Did Carl Sagan know something?

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posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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I like to think I have an open mind so always listen to those who are also open.
I agree totaly that a lot of what we see and are told is there to hide what they dont want us to know. I'm prepared to take on board that the circles are used for hiding the truth, I'm also 95% certain that some of them were not made by ordinary folk. I'm not suggesting they were made by aliens but I'm prepared to accept they could have been. Working on another thread to cover that subject.




posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
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I like to think I have an open mind so always listen to those who are also open.
I agree totaly that a lot of what we see and are told is there to hide what they dont want us to know. I'm prepared to take on board that the circles are used for hiding the truth, I'm also 95% certain that some of them were not made by ordinary folk. I'm not suggesting they were made by aliens but I'm prepared to accept they could have been. Working on another thread to cover that subject.


Yes it is only from my own limited experience I have not found Alien involvement but I actually believe Aliens exist
Look forward to your next thread



posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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In my opinion,if threads didnt veer a little to the left and veer a little to the right,they would often too quickly burn themselves out.One of my favorite things about threads is how so many people bring together so many different ideas and seldom thought of aspects and angles of approach to form a more overall,less narrow minded understanding of any threads major points...Theres more than one piece to a puzzle...

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posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Maybe they know how skeptical human beings can be and decided that this was the best way to communicate it. Imo it would be easier to "debunk" a verbal message or a video and it would be too easy for these messages to be hidden by TPTB, but a huge, perfectly formed image? That's guaranteed to make people sit up, notice and wonder



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by DivineFem
Maybe they know how skeptical human beings can be and decided that this was the best way to communicate it. Imo it would be easier to "debunk" a verbal message or a video and it would be too easy for these messages to be hidden by TPTB, but a huge, perfectly formed image? That's guaranteed to make people sit up, notice and wonder


But, if they know how skeptical Humans can be, why choose a method of communication that is SO EASILY replicated and hoaxed by Human "artists"...? That's almost as self-defeating as aliens choosing to launch a BLOG to announce their intentions, right?



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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He didnt completely ruled out that other people may have created them he even says if not aliens than a highly organised secret organization. It seems to me you have already made up your mind before you even began to think about all things. In my opinion (OPINION) I think the Op'r was trying to say he dont know.


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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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In reply to your profanity



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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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If my hyperactive computer was a little more complying,i could post a few crop circle photos that to me,would be impossible for people on the ground to have made,but its not so i cant,but maybe someone else could?

And what about the footage i saw that shows small round silver orb or orbs,perhaps glowing and its flying over a field and seems to be creating the crop circle that appears beneath it...A pre-programmed alien drone? Or was it proved a hoax?

Who or what is trying to communicate with us? And from where and when are they doing it?
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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Don't get me wrong... I know that a certain small percentage of crop circles are the real deal — they're usually simple circles, but the vegetation is energetically deformed from within the stalks, sometimes there are tektites (microscopic meteors) at the scene, and measurable electromagnetic anomalies are recorded at "real" crop circles.

The elaborate, artsy crop circles are invariably hoaxed. Sometimes publicly and proudly hoaxed.

The Doug & Dave crop circles went out the window long ago, right. Those guys I suspect were disinformation agents who attempted to sign their names to something beyond their ken.

There have been crop circles on almost every continent, and the most credible ones (as anomalies) tend to occur where people won't see them, and without the convenient irrigation trails to hide human footprints. I mean, there are crop circles that happen in marshes where Humans can't access, and more recently there have been crop circles discovered out on iced-over lakes.

I think the "real" crop circle phenomenon is a poorly understood energy vortex phenomenon, and there's the possibility that it occurs naturally. I don't think there's any intelligence behind it at all.

There will always be those, however, who try to take credit for the sunrise and who sign their names to the tides.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi

[SNIP]
Ignore the obvious, embrace the ludicrous.

Perhaps that could be ATS's new motto?
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BAHAHA! I like it! 'Ignore the obvious, embrace the ludacris' seems to fit in perfectly with many of the topics and responses discussed here on ATS.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Aleister
A question, this post and some others I wanted to "favorite" have no favorite button. How do I go about saving a link to this thread aside from favoring it? Thanks.


Just use the favorite button of your browser while your on this page.

Or Bookmark button star or etc



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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I disagree, all it takes is planning, it's not like the makers were out there nutting it out as they go. Once the complexities are sorted out on paper beforehand, the crop circle is the easy bit.



But people with the kind of intelligence we are then talking about usually are very busy people with little play time on their hands.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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You can clearly identify the crop circles that are made by people and the ones built by UFO or alien civilizations.

Lets do something. Go to any place and try to do a crop circle like the ones I post here and take a video while you make it and upload it to youtube. There is no one in earth that can create a crop circle like this ones. It is interesting that some people say that they have built crop circles but when you see them you can clearly see that they are low quality crop circles.

Remeber this words: Most crop circles are probably fakes, there are some that are so intricate it would be almost impossible to create them with that degree of accuracy, in such a short time frame.















I don't want to tell you but this how someone build a crop circle.





posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by LightAssassin
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Sorry, four large moons, or otherwise known as the Galilean moons.

I've not read an agricultural expert dispute the node grown bends in crops. If you have something I will happily concede but really? We're growing nodes now to help make crop circles? So they've gone from planks to some sort of high tech microwave technology that causes the plant to grow?

Sometimes you need to concede that it's not black and white.


I was wondering, could something like harp program a pattern and project energy waves to create the pattern on the ground?



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by wirehead


This is exactly what I'm talking about. To get the "bearers of false gifts..." message from this, you need to decode it via ASCII.

ASCII is used by computers to encode and store text. It was invented in the 60s.


You'll notice in the original Arecibo message, no actual language is used. The mathematics of binary, as well as the numbers involved in chemistry are far more universal and stand a chance of being understood.

If you sent the aliens a message where "24" represented "A", "25" represented "B", how the hell would you expect them to ever figure that out, let alone understand the english language?

If you sent a message to an alien species, would you have the foresight to encode it in their own digital computer storage standard (which is, by definition, a completely arbitrary code), written in their own language?

GET REAL!


I guess they would have to be close enough to have been listening to our radio and TV signals long enough to learn our language.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by ZeskoWhirligan

Originally posted by LightAssassin
Agreed, but what medium would be so public but not so confronting as to interfere with the free will of the populace. Any suggestions?


By the time non-human intelligence is trying to WARN US of impending doom — using phrases such as "BEWARE" — the free will of the Human species is a moot consideration. A warning is a warning.

And why not just drop flyers over the population? A UFO flying low and dropping propaganda flyers?



Originally posted by LightAssassin
You do realise one of the crop circles has given a mathematical formula that had been previously undiscovered?


There have been other instances of fringe-theory mathematical formulae popping up in unlikely places.

Things That Fall Out Of The Sky


The July 25, 1973, edition of the Albany, New York Times Union reported the unusual case of Bob Hill. Hill, the owner of radio station WHRL of North Greenbush, New York, was taking out the station garbage at 4:15 P.M. when he noticed “twirling specks” falling from a distance higher than the station’s 300-ft. transmitter. He followed two of the white objects until they landed in a hayfield. The objects turned out to be two sets of formulas and accompanying graphs, which apparently explained “normalized extinction” and the “incomplete Davis-Greenstein orientation.” No explanation has been made public. The Davis-Greenstein mechanism is used in astrophysics.


The Davis-Greenstein papers were WAY OUT on the fringe of astrophysical theory in 1973. But were the Davis-Greenstein papers of extraterrestrial origin? Unlikely. How they happened to come fluttering down from hundreds of feet in the sky is open to conjecture. But that doesn't mean non-human intelligence was at work.

Just so, a mathematical equation appearing in a crop circle is no indication of extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence at work. We KNOW humans can and do create crop circles. We KNOW humans invented Mathematics. And there is no indication that Mathematical equations exist anywhere else in the Universe except between the ears of Human beings.

Therefore, we can safely assume that mathematical equations in a crop circle are wholly Human creations.



Originally posted by LightAssassin
Honestly, what medium would you suggest for them to contact the public wanting to know more but avoid the public not wanting to know?


Again, when the nature of the message is a WARNING, it doesn't matter who wants to know and who doesn't. When Paul Revere rode through the Massachusetts townships, shouting "The British Are Coming! Make Haste!" his message fell on the ears of both Patriots and Loyalists, okay?

When the message is a warning, there's no need to parse words — you convey a sense of urgency, and those who heed the warning will heed it.



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Maybe they are energy or air related beings from our own atmosphere, not many ways to communicate then.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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I think there might be a connection to circle crops and the face on Mars, aka alien face on Mars? Aliens on Mars.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee
Maybe they are energy or air related beings from our own atmosphere, not many ways to communicate then.


Char-Lee, you are astute.

Extrapolate



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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If aliens are capable of receiving the message, they are capable of sending a reply and if they so chose, they could have broadcasted the reply so that all television and radio signals would have picked it up...

Making a crop circle to get the message to everyone is NOT going to work.

Unless you have been expressly forbid from sending a message but a group decide to put down a flyer of sorts, much the same as any controlled blackout, you'll always get a few leaks.
I’m with the sceptics on the crop circle phenomenon but I’m just saying, things aren’t always that black and white when it comes to extraterrestrial communication protocol.



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee
I guess they would have to be close enough to have been listening to our radio and TV signals long enough to learn our language.


Yes, if that is even possible! Have you ever tried to think about the difficulty involved in translating a completely alien language?

And these "aliens" in particular would have had to have access to some of our computers, at least.





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