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reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 12:52 PM by xacto
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You both bring up good points, but this is what i was confused by:

White dwarfs are thought to be the final evolutionary state of all stars whose mass is not high enough to become a neutron star—over 97% of the stars in our galaxy.[5], §1. After the hydrogen–fusing lifetime of a main-sequence star of low or medium mass ends, it will expand to a red giant which fuses helium to carbon and oxygen in its core by the triple-alpha process. If a red giant has insufficient mass to generate the core temperatures required to fuse carbon, around 1 billion K, an inert mass of carbon and oxygen will build up at its center. After shedding its outer layers to form a planetary nebula, it will leave behind this core, which forms the remnant white dwarf.[6] Usually, therefore, white dwarfs are composed of carbon and oxygen.



It sounds like a typical white dwarf should have carbon/oxygen spectral lines, whereas Sirius B is not only the size of Earth, but by spectral lines, is pure hydrogen.

Perplexing for the moment...


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:03 PM by xacto
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Holy #e guys, i think ive stumbled accross some pretty basic knowledge that just hasn't been focused upon, check this out:

Supernovae are classified as Type I if their light curves exhibit sharp maxima and then die away smoothly and gradually. The model for the initiation of a Type I supernova is the detonation of a carbon white dwarf when it collapses under the pressure of electron degeneracy. It is assumed that the white dwarf accretes enough mass to exceed the Chandrasekhar limit of 1.4 solar masses for a white dwarf. The fact that the spectra of Type I supernovae are hydrogen poor is consistent with this model, since the white dwarf has almost no hydrogen. The smooth decay of the light is also consistent with this model since most of the energy output would be from the radioactive decay of the unstable heavy elements produced in the explosion.



And


α CMa B Mass 0.978[6] M☉





The hydrogen aspect is still throwing me off, but in terms of mass, it would seem that if it was based off mass this white dwarf is fairly close to supernova. On the other hand, if a white dwarf happens to be in a binary where the other star is offering up pure hydrogen, maybe it makes an entirely new object, not even a white dwarf by definition?
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reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:14 PM by artistpoet
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I find it impossible to come to a conclusion on this but it is great food for thought.
Perhaps Sirius B has already gone super nova and drwn Sirius A into it's orbit - Some massive stars create a Black Hole when they go super nova - Betelguse would be a good example of such a star - Or look at Etna Carina which is pulsing on the point of popping. I read in an Astronomy mag many years ago that in the Crab supernove which is very close - that there are two remnant stars locked within a sort of elctro magnetic cage which nothing penetrates - from this cage though it emits radio waves perpendicular to its orbital plane - much like a galaxy black hole. But I am no expert that is for sure


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:19 PM by artistpoet
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The material Sirius B gathers from Sirius A is shed - some say toward the Sun. then it goes through the same process in an eleptical cycle of 60 years



reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:22 PM by artistpoet
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The diagram you posted does not fit the Sirius system - if it did Sirius A would be a red giant yet it is millions of years away from becoming a red giant as is our Sun which is mid way through its cycle

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reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 02:42 PM by xacto
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This is of course assuming that the threshold limit based off our estimations is absolute.

The ideas of Sirius C are certainly fascinating, as per my other thread inquiring about the lack of the Kepler project www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 02:44 PM by xacto
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The diagram you posted does not fit the Sirius system - if it did Sirius A would be a red giant yet it is millions of years away from becoming a red giant as is our Sun which is mid way through its cycle

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I made the connection as well. My thinking is that maybe we don't know about supernovae and binary interaction as well as we should, yet here we have a fine specimen that is right next door. Surely we can observe it with all of our best tools and minds and learn much about it!


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 02:48 PM by artistpoet
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The diagram you posted does not fit the Sirius system - if it did Sirius A would be a red giant yet it is millions of years away from becoming a red giant as is our Sun which is mid way through its cycle

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I made the connection as well. My thinking is that maybe we don't know about supernovae and binary interaction as well as we should, yet here we have a fine specimen that is right next door. Surely we can observe it with all of our best tools and minds and learn much about it!


I agree we know so little really - there are so many combinations of stars and systems.
Regarding Sirius system - It has often baffled me why we have not researched and aimed our sights to this very special and close system more.
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