Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the
downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont
you know that you can count me out?"
Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that
religion doesn't have an exclusive.
BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The
issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute
against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam
War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed
conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me
out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.
Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.
He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.
Read a book.
My point still stands and, for the record, I've read more books than you ever will in your lifetime. His song was about PRECISELY what I said it was.
Every wannabe revolutionary in the world hit up the Beatles to join their cause. "We all want change the world." Here are some of the lyrics that
perhaps you conveniently forgot about:
"We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out"
--There's your anti-violence issue.
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
--Interesting phrase. First of all, people want a revolution, but really have no idea what to replace the current structure with. None at all. That's
what he was saying, "Show me!" Secondly, here's the part about folks hitting him up for money--just like I said. At this point (and in this version)
Lennon is NOT wanting to tear down institutions.
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
--Now that's interesting. He's saying, No, we don't want to change the constitution, we need to change YOUR mind from the craziness its espousing.
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
--And here we go back to the idea that Mao (or Che or whomever) actually has a solution worth paying attention to. According to Lennon, he doesn't.
You can
read more here about Lennon;s struggles with what he even felt as well as the Left's
angry reaction to the song.
Were you even alive when the song came out? Didn't think so.
edit on 1/31/2012 by schuyler because: (no reason given)
