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Did Carl Sagan know something?

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by liejunkie01
Nice thread and definitely deserving of more flags but,



As you can see, this really is out of the realms of a couple of drunks with their planks of wood and string.


What if it were a couple of drunk college kids that are well versed in their earthly biology and the universe?

I certainly cannot rule this out...........

Just because it is a little more sophisticated than a yen-yang, does not mean that it was made by the aliens.


Meh - I'd say just a little rooting around is enough to convince a logically thinking person that all crop circles aren't made from people. In my opinion, denying that flat out is just evidence of a closed, and probably scared, mind.




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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So, two snippets from some mysterious article that seemingly isn't even worth posting a link to somehow proves the crop circles in the OP aren't man made?

Awesome...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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he knew about the chara



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Since this "not being about crop circles" doesn't make sense:

A binary-coded disc could be EASILY made with a rope, a pole at the center of soon to be disc, and two different lengths of board. If you had technology to travel throughout the galaxy (or farther) why would you draw on the ground? That's about as dumb as forgetting to "flip" an image when writing on the inside of the window. Why not opt for an etched titanium cube or something to make us silly natives say "holy sh!t, that had to have come from another planet!"

This also bugs me: A dot matrix pattern? Maybe the aliens come from the disco nebula.

The nature of a hoax points to the mindset of the originator.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by MeMyselfI

Originally posted by VoidHawk
The area showing our solar system is slightly different.






Don't know about all of this post, but the part (above) about the solar system depiction caught my attention...

The reply, showing Earth, Mars, and Jupiter raised up, AND Jupiter "glowing" made me think of *2001: A Space Odyssey*! Recall in the sequel, "2010", Jupiter is turned into a new "sun" so that our system becomes a binary star system. This could also (maybe) make Mars habitable. To me this looks like what the reply is showing us...



I was also intrigued by the imagery then it struck me, if anything those would be representing 4 of Jupiter's moon's, and it's certainly likely that a few of those could host life of some description.

edit - as for the authenticity of the crop circle, has anyone actually owned up to creating it ?
edit on 25-1-2012 by digitalf because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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I said several times that its not about the crop circles (for me) because I was seeking an answer to a simple question concerning dna. This was eventualy politely answered. I included the path that led me to my question because I knew people would want to know why I was asking it. I'm quite new to forums so I did not realise that my question would be ignored in preference to a debunking frenzy. I live and I learn.

Twisted words.
I have never said the circles were made by aliens, I also never said they were made by man, I SUGGESTED both options. I did say I believe it would take millitary style planning to acheive such formations as those included in the op. To those that suggested they use modern technology to create the formations consider this. I showed the mill Hill formation to an engineer who uses this technology on construction sites. He refuses to believe the formation was created within a four hour window during darkness. He estimates two days during daylight. The farmer who owns the field confirms the time window.

Mill Hill. Poor image but compare it to Doug and Daves.



Doug and Dave.
Here's one of their circles.

I think we can all see the difference.
When they were questioned and asked to explain how they acheived the more complex circles they were stumped for an answer. In the uk Doug and Dave are a joke. Even the media nolonger talk about them because they've been DEBUNKED.

Companies creating crop formations.
This took several days with helicopters and hitech lasers and a large team of people. Another poor image but it makes the point


I notice that the anonymous post I included (concerning dna) in the op has NEVER been used to debunk this thread!! Those scientists that did mention it were excited by it, even saying they were going to work on the data.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Pretty sure Carl knew the hidden truth behind the potential of a certain herb that has been illegal for over 50 years now.

Ha, just kidding. Was a really well thought out and informative read. In my opinion based on the facts you have presented I would like to research further into what Carl actually did when he was recruited by the intelligence agency. Also, the crop circles you presented look quite complicated. For humans to make a circle like this overnight I would think someone would need to program a bunch of robots with coordinates of the pattern to be created or something with a similar method. Seems like crop circles get discussed in circles where really nothing can be confirmed, but they are quite interesting and a marvel to behold.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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It is amazing that some of you consider that people is making this crop circles. There are crop circles of hundred of meters, even if you have a month with all the tools you could not build some crop circles because they are perfect.

How could some one create a 3D crop circle like the alien?


See this video of some UFO creating a crop circle.




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by digitalf

as for the authenticity of the crop circle, has anyone actually owned up to creating it ?
edit on 25-1-2012 by digitalf because


No. Thats whats so odd. Some circles are without doubt works of art but the creaters remain anon. extra DIV



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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It is about the circles, you have completely dismissed that the crop circles could be man made and based the rest of your theory around that.

I know for a fact that crop circle makers are very capable of creating intricate designs, look at the Wilton windmill crop circle from a couple of years ago, I did a thread on it, was very clever what they did.

Here's the thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Binary codes, ASCII, sound familiar?

Then the subtle reference to the Planck constant...geddit?


edit on 24/1/12 by Chadwickus because: (no reason given)


We know people make some of the circles, even intricate ones. But I've yet to see an explanation for:
1. The weaving in crop circles. The layers and layers of weaving above and below the stalks that are down.
2. The fact that small expulsion holes appear in almost all the stalks, even the ones radiating out from the crop circles where the stalks are unaffected. The farther out you go, the smaller the expulsion holes until they disappear. Am I expected to believe humans went to all that trouble without displacing the unaffected stalks?
3. The cases where planes have flown over crops, seen nothing, and a mere 10 minutes later, fly over the same area, and a huge, spectacular design is suddenly there.
4. Why compasses often don't work when brought into a circle.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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The unique pattern in the middle is the asteroid belt. Pluto has been removed from the end because its supposed to be a moon that was once in orbit around Neptune.

The aliens are trying to tell you that the solar system‘s current state is wrong. The outer portion is correct but the inner planets are still wrong.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Coming from a chemtrail believer your words are pretty hollow, ESPECIALLY when you write evidence in caps, as if you regularly present pertinent evidence to a debate, like presenting EVIDENCE that crop circles are not man made...

Oh wait...


The lack of evidence is the evidence that some are not man made.

.....really man ....you're going to attempt to discredit me by bringing Chemtrails into it .....lol

Plenty of evidence has been given in that forum.

Some of the things you say indicate complete and utter denial in the psyche.

....if that's not the case then I will have to link an article on cointelpro



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Plenty of circle makers have come forward. The thing is what they have to say does not really sit well with what the skeptics say. The circles are a definately mostly a human phenomena but that's not the end of the story.

Matthew Williams is a circle maker and is maybe the only circle maker to get arrested? Not sure.

He and many other circle makers have a very unique perspective. After all they are the REAL experts in the field. Pun





posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Voidhawk;

I posted a few questions earlier in this thread and failed to give you credit for an obviously well-done thinking exercise. You did you homework and presented a clear and pertinent question and I have seen you both praised and criticized for the effort.

Personally, it may someday drive me the rest of the way to "Insaneville" because with so many possibilities we may never know which is right, which is wrong, what is intentionally misleading, which is blatant abuse of man's propensity for curiosity, and most importantly of all, which is truly genuine. Carl Sagan is no longer here to explain himself, so I want to believe only the best and nothing here has proven otherwise.

In the meantime, I just wanted to add my appreciation for the good work. I can see I don't need to tell you to ignore the negative, but this discussion has opened some minds and ultimately that is a very positive accomplishment.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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love this thread OP. i read it this morning and i have been checking in on the discussion all day. for the most part i find the discussion to be intriguing and thought provoking but i'm starting to find it a little annoying how a couple of people are hell-bent on trying to convince everybody that ALL crop circles are man made. you are never going to be able to prove that humans are responsible for every crop circle ever made so state your case and leave. coming in every couple minutes just to state your OPINION over and over again ruins the flow of the discussion.

secondly, a couple pages ago someone posted a link to a crop circle making website: www.circlemakers.org...

after scrolling through a couple things i found this:




the small dot in the middle of the center circle is a person.




Here's something to ponder, if this formation was man made allowing for time to get into and out of the field under cover of darkness the construction time left should be around four hours. Given that there are over 400 circles some of which span approx 70ft in diameter that would mean that one of those circles would need to be created every 30 seconds and that's not even allowing any time for the surveying, purely flattening, this formation pushes the envelope and that's a MASSIVE understatement... my brain hurts!


so, even the circle makers themselves are saying that this crop circle would most likely be too complex for humans to create? and they say 'IF this formation was man made" so are they not ruling out the possibility that a non-human species created this? hmm...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Well that engineer is an idiot...

This is man made, made in one night:



You need to face facts, mere humans are capable of doing what you think they can't.

As for the DNA issue, is the anonymous source the only source discussing the discrepancy?
It seems to be and if the DNA issue is so import, I would have thought you would have brought more sources and information to the table, like how silicon was added to the list that make up DNA but not to the actual DNA strand...?

Doesn't that seem a bit odd to you?



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Thanks for those words. A steep learning curve for me



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Yes i agree with you I know many are made by groups of people but some can not be explained and how do you explain this video every time i see it im floored ...



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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This is man made, made in one night:


Do your research, they seriously f'd up on that. If your research is msm then I understand your mistakes.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Elaborate .

And no response to my DNA question?



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