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Did Carl Sagan know something?

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by squiz
Plenty of circle makers have come forward. The thing is what they have to say does not really sit well with what the skeptics say. The circles are a definately mostly a human phenomena but that's not the end of the story.

Matthew Williams is a circle maker and is maybe the only circle maker to get arrested? Not sure.

He and many other circle makers have a very unique perspective. After all they are the REAL experts in the field. Pun




I don't know what the point is here. This doesn't prove they made all of them.
I have heard however, that some human circle makers have had a ton of paranormal experiences WHILE making the circles, or connected with making the circles. Now THAT would make sense - that instead of ruining the whole phenomenon, the "real" circle makers would instead attempt to draw them in.




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:41 PM
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Hi Chad. I was wondering whether your an Occupy this thread member?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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If Carl Sagan knew/had proof we were not alone, he would have shared this information with mankind. It was one of his most contemplated and relative (his opinion, although I feel similar) questions about the universe. He saw mathematics as circumstantial evidence, but passed without any real proof.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Come on, I'm asking you a question about the DNA part of the theory and your deflecting?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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I didn't ask for chemtrail evidence, I asked for evidence showing that crop circles aren't man made



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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If Carl Sagan knew/had proof we were not alone, he would have shared this information with mankind.


Maybe he did. It's suggested he worked for the intel agencys so maybe he had to hide it, and now we've found it -The dna.
I dont claim to know the answer so I cant tell you. As I said in earlier posts, I was collecting information and wondered whether it was possible that he had told us something via that message, that's why I posted here. I hoped for some sensible answers. With the exeption of a few all I found was blind denial.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Come on, I'm asking you a question about the DNA part of the theory and your deflecting?



I dont need to deflect. I can just go elsewhere, but what is the point of arguing with you anyway? people far more capable than me have tried and you just deny and throw another question.

I'm away now to work on my next thread, your realy gonna like it, I'm doing it just for you



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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I know absolutely for a fact that crop circles are created by very intelligent human beings. I looked into this and even got to meet some of the people who make them. I assure you these are incredibly talented people, mathematically brilliant, etc. And yes, they like alcohol too.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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This thread is the best thread ive seen on ATS for probably a year...or somethign to that extent, its so rare to have OP's detailed in stuff thats beyond what is in our day to day lives now. But this is fantastic, and it makes so much sense.. its exciting to see how they replied to us and how they switched the message to their own reply. The solar system, what if it is our system? both have same number of planets?? maybe they are underground in earth jupiter and mars? the crop circle at the top and the thing at the bottom are identical. can you explain that part, is it a satellite of some sort? i would give you 1000 flags and stars for this thread if i could but unfortunately i can only give you 3 stars and 1 flag haha
I wonder if we could ask them how far away they are etc also they have alot of population! lol
so much to discuss here!



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Amen, brother. All I am saying about this thread is this: "What we need is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is exactly the opposite." Bertrand Russell 1872-1970 So why don't you do just that and work on exactly the opposite?
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Yeah so what if Carl Sagan knew something alot of people know something so what's the point no one who knows cares to say anything end of story
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Remember, we are supposed to believe these formations were created by a couple of drunk locals out for a laugh with planks of wood and string.


No we're not.

The groups who make crop circles are highly skilled and are very well prepared.

Don't underestimate what they're capable of.


It's well known that in credible circles the stalks have been flash steamed with microwaves not bent. They are also woven in patterns and use shading effects that no one has been able to reproduce. I disagree with the OP in that it IS about the circles. The authenticity of them is was makes this interesting.

don't forget my theory that Boriska is connected to this in some way. Maybe we should check his dna? seriously





posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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I'm a little late into this thread and not sure if anyone is going to read this at all but here goes.

OP great thread and thanks for posting. I'm not knowledgeable about such topics as they are pretty new to me but I nevertheless did form an opinion after reading your post as to why the ETs might have chosen the crop circle way to communicate.

As we all have seen, Governments are voracious & compulsive liars. If the ETs had replied through radio communication would any of you here seriously think that we would have been told? Maybe they even already had communicated through radio but were disappointed when the greedy Governments hid it.

This way, they are sure that the message will reach the general public, even if many will doubt. At least some will wonder and start their search.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Other than somebody saying so, do you have actual video footage of that formation being made? or just someone claiming to have made it?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Well make sure it's equally poorly researched as this one is, the citizens of ATS just love being mislead (Carl Sagan's involvement in the creation of the message), you'll get another 200 flags for sure!



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Follow the discuss in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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even your questions have questions this is philosophy at it's finest. It must be tough though not getting any real finite scientific answers.
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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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I didn't ask for chemtrail evidence, I asked for evidence showing that crop circles aren't man made



Kaku has to admit there is microwave energy used but he is full of it pretending you can do it with a microwave oven. They won't run without the door closed so he's advocating modifying your oven so it will run with the door open???? He is nuts
and I'd have to be nuts to believe this is a bunch of physics geeks out in fields with duct taped microwave ovens and generators weaving and steaming stalks into binary code and perfectly shaded images thousands of sq meters in size. you guys are too much


ps Kaku says the plants will flop over when exposed to the modified microwave oven but fails to mention the weaving found in credible circles. He's flailing just like some people around here


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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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If aliens are capable of receiving the message, they are capable of sending a reply and if they so chose, they could have broadcasted the reply so that all television and radio signals would have picked it up...

Making a crop circle to get the message to everyone is NOT going to work.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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If aliens are capable of receiving the message, they are capable of sending a reply and if they so chose, they could have broadcasted the reply so that all television and radio signals would have picked it up...

Making a crop circle to get the message to everyone is NOT going to work.


you may be falling into the trap of anthropomorphizing the aliens. You can't apply our logic to their motives and intentions. Regardless of whether we understand the messages or not, the fact remains that humans didn't make the real ones. How were they making the credible circles with microwaves before microwave ovens were available to the public?



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