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reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 08:16 PM by Harte
Originally posted by LightAssassin
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No online translation that I'm aware of.

I wouldn't expect them to know the inner workings of the technology, just the bit's and pieces that the 'Gods' allowed them to observe.


I think that the above doesn't fit in to the mythos, since texts like the Mahabharata credit the invention of the vimana to the "clever Greeks."

Your linked source describes how the thing is built, describes putting mercury in a vessel. How could putting mercury in a vessel cause energy output?

No, I believe Vimanas were not only flown by gods, but by men as well, according to the myths.

Harte


reply posted on 12-2-2012 @ 08:10 PM by blocula
reply to post by jaketyson85

The earth is a higher conscious being whos trying to communicate to us,trying to tell us something,its showing us messages in the shape and form of intricate,elaborate,massive geometric crop circles that would be impossible to make by humans on the ground and the earth may be saying..."what are you doing to me? I will live on,but your extinction is imminent"

Would'nt it be mind blowing to find out that crop circles started appearing to the dinosaurs a few years before the yucatan doomsday asteroid struck...

We should have secret code makers,code breakers,crypto analysts and other such experts working on these crop circles night and day,just like countries had during WW-2,trying to figure out the crop circles messages and meanings "break their codes" and along with the help of modern computers theres no reason why we shouldnt be doing this...
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reply posted on 17-2-2012 @ 09:04 PM by blocula
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What i think the return message is saying is that they have inhabited the 3rd,4th and 5th planets out from whichever star that is and the 5th planet out has 4 moons and we should have put a little circle next to our earth circle to show that we have a single moon,why did'nt we do that?
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reply posted on 21-2-2012 @ 12:02 AM by Talon22
reply to post by VoidHawk



This looks visually great. As much as I would like to think this is a "reply" from extraterrestrials I just can't. I think the simplest answer is most likely the most realistic. A lot of clever people like to make interesting patterns in fields, just to see how much interest it generates on sites like this one. Remember it only really needs one or two scientifically bright people to come up with the pattern design, you don't need a whole team of Phd's running around in a field in the middle of the night with their planks and bits of string. Or ground corrected GPS units.

I have to wonder about the following:

If it's an alien reply that was made instantaneously by some marvellous device, why were'nt the patterns all made at the same time.

Why wasn't any reply just sent back to Arecibo on the same radio frequency.

And the big one:

Why, if they have such amazing technology aren't these complex patterns appearing on clouds all over the planet. The same pictograms in glorious colour, kilometers across.

I think the answer to the last question is:

Because it's easy for anyone that really has a mind to draw complex patterns in feilds to get a team together and do it. Projecting the same complex images on clouds kilometers across is way beyond any smart uni students with a sense of humour and an interest in ET.

Of course for any ET's wishing to send a "reply", or any other deep meaningful message for mankind, producing these huge colour images on clouds would be a peice of cake.

Then of course there's the target star system, 20 odd thousand light years away, the signal has been travelling how long? 20 something years, it's still over 20,000 years from getting anywhere near it, not to mention when it does eventually get to that point in space the target star system will be gone, the universe is in constant motion, the target star system will be in a completely different location.

As far as the signal being heard by anyone or anything inbetween us and the target star system goes, it was a pretty narrow beam, I doubt it.

As far as not thinking too much about the crop patterns goes, I don't quite get it, if the crop patterns are man made, just for fun, what's the point of spending time trying to figure out what they're trying to say. Just put a line through the crop patterns, then you can forget all about it. And save yourself a headache.

Remember Occam's razor gentlemen.

So, sorry guys, my opinon for what it's worth, nothing whatsoever to do with ET.
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reply posted on 21-2-2012 @ 01:45 AM by Fragment
reply to post by VoidHawk



I figure I should reply to the OP regarding anything other than crop circles, else he may explode.

Are you suggesting that humans and aliens, although having a different genetic makeup (I don't understand DNA properly either), are related or of the same family/genus/possibility for hybrids?

Also, does the supposed alien DNA give them the biological makeup to be able to exist on other planets in our solar system?

I don't know why, but I generally assumed aliens wouldn't be physical, or at least as dense as humans. I always imagined them to be conscious ether with a rapid vibration that gave the illusion that they were just light.

I hope this has met the OP's expectation. I did read it all..


reply posted on 23-2-2012 @ 08:24 PM by VoidHawk
Originally posted by Fragment
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I hope this has met the OP's expectation. I did read it all..


My purpose for the post was to suggest that Carl Sagan may have known something, also I wanted confirmation on the dna. I had assumed that most people would have already seen the crop pics and I included them mainly to show how I arrived at my question.

I live and learn and any future threads will be prepared more carefully.

No I wont explode.


reply posted on 6-3-2012 @ 12:51 AM by LAZers
Originally posted by ZeskoWhirligan
Well, strangely enough, Carl Sagan thought the most likely means of Contact would be aliens sending our own radio transmissions back to us.

Which is eminently probable. See, aliens could spend CENTURIES trying to decode our radio and television transmissions and learn our languages... OR.... They could simply take our signals and send them back to Earth.

I mean, we would KNOW something was odd if original televised episodes of I Love Lucy from 1951 started raining down on Earth right about now, eh? The aliens wouldn't have to send a specific message at all. All we have to do is calculate half of 61 years, the round trip of a radio wave, and we will know that SOMEBODY about 30 light years away is trying to get our attention.

That would probably be in the vicinity of Vega, some 25 Light Years away.

We will thus know the aliens have something approximating radio-television technology, as well as a grasp of astronomy, inasmuch as they knew which direction to transmit the return signal.

There may be millions of other, closer civilizations that have NOT developed radio technology, of course.

But here's something to think about...

Most of the signals we sent into space from the beginning of Radio up to about six years ago were analog signals, okay? We are COMPLETELY switching over to digital transmissions now. We all had to get new televisions, right? Or at least get digital converters for our old analog televisions.

But WHY did we switch over from analog to digital?

Cleaner signal? Better resolution? Government control of ALL communications?

Or do they not want us watching analog television because there are OLD ANALOG SIGNALS returning to Earth from other civilizations?




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25 pages in and this was the most compelling post imho. Brings up a great point. And the fact that you mentioned Vega really excites me if this was, in fact, the destination our communications have reached. However, if Vega did intercept our message, with prior knowledge of the planet, why wouldn't they give us something WAY more important back. Especially considering science is now contemplating that our solar system is actually spiraling right towards the planet Vega.


reply posted on 6-3-2012 @ 01:16 AM by LAZers
Originally posted by LightAssassin
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post by Harte



Well now I understand why you are hell bent, with the red mist blinding your eyes, on debunking, and your post to star ratio shows it.

There are people who lie. Not Von Daniken. He poses questions. David Childress seems to be the liar. We've been through this before.

Sitchin isn't necessarily a liar either. Neither is Sagan.

There are certain uncertainties. The Vimana's and the description of their design (including the use of Mercury) in ANCIENT Sanskrit texts. Ezekiels chariot. Some of the Mesoamerican statues of men in what seem to be rockets, and other art that has replicated modern, or even advanced, technology. Also, The strange data supplied in 'some' crop circles. The Sumerian/Babylonian creation tale.

Then there are uncertain uncertainties like David Childress' quote of the mahabharata....and the 'incandescent column of smoke and fire'.

I respect the fact you are on a mission. Just ensure you keep an open mind.


If it wasn't for Sitchin I would have never really questioned things and furthered my quest for knowledge. And as far as the Vimanas where did you first stumble on such "tales" for lack of a better term?


reply posted on 6-3-2012 @ 12:05 PM by Harte
Originally posted by LAZers
Originally posted by LightAssassin
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post by Harte



Well now I understand why you are hell bent, with the red mist blinding your eyes, on debunking, and your post to star ratio shows it.

There are people who lie. Not Von Daniken. He poses questions. David Childress seems to be the liar. We've been through this before.

Sitchin isn't necessarily a liar either. Neither is Sagan.

There are certain uncertainties. The Vimana's and the description of their design (including the use of Mercury) in ANCIENT Sanskrit texts. Ezekiels chariot. Some of the Mesoamerican statues of men in what seem to be rockets, and other art that has replicated modern, or even advanced, technology. Also, The strange data supplied in 'some' crop circles. The Sumerian/Babylonian creation tale.

Then there are uncertain uncertainties like David Childress' quote of the mahabharata....and the 'incandescent column of smoke and fire'.

I respect the fact you are on a mission. Just ensure you keep an open mind.


If it wasn't for Sitchin I would have never really questioned things and furthered my quest for knowledge. And as far as the Vimanas where did you first stumble on such "tales" for lack of a better term?


Just like you, I first heard of them from fringe authors that (it turned out) were lying to me about it.

Harte


reply posted on 6-3-2012 @ 05:48 PM by LightAssassin
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Such tales, I heard about them from Alternative sources but have found some solace in the fact the info DOES appear as per this post, in credible texts of antiquity:

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Harte



I'll happily prove you wrong:

Link


Samarangana Sutradhara is in eighty three chapters with chapter thirty one specializing in the mechanical contrivances and Yantras, having verses 95-100 dealing with the construction of bird shaped aerial cars and verses 101-107 dealing with the Robots meant to act as guards.

i.e. Having made a wooden large bird having body very stout and well knit, in the interior or abdomen of that one mercury, one may pour down. In its lower portion the fire place having fire filled in-

i.e. mounted over or into that the man by the breeze released owing to flapping of wings twain by the energy of its mercury, taking to marvels -flies far away into the sky. Samarangana Sutradhara, GOSE, pp. 183-184).

A wooden bird in whose hollow body is placed a copper contrivance one inch long and one quarter inch high, of slender cylindrical shape in two well joined halves allowing a hole at the centre along which air passes when the bird moves creating a pleasing sound.


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Yes, but as we have discussed Harte, it is certainly not cut and dry. It's just people like Von Daniken and Childress have used lies to reinforce their beliefs. Doesn't mean there isn't truth mixed in there.
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reply posted on 7-3-2012 @ 04:31 PM by LightAssassin
reply to post by Harte



Are you referring to the bible that states you can move a mountain with faith?

I believe things like this could be done by those beings. Who knows what they were capable of? Who knows if the technology being written about is even correct? What if it was just a guess that it was mercury?

There's still so many questions....one cannot dismiss because it sounds preposterous.
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