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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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hey you were actually right about the Irish famine. Twice a fungus caused the harvests to fail. Just thought I'd admit I learned something today, Man I am going to write to the dunce teacher that taught me that with a very wordy email. You get a star for that.


Any ways, let's just agree to disagree. I dont hold the bible as an infallible book of a magic entity. I respectfully disagree. If you would like to continue the debate with fact based arguments then please do, We stand to learn in a manner that is mutually beneficial. I dont actually like bible interpretation as it is like reading a poem and passing what sentiment it inspires as fact.

But anyways, enjoy the banana bread.


P.s.
To get a good idea of anything it is just better to use more than one source. In fact the more the merrier.
I dont exclusively use any one source. All are valid in giving a little bit of information. When they coincide you can align yourself closer to the truth they all aim at.




posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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HI

I was just wondering what you thought of the Marion Conspiracy. The theory is that Mary was daughter of High Priest of the Temple and was married to Herod's son, Antipater, who was murdered by Herod because Herod´s sister didn't want him to become king, she preferred another of her nephews better. Mary was pregnant at the time with Jesus and escaped with the help of family friend Joseph. The slaughter of the children occurred because they could not let a legitimate son of Antipater survive, due to his connections with Roman emperor.

If Mary Magdalene was Salome, then the identity of Jesus Christ within the family of Herod was Aristobulus , a grandson of Herod through his Hasmonian wife Mariamne. It was this Aristobulus that married Salome after the death of her first husband Herod-Phillip. Mary the mother of Jesus was then another princess named Mariamne, the granddaughter of Herod's brother Joseph.

According to the Gospel account Mary bore Jesus out of wedlock. The actual father would have been the child's namesake Aristobulus son of the first Mariamne and Herod. This Aristobulus and his brother Alexander were executed by Herod in 7 B.C., the very year that the Christ is thought to have been born. As a result, Jesus was adopted by the appointed husband of Mary/Mariamne II, who is called Joseph in the Gospels, but corresponds to the future Herod of Chalcis ruler over the land of the Nazarenes.

Herod loved his wife Mariamne even after he had been persuaded to kill her and her children for treason. He also realized that a male descendant of hers had the best chance of being accepted by the Jewish people as a legitimate king. The mocking "King of the Jews" title comes to mind

The flight to Egypt of Mary and Joseph with the infant Aristobulus/Jesus might have been staged in order to make this child as a savior-figure, a "Horus" and rightful heir in Egyptian parlance. The favor of such a prince would have evoked intense rivalry by other members of the royal family and merited a careful safeguarding.

Do you share the view that the role Mary Magdalene was to represent, a direct lineage to the Goddess, The whore of Babylon? Like Rahab of Jericho who was repeatedly called a harlot, yet was described as living like a princess, in a tower, able to speak to the king of Jericho with immunity, etc. Was Mary Magdalene actually Salome?

I think the story of Rahab and her motherhood,( lineage to Christ) and her contribution to the “scarlet thread” of Messianic kingship was made explicit in the Gospels, because they tried to reveal the hidden kingship of Christ or validate it in the tradition of the times. She was probably royalty in Jericho, and being saved, was a contributor to the supposed line of the messiah.

Why would Mathew try and link Jesus to Joshua of the old testament? Is there a parallel between Rahab and Mary Magdalene? The figure of the harlot portrayed by Rahab is strikingly familiar with the whore of Babylon. She is not a lowly prostitute. Is there an effort to trace the right of kingship to the old Babylonian royal blood lines?


Was Herod the Great the architect of the "Christian heresy", and the plan was brought to completion by his family after his death. Was his first purpose to fulfill Messianic prophesy and thereby secure the acceptance of his dynasty among the Jews?

What I have read
"The Hasmoneans claimed not only the throne of Judah, but also the post of High Priest. This assertion of religious authority conflicted with the tradition of the priests coming from the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron and the tribe of Levi.

The Birth of Judaism, and "The Jews" takes place at Hanukkah, when "Tribal Levi" walked out of the temple and Simon, became the self-appointed king. He could not use the title Nasi as he was neither bloodline nor a Tribal Leader or Elder. The Jewish Movement was born with the Pharisee, Judaism the Religion was written down 200 years later between Rabbi Akiva and Judah HaNasi."

was there never a "Jewish Royalty" as Judaism takes the names from history while its members are converts.
Is this whole story a tale of usurped kingship from the line of Babylonian royalty? A struggle to establish right of leadership?

Is this tied to the royalty of present day world who try and establish a blood line from the divinely given kingship bestowed by the gods of ancient Babylon?

"Jesus" was an effort to claim that divine rule over mankind? His bloodline is trying to establish legitimacy in the same fashion?

Is the establishment of Christianity as Rome´s religion a sign that this bloodline established itself there as the new Babylon. The destruction of the temple like king Nebuchadnezzar II, and that of Rome?

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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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I also would like to ask for a list of introductory literature I could use to better inform myself on this subject. I am very intrigued by this issue as I think it is the seed of the power struggle the world is seeing now. I am pretty much in the dark here. I dont really have anyone to talk to about this subject and I really need someone with an actual education in true bible study to guide me a little. I´ll appreciate any information you can provide. Thanks for your support thus far.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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There is a lot of stuff in the Debunkist religion that I refer to as atheist theater.

You've got the Nineteenth Century dialectic materialism with Darwin digging up bones, Socialist claptrap about "Society" and the resentful bigoted prejudice about people believing in something good.

I think that a lot of this stuff was put in atheist literature to attract book sales. In those days, it was much more impressive to have this atheist theater than not.

However, I think that the Theory Of Evolution and stories of Steve Jobs are worth reading. Steve Jobs was a radical of his times. He was teaching people look up stuff on the Internet and having direct relationship with their Browser rather than depending upon a fancy socialist demagogue in a fancy suit to act as your intermediary.

If you strip of the atheist theater aspects of Debunking, it still has many worthless aspects. Das Kapital is the foundation for a really empty creed.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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l. The fake ‘midrashic’ (i.e. haggadic = legendary) 14-set genealogy of ‘Iesous’ in the 1st canonical Greek gospel ‘according to Matthew’ (whoever he was) skips over a number of Judean kings (who reigned between c. 680 BCE and 621 BCE) in order to keep his fake sets of 14 going (D-V-D = i.e. 4 + 6 + 4 = the geometrical number for the Messiah based on the ‘number’ for the name ‘David’) –

Yet ‘Matthew’ adds FIVE whorish (sexually compromised) women to the set (odd for a genealogy for the Messiah) including Rachab the Harlot, Tamar (raped by her brother Yehudah), Ruth (who threw herself sexually at her late husband’s cousin Boaz, then lived (possibly as a lesbian?) with Naomi her mother in law) , then there’s the promiscuous Jebusite princess Bath-Shebiti (‘Bath-sheba’ lit. ‘daughter of the 7’ i.e. gods) who married to Uriah the Hittite commited Adultery with ‘David’ to produce the (illegitimate) clan chieftan Jedediah (i.e. ‘Sholomon’, lit. ‘peaceful’) – then Miryam of Galilee, the 5th in a long line of whores….or as AMADEUS asks (quoting C.K. Barrett) ‘what exactly was ‘Matthew’ trying to tell us about her character?’


was he maybe trying to link the blood line to the great temple and the whore of Babylon?


2. The so-called ‘Magnificent’ poem of ‘Mary’ in the 3rd canonical council approved Greek gospel (‘according to Luke’ whoever he was) includes phrases like ‘blessed be YHWH, who has looked favorably upon the ‘gross-defilement’ of his handmaiden…’ –


The MAMZER accusation I think is unanswerable because it would reveal his true lineage to Herod possibly? The poem might try and further establish the reason why.


Now if Miryam of Galilee was an old woman at the time, post menopausal, her ‘gross-defilement’ i.e. ‘sexual humiliation’ would naturally (for a middle eastern woman of the time) be barrenness (=biological inability to produce ‘sons’) – but since she was supposed to be young at the time, the ‘gross defilement ’ (in its CONTEXT) that ‘Luke’ mentions in his Greek (‘TAPEINWSIN’) can only mean RAPE (or possibly ‘seduction’ i.e. date-rape).


The lineage of the Sumerian God Enki, his rape of a girl by the river and creation of civilized man comes to mind.


3. The weird bastardry (i.e. MAMZER) echoes in the 4th council approved Greek Canonical Gospel ‘according to John’ whoever he was) about ‘WE (in the Greek intensive) were NOT born of fornication:


The accusations are presented by a rival leadership whose ancestors usurped the Jewish temple priests. They might have been trying to make clear they were of a different "right" to rule. A legitimate one somehow.


John 8:41 “WE (in the Greek intensive) know who OUR father is !’

(the Greek intensive for WE in this pejorative sneer could be better rendered into modern English as something like ‘At least WE ourselves know who OUR OWN Father is…”) – which carries a kind of double-entendre underneath it.


Maybe they referred to their tribe or lineage as a people and not that of them personally.


At any rate the ‘sneer’ (C. K. Barrett) seems to indicate that there was some kind of bastardry insult hurling going on in the scene – although admittedly, these are not recorded historical literal word for word notes being taken here – and the pejorative language (being hurled at R. Yehoshua’s parentage may well be more general against all Galileans whom the Judeans (at least in the 4th ‘gospel’ !) apparently equated with “Samaritans” (i.e. half-breeds) e.g. John 9:34



‘You were steeped in defilement from the day of your sinful birth (i.e. bastardry), and do you dare to teach US? Then they threw him out of the hall….’



John 8:48 ‘Are we not absolutely right in labeling you a Samaritan, and one possessed of Belial?’


So again, the implied claim by Jesus to emulate Horus, was seen as being traced back to the first enemy of Judea, Babylon. He was the same as those that destroyed the temple and as such had no logical right over them.

The Samaritans were still deeply indoctrinated with the old religions and idols.

Perhaps they knew more of his real parents and their supposed origins not aligned with the accepted blood right of kingship. To accuse him of being possessed or filled with idol worship was perhaps to accuse him of his attempt at seizing power based on his "divine right" to the throne passed down from the olden Gods.

Belial is commonly translated as "lacking worth". Some scholars translate it from Hebrew as "worthless" (Beli yo'il), while others translate it as "yokeless" (Beli ol), "may have no rising" (Belial) or "never to rise".

Are they implying he would never take the reins of leadership in Jewish terms by being related to illegitimate claims of succession?

I was also thinking that the name belial might be a word derived from Baalbek, meaning town of Baal.
This is where Nimrod, According to the Arabs, supposedly tried to attack God and failed. Where he built the tower of Babel and did not rise because God intervened. It to me is closely related with rebellion and failed attempts at hurting god.

Yahweh has been experienced as a God of power, the God who fought Pharaoh, who parted the Red Sea, who led the Israelites through the desert, who parted the Jordan, who brought them into the land by toppling the walls of Jericho and routing the Canaanite and Philistine armies. This led to the idea that Yahweh, the God of the patriarchs, was a powerful warrior God, the God of the desert who could be counted on to march in with his heavenly armies in times of crisis. However, as the Israelites settled into the land, they encountered the fertility cult of Baal.

Perhaps after the Idols were expelled from the temple the term became more closely related with a negative connotation. Maybe they were trying to accuse him of attempting to rebuild the house of Baal? Rebel against God?

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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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What do you think the possibilities that "Jesus" is a name sake taken to emulate Joshua?

Was Jesus really aware of this if so, or was he slowly indoctrinated since his youth. He did amaze the temple priests with his knowledge as a child, perhaps he had a teacher that was a former high priest like that of a royal family?

I know, too many questions and in no particular order. I am really in the dark here. LOL

I know these theories are a little far fetched but they are all I can think about whenever I look deeper into the bible. I seem to gravitate towards them. Maybe I need to take a more practical approach. Any suggestions?

He did have "father" issues. He called God Abba, "daddy"

Was he aware that Joseph was not his father?
Did he long for his royal title, and by that longing claimed a more all encompassing one?

Son of God, since he could not claim to be the son of Herrod
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Herod Antipater, son of Herod the great,
is best known today for accounts in the New Testament of his role in events that led to the executions of John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth.

"The Gospel of Luke states that when Jesus was brought before Pontius Pilate for trial, Pilate handed him over to Antipas, in whose territory Jesus had been active. However, Antipas sent him back to Pilate."

So he could not kill Jesus but he could kill John the Baptist?
He couldn't kill his brother. What was the role of John the Baptist. Why did he venerate Jesus like a servant his lord?

"Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, the daughter of King Aretas IV of Nabataea, in favor of Herodias, who had formerly been married to his brother Herod Philip I. According to the New Testament Gospels, it was John the Baptist's condemnation of this arrangement that led Antipas to have him arrested; John was subsequently put to death."

So here we have a solidifying of power by marrying his brother's wife after he was already married. A diverse, no small thing then or now. Why did he do this, was it to solidify his rule in case Jesus won favor and usurped his throne?

Why was John the Baptist so vocal about a royal diverse or wedding? what vested interests did he have in who the king married? Was her daughter(salome) to maybe marry Jesus and so provide a legal heir to the throne by his lineage?

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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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"Philip the Tetrarch was a member of the Herodian dynasty, married his niece Salome, the daughter of Herodias."

"This Salome appears in the Bible in connection with the execution of John the Baptist. The evangelist Mark (6:17) and Matthew (14:3) after dancing and pleasing the king, he promises her anything. Her mother, Herodias asked for john the batistes head.

Was Herodias really angry for Johns rebuke that she should not mary her brother in law, or because he was aware of something more.

It was normal for someone to take the wife of his brother. Why wasn't it here?

Why did Johns followers immediately go to Jesus after his death?

were they related somehow?
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Makes you wonder how much the bible was rewritten using pagan myth.


Hello, even if it is a "maiden", a devout Jewish girl 2,000 years ago wasn't sleeping around like your average 14 year olds today. This was before miniskirts and clear heels. And also, how would a simple "maiden" having a child be a miraculous sign from heaven?


I think 2000 years ago 14 year old girls were married and having babies. I think there's a lot of data to support that, even in relatively modern times.



posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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hey you were actually right about the Irish famine. Twice a fungus caused the harvests to fail. Just thought I'd admit I learned something today, Man I am going to write to the dunce teacher that taught me that with a very wordy email. You get a star for that.


Why, How very Cordial and Gracious of you.

I had a teacher, (an ex-cop) back in the day that taught us that Mao Tse-Tung was a "Man for the people"!!




Any ways, let's just agree to disagree. I dont hold the bible as an infallible book of a magic entity. I respectfully disagree. If you would like to continue the debate with fact based arguments then please do, We stand to learn in a manner that is mutually beneficial. I dont actually like bible interpretation as it is like reading a poem and passing what sentiment it inspires as fact.


Glad to see that "The True Spirit Of Debate" has not been lost on you.
We prefer to say "Supernatural", not Magic, as of course there is no such thing as Magic. Not in the real sense of the word. Believe it or not there is a BIG difference between Bible Interpretation and having the kind of understanding that only Being "Filled" with The Holy Spirit can bring.



To get a good idea of anything it is just better to use more than one source. In fact the more the merrier.
I dont exclusively use any one source. All are valid in giving a little bit of information. When they coincide you can align yourself closer to the truth they all aim at.


Funny you should say that...because I have and Do have more than one source!
Not only Scripture but my years of life experience, and I am happy to say that I have not led a boring life!
If you only knew how many times Our Lord has saved me from certain disaster! So many and too many to mention here.
Not to mention the time a whole bunch of us kids saw an "actual" craft, up close and personal! They all ran away except for Us Three! It was so close to us that if I were a couple feet taller I could have touched it! You see there are many who can co-oberate this but I feel it is much more Important to give Glory to HE that created ALL! Instead of subscribing to outrageous ideas and beliefs that God is an Alien. After all, we were created in His Image and they don't look anything like us. Certain people would have us believe that Aliens are responsible for God's great works! How is that complimentary to God in any way? It isn't.
I've seen what I believe to have been The Holy Spirit! It scared the bejeebers outta me to put it lightly.
And of course, the Testimony of others(who know that lying is wrong and cannot enter The Kingdom if they do!) and the personal experiences of those that have come before me and are no longer here with us.

But yes, I just may take you up on that offer, see ya 'round!
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posted on Jan, 27 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by banishedfromthisarea

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Makes you wonder how much the bible was rewritten using pagan myth.


Hello, even if it is a "maiden", a devout Jewish girl 2,000 years ago wasn't sleeping around like your average 14 year olds today. This was before miniskirts and clear heels. And also, how would a simple "maiden" having a child be a miraculous sign from heaven?


I think 2000 years ago 14 year old girls were married and having babies. I think there's a lot of data to support that, even in relatively modern times.


Yes, and at 14 if they are married and having children they aren't referred to as young maidens. Young maidens are the unwed young girls in the town. It goes without saying that they are virgins, even if the text says "young maiden".



posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Everything I am posting now is quoted from Wiki and other sources. I have not listed them in order since I have only the notes I took and am not able to credit the work the the apropiate authors. I appologize for this to readers and them.


WHORE OF BABYLON
Her full title is given as "Babylon the Great, the Mother of HARLOTS and Abominations of the Earth
Βαβυλὼν ἡ μεγάλη, ἡ μήτηρ τῶν πορνῶν καὶ τῶν βδελυγμάτων τῆς γῆς;
transliterated Babylōn ē Megalē, ē mētēr tōn pornōn kai tōn bdelygmatōn tēs Gēs.)

Mary Magdalene's given name Μαρία (Maria) is usually regarded as a Latin form of Μαριὰμ (Mariam), which is the Greek variant used in Septuagint for Miriam, the Hebrew name for Moses' sister. The name had become very popular during Jesus' time due to its connections to the ruling Hasmonean and Herodian dynasties.

Luke 8:2 says that she was actually "called Magdalene." In Hebrew מגדל Migdal means "tower", "fortress"; in Aramaic, "Magdala" means "tower" or "elevated, great, magnificent".

Mary Magdalene appears with more frequency than other women in the canonical Gospels and is shown as being a close follower of Jesus. Mary's presence at the Crucifixion and Jesus' tomb, has been theorised as at least consistent with the role of grieving wife and widow. It has also been theorised that certain passages indicate that Mary of Bethany was behaving as a Jewish wife, for example in waiting to be summoned when Jesus arrived at Lazarus’ tomb.This would be resolved if Mary Magdalene and Mary of Bethany were one and the same character

Mark 15:40, Matthew 27:56 and John 19:25 mention Mary Magdalene as a witness to crucifixion, along with various other women. Luke does not name any witnesses, but mentions "women who had followed him from Galilee" standing at a distance.[Lk. 23:49] In listing witnesses who saw where Jesus was buried by Joseph of Aramathea, Mark 15:47 and Matthew 27:61 both name only two people: Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary", who in Mark is "the mother of James".

Luke 23:55 describes the witnesses merely as "the women who had come with Jesus from Galilee". John 19:39-42 mentions no other witness to Joseph's burial of Jesus except for Joseph's assistant Nicodemus. However, John 20:1 then names Mary Magdalene in describing who discovered the tomb to be empty. Mark 16:1 says she was accompanied by Salome and Mary the mother of James, while Matthew 28:1 omits Salome. Luke 24:10 says the group who found the empty tomb consisted of "Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them".

The Gospel of John[11:1-45] [12:1-8] and the Gospel of Luke[10:38-42] also mention a "Mary of Bethany", who in some Christian traditions is regarded the same person as Mary Magdalene. Mary of Bethany was the sister of Lazarus and Martha. Mary and Martha are among the most familiar sets of sisters in the Bible. Both Luke and John describe them as friends of Jesus.

Luke's story, though only four verses long, has been a complex source of inspiration, interpretation, and debate for centuries. John's account, which says the sisters had a brother named Lazarus, spans seventy verses. Though some earlier interpreters blended the person of Mary of Bethany with Mary Magdalene and the sinful woman of Luke 7:36-50,

Among the women who are specifically named in the New Testament of the Bible, Mary Magdalene’s name is one of the most frequently found. In Matthew 27:56, the author names three women in sequence: “Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” In the Gospel of Mark, the author lists a group of women three times, and each time, Mary Magdalene’s name appears first. Finally, in the Gospel of Luke, the author enumerates the women who went to the tomb of Jesus, writing that, “It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them,” which once again places Mary Magdalene at the head of the list.

According to Carla Ricci, “The place she [Mary Magdalene] occupied in the list cannot be considered fortuitous,” because over and over Mary Magdalene’s name is placed at the head of specifically named women, indicating her importance. The significance of this is further strengthened when one examines the lists of the named apostles. In Luke, the author writes that Jesus “took Peter, John and James.” According to Ricci, because Peter occupies the first position in the list, that place can be considered the position of highest importance. As a result, it can be argued that Mary Magdalene must have held a very central position among the followers of Jesus, whether as disciple or in some other capacity.

It was because of this association of Mary as a prostitute that she became the patroness of "wayward women", and "Magdalene houses" became established to help save women from prostitution.

Peter said to Mary, "Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman. Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them." Mary answered and said, "What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you."

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Everything I am posting now is quoted from Wiki and other sources. I have not listed them in order since I have only the notes I took and am not able to credit the work the the apropiate authors. I appologize for this to readers and them.

Gospel of Philip
Mary Magdalene, in a dramatic 19th-century popular image of penitence painted by Ary Scheffer.
Gospel of Philip, dating from the 2nd or 3rd century, survives in part among the texts found in Nag Hammadi in 1945. In a manner very similar to John 19:25-26, the Gospel of Philip presents Mary Magdalene among Jesus' female entourage, adding that she was his koinônos, a Greek word variously translated in contemporary versions as partner, associate, comrade, companion.There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister, his mother and his companion were each a Mary.

Others' irritation from the love and affection presented by Jesus to Mary Magdalene is claimed in the apocryphal Gospel of Philip. The text is badly fragmented.

And the companion of the savior was Mary Magdalene. Christ loved Mary more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended by it and expressed disapproval. They said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you like her?"

Bart D. Ehrman referred to a work by an early anonymous Christian writer (perhaps Hippolytus, a Christian leader in Rome around 200 AD) who in a commentary on the Old Testament book Song of Songs, wrote that Jesus first appeared to the women at the tomb. He instructed them to go and tell his disciples that he was risen from the dead. Then he appeared to his disciples and "upbraided them for not believing the women's report," referring to the women as apostles.

Ehrman quotes the writer: "Christ showed himself to the (male) apostles and said to them, 'It is I who appeared to these women and I who wanted to send them to you as apostles.'" Ehrman concludes from this that Mary and the others could therefore be thought of as "apostles sent to the apostles," a title that Mary Magdalene herself came to bear in the Middle Ages (Latin: apostola apostolorum). Erhman further cites Mark 16:8 and Matthew 28:11 as evidence for his proposition.

"Beloved Disciple" in the Gospel of John
A group of scholars, the most familiar of whom is Elaine Pagels, have suggested that for one early group of Christians Mary Magdalene was a leader of the early Church. These scholars have even suggested that Mary might even be the unidentified "Beloved Disciple" to whom the Gospel of John is ascribed

Easter Egg tradition
For centuries, it has been the custom of many Christians to share dyed and painted eggs, particularly on Easter Sunday. The eggs represent new life, and Christ bursting forth from the tomb. Among Eastern Orthodox Christians (including Albanian, Armenian, Bulgarian, Greek, Lebanese, Macedonian, Russian, Romanian, Serbian and Ukrainian) this sharing is accompanied by the proclamation "Christ is risen!" (in Greek "Christos anesti",Serbian:"Христос Вoскрeсе!", Armenian:"Քրիստոս յառեաւ ի մեռելոց",Albanian:"Krishti U Ngjall!") and the response "Truly He is risen!" (in Greek - "Alithos anesti",Serbian:" Вaистина Воскресе", Albanian:"Vertet U Ngjall!").

One tradition concerning Mary Magdalene says that, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, she used her position to gain an invitation to a banquet given by Emperor Tiberius. When she met him, she held a plain egg in her hand and exclaimed, "Christ is risen!" Caesar laughed, and said that Christ rising from the dead was as likely as the egg in her hand turning red while she held it. Before he finished speaking, the egg in her hand turned a bright red, and she continued proclaiming the Gospel to the entire imperial house.

Another version of this story can be found in popular belief, mostly in Greece. It is believed that after the Crucifixion, Mary Magdalene and the Virgin Mary put a basket full of eggs at the foot of the cross. There, the eggs were painted red by the blood of the Christ. Then, Mary Magdalene brought them to Tiberius Caesar.
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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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Everything I am posting now is quoted from Wiki and other sources. I have not listed them in order since I have only the notes I took and am not able to credit the work the the apropiate authors. I appologize for this to readers and them.

The Goddess in Jerusalem

Herod Antipas became ruler of the land through the ancient "Sacred Marriage" with the High Queen Mariamne, a priestess of the Triple Goddess Mari-Anna-Ishtar who was popularly worshiped at the time of Christ. This Goddess was noted for her triple-towered temple or "magdala." It is important to note that much of the imagery in the Gospels, especially regarding the Marys, corresponds to the worship of this Goddess Mari-Anna-Ishtar.

the title of Virgin was often bestowed upon sexually active Goddesses. Sacred Temple Prostitutes were often called Virgins . In addition, children of The Sacred Marriage, a ritual union of a temple priestess and a king willing to die for his people, were often called "virgin born" or "divine children," just as Christ was.It is possible that Mother Mary was dedicated to a Goddess temple when she was a child. Perhaps Mother Mary was a temple priestess, thus making Jesus (or Yeshua) a divine child. There is even stronger evidence that Mary Magdalen was a temple priestess, so perhaps this is the true connection between Mother Mary and Mary Magdalen.

Ishtar -Woman deified throughout multiple cultures under multiple derivatives of her name. Human wife of the watcher Shemyhaza, to whom it is said he revealed how to use the name of YHWH in ritual magic. She appears throughout ancient and modern culture as “the Queen of Heaven”, the mother goddess, the earth goddess, the Madonna. Often portrayed as a mermaid in connection with her status as chief of sirens. She is the personified “whore of Babylon” spoken in Revelation. Hebrew” Ishah+taher “pure woman”.

siren -A spirit of a human female who was joined to a heavenly being in marital union during her mortal life. Capable of possession of living human beings and associated with bodies of water, they are known for specifically targeting men through lust and destroying them.

Yahushua -Proper Hebrew name of Messiah, literally meaning : “the salvation of YAH”.

Four pieces of Gospel evidence strongly point to Mary Magdalen as a temple priestess of the Goddess. The first is her title "Magdalen," almost identical to "Magdala," noted earlier to be the name of the triple-towered temple of the Goddess Mari-Anna-Ishtar (D). Literally, "Mary of the Magdala" signifies "Mary of the Goddess Temple." Christian tradition has said that Mary is of the town "Magdala" or "Migdal," which was known as "The Village of Doves," a place where sacred doves were bred for the Goddess temple (F). In either case, two threads of strong symbolism link the name Magdalen to contemporary Goddess worship.

Mary is known as a prostitute, just as the Goddess priestesses were titled "Sacred Prostitutes," although a more recent and accurate translation titles them "Sacred Women" or "hierodulae".Such prostitutes were considered evil by Jewish leaders of the time. That Jesus/Yeshua would associate with such a woman would indeed invoke the scorn of his disciples, as is recorded in the New Testament.

Thirdly, Mary Magdalen is identified in Mark and Luke as the woman who was possessed by seven demons, which Yeshua cast out of her. The seven demons were a symbolic part of a temple ritual known as "The Descent of Inanna," one of the most ancient ceremonies known, recorded in the Epic of Gilgamesh. This ritual was known to be practiced in the Jerusalem temple of Mari-Anna-Ishtar.

The last, and perhaps strongest, piece of evidence is the anointing of Yeshua with the sacred oil, an event which was recorded in all four New Testament Gospels, pointing to its significance. The anointing of the Jesus' head with oil (as described in Mark 14:3-4) is an unmistakable symbol of The Sacred Marriage, a ceremony performed by temple priestesses.

Many scholars have documented the fact that Jesus was supported by political zealots who wished to overthrow the Romans and put a Son of David on the throne in Jerusalem. In fact, it is much more likely that Jesus was crucified, not for blasphemy which was no offense to the Romans, but for sedition. Crucification was the common punishment for insurrectionists, hence the title over his cross, "Jesus Christ, King of the Jews"

If indeed a strong faction of zealots wished to see Yeshua on the throne, he certainly would have been married to a suitable bride. It has been suggested that the Wedding of Canna, where Jesus turned the water into wine, was actually the symbolic story of his own marriage to Mary of Bethany. "Cana" is the root for "zealot," and the water into wine may represent the new covenant for the people of Jerusalem.

Some believe that Yeshua himself took part in the Sacred Marriage with Mary Magdalen, as the anointing foretold. The Sacred Marriage was a ceremony to renew the land, at times was followed by the death of the redeemer/king who was called upon to sacrifice his blood for the people."Mari-Ishtar anointed or christened her doomed god when he went into the underworld, whence he would rise again at her bidding. That is, she made him a Christ. Her priestess raised the lament for him when he died. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, victims were told She 'who anointed you with fragrant oil laments for you now' "

Anointing the head with oil had Biblical precedent in announcing kingship and was well known to be symbolic of the Sacred Marriage ceremony. When Mary anointed Yeshua's head with sacred oil, he foretold his own death: "She has come beforehand to anoint my body for burial. What this woman has done will be told as a memorial to her" (Mark 14:8-9). Immediately afterwards, Judas Iscariot, whose name means "zealot" went out to betray him, for he understood that Jesus was going to sacrifice his life, not rule as king.

ok, so I found the sources I used for my notes, I have no Idea what is from where but here they are with the exception of a few I guess.

northernway.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

timenolonger.wordpress.com...

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Ok,
so now I can begin.

What we have here then I guess is a division being made between Jesus' male apostles and his priestess. If it was Jesus' intention to rehash the Jewish faith to better align with the olden religions, and in the process establish a new covenant through his bride and his children , it would explain why the church has persecuted his descendants since.

The black Madonna, Mary Magdalena has had devoted worship since the early church and may have in fact been at the heart of the early Christian church. The reason why so many works have been eliminated from the bible was because they directly linked her as the way to Christ's promised kingdom. She was the one Christ revealed his secret teachings to, which made the apostles very jealous, a jealousy made very apparent throughout the gospels.

Could it be that since Jesus renounced his worldly kingdom in favor of his occult belief in establishing a lineage through his priestess wife to ancient Babylonian traditions, his apostles felt slighted and lied to.
They made far too many warnings of usurpers of Jesus' message to be simply concerned about it being taken over by Satan.


Satan -Hebrew literal meaning: “accuser, adversary, one who opposes”. Chief of a vast rebellion of spiritual beings which took place in the heavens prior to the creation of mankind. “Satan” is not a name itself, but a descriptive title of the Seraph who led this insurrection and also tempted the first humans to disobey their Creator.

Lucifer -Title ascribed to a chief fallen spiritual being in Isaiah chapter 14. Used in a modern context as a proper name for Satan though the title is neither a name nor describes Satan. Most applicably applied to a fallen Watcher, the Hebrew title is literally “heylel:, literally ” to shine or boast”.

Was the threat to the church as they saw it a return of this different apostle´s message. Are they in fact not the legitimate messengers Christ intended, the catholic church?

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posted on Jan, 28 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by metalshredmetal
it's all about astrology, the only science that sustains true OVER TIME.


Except astrology is not science, it is just made up crap





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