliens or not, pretty entertaining stuff. Two parts, the main one, and a final chapter. Both available on DVD.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


I'm sorry man but without proof this is just a story to me.There's lots of explanations that have already been pointed out in this thread so I don't need to rehash them...All I'm going to say is don't believe everything you hear.And this is coming from someone who believes in the alien abduction phenomenon.

Originally posted by dilly1
Thank you for the grammar lesson on "there".

When I say "need new physics", I meant discover and explore . Not create. You are just doing your best to discredit me. Which is fine. I state how dam difficult it is to travel in hostile space and you start to worry your fantasy of aliens really existing becomes moot.

Our knowledge is not, anymore, being adjusted. If you haven't noticed we are creating more an more theories by the week. Until we find a way to travel past our moon we will not , not ever, discover anything new. There is so much a telescope can discover.

We need new physics. Period!

I do have all the data. You choose to ignore my data because you are not reading it on Natgeo or the Science Channel sites. Which is again fine.

YW. Common error. I blame the schools.

Alright, discover and explore is good. No, not trying to discredit; trying to offer logic and other possibilities. I don't have some "fantasy" on beings from other planets to threaten. Check my other posts, and see what I think on that topic. Space travel isn't needed for my theories. Check out Vallee, and what he thinks for an idea. No, I didn't base mine on his, but he's on the right track.

Define, if you will, what you mean by "hostile space". Specifics, please, so that we can know what it is you mean. Everyone knows space travel isn't easy, and comes with dangers, but you seem to mean more than that. It's difficult to discuss this without more details.

Of course our knowledge is being adjusted! That is the reason they are creating new theories all the time; because new knowledge makes the old ones not work, or to at least need adjustments.

We probably could travel past the moon. If we can keep people on a space station for as long as we can, we could send them further. Cost is one reason we haven't, and wanting to collect more data beforehand is another. After all, we want to know about the place we might send people, so that they have the best chance of returning. We already have discovered much past the moon, though, with the many space probes. There is a wealth of information out there on this. Much speculation, too, on it, from many sources.

Sure, we need a better understanding of physics. Or at least a release of data being held back. Do you think the governments release everything they learn to the people in general? Much would be withheld for use in secret programs, weapons systems, surveillance methods, etc.

No one is ignoring your data. You haven't really shared any, that I have seen. Post some links, some information. Happy to look at it. Would not be much point to these forums if we were not willing to explore other possibilities, would there? For the record, I almost never visit either of those sites.

So, looking for your theories on these stories. Assuming they are not all made up, or all mental issues, do you have an alternative theory to offer? Share with us.

reply to post by nightstalker78


I never claimed it was true or any kind of proof, As Ive stated many times throughout the thread Im just relating what was told to me.

Personally Im inclined to believe this is a true account due to the fact that I know the people and know them as quite grounded people.

Believe it or think its all lies, either way it makes no difference to me.
I only put it out there as I thought it would be of interest to people.

Out of curiousity what would constitute proof to you?
You say you believe in abduction theory but believe this to be just a story, mind if I ask what about this seems fishy? Im asking because I am genuinely curious, I havent personally looked into the phenomena much but found this story to be quite convincing

reply to post by BO XIAN


Lots of data there, many thanks! Will have to check out the other thread as well. Quite an interesting topic, no matter where we stand on the issues. Personally, I believe that comparing notes, tossing around the different theories, etc, can lead to answers. Our own little brainstorming session. I have some pretty strong ideas on this stuff, but even if those were right, there is so much methodology to explain. Think I will have to do some serious study into some of the newer scientific areas. Hope I don't slip a gear, lol!

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by PopSecretMission

 

Hey dude,

No need to stress or get worked up about that one.

Checked his posts on other threads and its all the same, just patronising insults without any substance to his claims.
The icing on the cake though was when he told an OP
"Great thread, just ignore anyone who doesnt agree with you"

I think that right there tells us all we need to know about him

History will prove the likes of him wrong as it does with all people who make such absolute statements.

Thanks for your contributions and ur patience

No problem! And, thank-YOU for not chewing me out about going off on Dilly1

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
*snip*
What I found out though was inbetween her last child and the abduction (10 year gap) she had 4 miscarriages but all of them were apparently normal and accompanied by heavy bleeding between the 2 and 4 month mark.
*snip*

So, from that, in this particular case there was supposed to have been no bleeding? That would be very odd, indeed. Really, impossible with an actual miscarriage. I was going to ask people that have studied this if, in these cases, there was any bleeding, as one would expect. Even after a normal delivery, that can last for weeks, so none, with a proven baby (as in ultrasound) would be highly odd.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by nightstalker78

 

I never claimed it was true or any kind of proof, As Ive stated many times throughout the thread Im just relating what was told to me.

Personally Im inclined to believe this is a true account due to the fact that I know the people and know them as quite grounded people.

Believe it or think its all lies, either way it makes no difference to me.
I only put it out there as I thought it would be of interest to people.

Out of curiousity what would constitute proof to you?
You say you believe in abduction theory but believe this to be just a story, mind if I ask what about this seems fishy? Im asking because I am genuinely curious, I havent personally looked into the phenomena much but found this story to be quite convincing

I realize you were relating a story.And I give you props for sharing it as it is interesting..But you've got to realize posting something like this is going to be recieved with doubt.You say you know these people as 'grounded'(and I believe you) but really do you?Or are you caught up in wanting to believe this happened because you heard it from your mother?You stated yourself she wouldn't lie to you.Fact : family members lie all the time man whether we want to believe they do or not.

As far as proof...think of it like this.I could tell you that my 4 year old was abducted last night.Tucked her into bed she was fine.Woke up this morning and she's standing in the hall way telling me 'daddy they came again'..would you take my word for it?Probably not.

I believe that we're being abducted.I just can't buy into the whole 'stealing fetuses" thing.It doesn't make sense to me.There's absolutely no reason a superior being would want to mate with a human.After all would you want to mate with an inferior race? Travel light years to do it? Think about it.