reply to post by SaturnFX
Actually, Islam is very much a democracy
You really don't understand what democracy means, do you?
Read Hegel's "philosophy of right" and then answer me how Islam defends the personal rights of ALL people, IRRESPECTIVE of personal belief.
Islamic law may work for Muslims, but what about Egyptian atheists, Christians etc?
If they are voted in under a certain platform, do said platform, then they have done the will of the people
You are confusing the democratic process of an election, with the democratic process in governing. Sure, this is 'democratic', in that the people have
voted an Islamic party into government. But in terms of governing, I can assure you, they are the complete opposite of democratic.
If they do not give regular fair elections, then they go against the will of the people..that is really the only criteria towards a democratic
country. Free and fair elections.
Ya...Like the "Free elections" in Iran?
The democratic spirit cannot flourish in a country where basic democratic principles do not exist. As soon as an Islamic government gains foot in
Egypt, they will not be voted out, barring another popular revolution.
The US favors that platform
The constitution makes no preference towards any religion, as it insures the freedom of all people to practice any religion they desire.
There is a fundamental disparity between the precepts of a religious party, such as the Islamist parties in Egypt, and the egalitarian spirit that
most democracies seek to give expression to.
I'm not saying there are any 'true' democracies. I know there aren't and have never been. All political philosophers generally agree on this point.
However, there is general agreement that in a true democracy, there is a separation between church and state. This separation attempts to secure a
civil equality between all peoples, before the state: this is what's called the "social contract". In such a state, equality is sovereign. In an
Islamist society, God is sovereign, which means Islamist law, Shari'a, is sovereign.
Just to add, I don't have much a problem with Muslims following Islamist law, or for an Islamist society to elect an Islamic government. What i object
to is calling such a society 'democratic', when it isn't.
and even demand the laws of the land are based on jewish deity instructions (10 commandments).
First, one could argue the constitution is more deistic, than Jewish. The very content of the ideas in the constitution are rooted in basic human
reason, and because it is, it has allowed a truly "democratic" i.e. society to emerge, in the sense that people can truly act in any way they desire -
as long as it doesn't hurt others. Is this not the basic idea behind a democracy?
I don't think you have an iota of knowledge of Shar'ia law. Read "the legacy of Jihad" to get an idea of the history of it, or read some of the works
of Hassan Al Bannah (founder of the Muslim Brotherhood). Shari'a, of course, shows preference to Muslims, even in issues of general administration:
for example, the Shari'a demands that in issues of civil law, a Muslim be given priority to a non Muslim. Meaning, If a non-Muslim brings a suit
against a Muslim, the non-Muslim is not to be believed.
With an Islamist government in Egypt, Islamist's will be elected to positions of authority in almost all the major areas of government. I don't know
if you're paying attention to the elections in Egypt, but Egypt's new government will be overwhelmingly Islamic: 75%, or 3/4 of the legislature, will
You are dreaming if you think this is a 'victory for democracy". It's a joke and an insult to anyone who understands what's actually going on.
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