Could black holes be cloaked alien civilizations?

Could black holes be cloaked alien civilizations, perhaps spaceships?
I know that black holes exert a gravitational pull.
I also know that black holes swallow up stars, BUT could this be an advanced way they are powering up their civilization/ spaceship?
Makes me wonder...
Does it make you wonder?
I mean even us, Humans like to hide things. So do animals. Why not aliens?




Off course you may argue, well we found them.
Not really because we think them collapsing stars, so we are duped.
Furthermore, they may be in fact not be hiding as such, just hiding and concealing, cloaking and powering up their home, spaceship.
And in any case, it would be a first line of defence, much like a a security alarm.
The second and third challenge would be getting there and getting in.
If we were to observe black holes and anomalies, objects coming out, in we could at least see if this has merit.
This would require observation and way better equipment that we have now.
Again, I appeal to nature that the cause of hidding is to be found in the very nature of living things, as prey hide from predators.

Let me say that this is the greatest question I have ever heard.



Sorry, but to get an answer from me would take pages and pages.

You're my new hero.

reply to post by Unrealised



Well i have a whole bunch of questions!
I demand answers!
Just kidding;-)

I also have a whole bunch of theories with no evidence but a library full of cirumstantial evidence, that would reshape history. And no, I am not mad, deluded or such. I am very rational and skeptical, thats why I have questions.

Short answer: no

Long answer: No... imagine if you will space-time as a flat sheet of paper. gravity from massed objects makes indentations in the paper. our sun, which is capable of holding objects as far as 8 billion miles away (www.jpl.nasa.gov...) in orbit around it, is actually tiny, and in universal terms, its a light-weight. The smallest black hole discovered, by comparison, weighs in at around 3 times the weight of our sun. or 3 solar masses) Which means that its gravitational effects are around 3 times as strong as our suns. and, at the other end of the spectrum the largest black hole ever recorded is 28 billion solar masses. There is literally no way a alien civilization no matter how advanced could ever live near a black hole. much less use one to hide itself from some insignificant race of beings who've barley ventured beyond their own planet.

tl;dr for the long answer: Black holes are way to f*****g heavy for anything to exist near it, much less use it as some sort of cloaking device.

black holes should probably be proven conclusively first before wondering if aliens live in them, and 'scientists' can't prove circular definitions (black holes are unobservable, science is the art of measuring the observable, cannot be proven to exist.)

without carrying that on for another page of semantics i'll just leave it at 'prolly not' =)

There is literally no way a alien civilization no matter how advanced could ever live near a black hole.

speculative since we have yet to man a flight outside the heliosphere let alone be gravitationally influenced by a black hole.

reply to post by fnord


What I am saying is that they dont live in one, they created one.
That to us seems like a black hole.
As a further spin, some black holes could be black holes.
Great way to hide, dont you think?
How do you know they cannot manipulate mass?
Thereby giving of the illusion of the percieved phenomenon?
This is the whole idea of cloaking.
They gor you fooled!
It works!

No in all seriousness i understand what you are saying, but look at our theoretical cloacking technology, it looks very much like a black hole.
How do you know what kind of manipulation (false reading) it would give?
Mass isnt everything, it is assumed anyway in these cases, as no alternative explanations exist.
Until now;-)
What i mean, you dont know if the mass is somehow deposited in an outer impenetrable layer (to us).
You just dont know that.

You have no idea what the inner buildup of a black hole is, do you!?
It is only assumed.
Got you fooled;-)

In fact we are experimenting with mass manipulation as we speak, maybe you missed the latest news?

Originally posted by Unrealised
Let me say that this is the greatest question I have ever heard.

why

Sorry, but to get an answer from me would take pages and pages.

why

You're my new hero.

why?



If blackholes where cloaked alien civilizations that would mean there would be a cloacked civilization in the center of every galaxy in the universe. Now before anyone asks 'well why not' ...because that would mean they have traveled throughout the entire universe and colonized every galaxy in it hauling their cloaking devices with them.


Think about this does anyone still wonder if this could be so ?

reply to post by Rafe_


No it wouldnt.
Read my comment above yours and reply to it.
It gives a perfect explanation.
Not every black hole is a cloaked civilazation!
Shees, thats the point of hiding.
You can see mimicry on earth.
Do you deny mimicry?
Try to disprove it.
Try!
They got you fooled!

reply to post by BBalazs


Could you please clean that post up a little bit.I mean i am not a grammar nazi ,not by a longshot and i am even guilty of pissing off grammar ,and nazi's off but,your post is a bit 'on edge' if you get my 'drift'.

reply to post by BBalazs


Hah, i will take it as an admition that i have more then a whacky idea.
At least i have a whacky idea that is plausible, although according to you unlikely.
Got ya;-)

Originally posted by BBalazs
reply to post by Rafe_

 

No it wouldnt.
Read my comment above yours and reply to it.
It gives a perfect explanation.
Not every black hole is a cloaked civilazation!
Shees, thats the point of hiding.
You can see mimicry on earth.
Do you deny mimicry?
Try to disprove it.
Try!
They got you fooled!

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edit on 24-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

try to disprove it ? disprove what exactly ?


(yes you sure got me fooled there mate i admit it , you got me)

Originally posted by Rafe_

Originally posted by Unrealised
Let me say that this is the greatest question I have ever heard.

why

Sorry, but to get an answer from me would take pages and pages.

why

You're my new hero.

why?



If blackholes where cloaked alien civilizations that would mean there would be a cloacked civilization in the center of every galaxy in the universe. Now before anyone asks 'well why not' ...because that would mean they have traveled throughout the entire universe and colonized every galaxy in it hauling their cloaking devices with them.


Think about this does anyone still wonder if this could be so ?

'Why not' is the answer to all of your questions.

Do you know for sure that there is a black-hole in the centre of every galaxy? Do you know if they can be made artificially, as well as naturally?

Your argument is only valid if aliens made every black-hole in the universe.





Is your mind a black-hole, absorbing light from the Sun, as well as sound and every other function of your mind?


Before you answer 'no', tell me 'why not?'

reply to post by Rafe_


Who said anytging about travel?
How does this fit in?
I dont get you.

reply to post by Unrealised



Actually the answer to that question is yes.

Originally posted by BBalazs
reply to post by Rafe_

 

Who said anytging about travel?
How does this fit in?
I dont get you.

uhm well djeesh i dunooo uhmm lets see

owhyeah uhm how do they get to these locations were they cloak there civilizations????
It would be really neat to know please please tell me please

Mass manipulation is a possibility and requirement of space travel and (obviously advanced alien civilizations, my add), so speculate nasa:
www.nasa.gov...

By spaceship, i meant more like spacestation, that may have got some of you thinking in the wrong direction.
So an artificial planet, or none moving ship is what I meant.

How they got there?
Is this a serious question?
If they have cloaking technology it seem pretty obvious they ae advanced.

Smaller spaceships could come and go, off course, but we couldnt even detect that.

Originally posted by BBalazs
Mass manipulation is a possibility and requirement of space travel and (obviously advanced alien civilizations, my add), so speculate nasa:
www.nasa.gov...

By spaceship, i meant more like spacestation, that may have got some of you thinking in wrong direction.
So an artificial planet, or none moving ship is what I meant.

This thread raises a most interesting possibility, but if such a cloaking capability exists, then I would think they would disguise themselves by pretending to be a Sun or Star to limit the effects needed to actually fool someone from the black hole effects that a black hole would have to have to properly fool anyone.

Anyway, it is a most daunting idea that would in my opinion only be pursued by humans who think in the manner we do.

Aliens being so deceptive and to use such technology to protect themselves says that perhaps we as humans are applying to much humanism to those that may not be as eager to use war and death to solve problems and because of other non human factors, dont need to disguise themselves as black holes so as not to be seen from everyone who would spot them.

Just a thought. Thanks again.

Originally posted by BBalazs
Mass manipulation is a possibility and requirement of space travel and (obviously advanced alien civilizations, my add), so speculate nasa:
www.nasa.gov...

By spaceship, i meant more like spacestation, that may have got some of you thinking in the wrong direction.
So an artificial planet, or none moving ship is what I meant.

How they got there?
Is this a serious question?
If they have cloaking technology it seem pretty obvious they ae advanced.

edit on 24-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

yes.

reply to post by MaxBlack


I think aliens would be no angels.
Probably just like as in many ways.
I mean they would have the same drive for food, safety, etc.
Unless they evolved into beings of light.
We know considerable more about stars then black holes, so anomalies I would pressume are easier to pick up.

But very valid point non the less.
Thank you!