"God is an Imaginary Friend" Athiest Billboards in Denver-

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by IAMIAM
60 years is a long time to believe something and then suddenly no longer believe it. I imagine such a change, if the belief was deep and sincere, would be a bit traumatic.



You're wrong.


Jesus christ you are not a very chipper person, are you?


If this is what religion and non religion is doing to people then get me the **** out.
Try a smile on, it may hurt at first, but i promise you it looks better.
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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As Brother IAMIAM said, Atheism is also a belief.

And the religion (that human constructed abstract) supporting that belief is science.

As with any other creed, blindly and acritically embracing religion (i.e. science) leads to fundamentalism.

And Annee, you should really try to be more tolerant. Isn't that what being an atheist is all about?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by RadioKnecht
As Brother IAMIAM said, Atheism is also a belief.

And the religion (that human constructed abstract) supporting that belief is science.

As with any other creed, blindly and acritically embracing religion (i.e. science) leads to fundamentalism.

And Annee, you should really try to be more tolerant. Isn't that what being an atheist is all about?


Hold the phone there, junior…

This is a thread about a billboard put up by an Atheist and the condemnation such a billboard is getting.

What does that have to do with Atheists needing to be more tolerant? More tolerant of what? Being told to not display billboards? Annee can be however she wants. If you don't like HER message, don't read what she has to say.

First Amendment. Look it up.

Also, your assertion that Atheism is a 'belief' is ludicrous. It is an absence of belief in a deity. Atheism does not make someone a 'believer' in Science. It is possible to be both an Atheist AND someone that knows NOTHING about science.
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs


Hold the phone there, junior…

This is a thread about a billboard put up by an Atheist and the condemnation such a billboard is getting.

What does that have to do with Atheists needing to be more tolerant? More tolerant of what? Being told to not display billboards? Annee can be however she wants. If you don't like HER message, don't read what she has to say.

First Amendment. Look it up.

Also, your assertion that Atheism is a 'belief' is ludicrous. It is an absence of belief in a deity. Atheism does not make someone a 'believer' in Science. It is possible to be both an Atheist AND someone that knows NOTHING about science.
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Of course Annee can be however she wants.

However, wouldn't it be nicer if we learnt to be MORE TOLERANT of people believing in something that others do not believe in, hopefully without having snappy bitter answers rather than well thought out replies?

Atheism IS a belief system. Not believing in God, whether you like it or not, is a belief in itself and paradoxically, being an atheist also takes a big leap of faith.

I do not have irrefutable proof that God exists and yet I believe in him. This is called faith.

Atheists do not have irrefutable proof either that God does NOT exist, and still, they do not believe in him. Do you get it? This belief that God does not exist, without any proof to back it up, also takes faith.

And that is how BELIEVING that something/someone does not exist, also takes faith.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Atheists do not have irrefutable proof either that God does NOT exist, and still, they do not believe in him. Do you get it? This belief that God does not exist, without any proof to back it up, also takes faith.


I get it,,,,,,

It is called Logic.

A supreme being as explained by religions is just not logical..........

But most are too narrow minded to see it that way...................

Example: who created god? answer; he has always been there...........



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by RadioKnecht

Originally posted by Furbs


Hold the phone there, junior…

This is a thread about a billboard put up by an Atheist and the condemnation such a billboard is getting.

What does that have to do with Atheists needing to be more tolerant? More tolerant of what? Being told to not display billboards? Annee can be however she wants. If you don't like HER message, don't read what she has to say.

First Amendment. Look it up.

Also, your assertion that Atheism is a 'belief' is ludicrous. It is an absence of belief in a deity. Atheism does not make someone a 'believer' in Science. It is possible to be both an Atheist AND someone that knows NOTHING about science.
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Of course Annee can be however she wants.

However, wouldn't it be nicer if we learnt to be MORE TOLERANT of people believing in something that others do not believe in, hopefully without having snappy bitter answers rather than well thought out replies?

Atheism IS a belief system. Not believing in God, whether you like it or not, is a belief in itself and paradoxically, being an atheist also takes a big leap of faith.

I do not have irrefutable proof that God exists and yet I believe in him. This is called faith.

Atheists do not have irrefutable proof either that God does NOT exist, and still, they do not believe in him. Do you get it? This belief that God does not exist, without any proof to back it up, also takes faith.

And that is how BELIEVING that something/someone does not exist, also takes faith.



You seem to be confused.

Not having something =/= having something else.

Say you have an apple, and I do not. Does that mean I have something else? No. It simply means I do not have an apple.

Theist Perspective: Man1 offers apple to Man2 without an apple.

Atheist Perspective: Man2 looks at Man1 claiming to have apple. Man2 has no idea what an apple is, and can clearly see that the Man1's hands are empty.

As you can see from the example, the Atheist isn't 'believing' that the Theist doesn't have an apple. The Theist appears empty handed to the Atheist.

This is how Atheism is NOT of belief, it is the ABSENCE of belief.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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No matter how you guys try to spin it, a lack of belief in your god is absolutely, unequivocally not the same as having faith in there not being a god. Say someone comes up to you and tells you they had two heads but one of them fell off just down the road. You'd immediately think "this is bull", right? You wouldn't believe it and rightly so. You file it away as a tall tale and go on your merry way. Where is the leap of faith in that situation? You just instinctively know it's utter nonsense; no leap of faith required.

There's also the 'you can't prove my god DOESN'T exist' argument. Personally, I don't see any need for me or any other atheist to prove it one way or the other. I'm not making any claims. The way I see it, I was born with no belief in any gods, a story was presented to me, as fact, that I simply do not believe because far too much of it is preposterous to my mind. Again, no leap of faith required. I just don't believe the story.

Someone else earlier in the thread mentioned something about atheism leaving no room for morals, which is an absolute load of ill-informed claptrap. The motto I live by is 'don't be a dick to others'. I think the overbearing, Christian fundamentalist busybodies could do with sitting down and having a little think about that. I'm sure Jesus would be pleased if they did.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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These threads have been prevalent for years.

Atheists vs. Christians vs. Everyone Else vs. Atheists vs. Christians

These types of conversations can be quite interesting... can be.

Most times they do more harm than good.

Perhaps it's time to use our combined brain power on something more productive.

It's hard to make progress when each party thinks the other has a severe lack in logic.

Just a consideration.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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The NWO wants to eliminate religion.
They will cause us to go to war with each other. they will use nukes. They will have a reason to employ a world government. They will use you as slaves. Your children will never know freedom. The US constitution is a needle in the hay stack. It only comes once in a couple thousand years. That much freedom. They will erase it along with history. Dont buy into it.

If you love your god, end perpetual war. Iran is no threat, The world leaders in bed with each other are the enemy.
They hate your religion. They will erase it. Resist. dont deploy to wars you know are lies. Like Iraq. Like Vietnam. Like them all. resist. Dont kill your fellow man. Dont give them an excuse to act for your own good, really it's for their advantage. Resist good people. IF you love your religion´s god. End perpetual war. Stop WW3 before it starts.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
 


Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"


Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.

BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.

Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
 


Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"


Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.

BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.

Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?


Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.

He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.

Read a book.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by RadioKnecht
As Brother IAMIAM said, Atheism is also a belief.



NO - its NOT!!!!

Atheist is an adjective that means one thing and one thing only. Lack of belief in a deity. No matter how you try to twist it - - "lack of belief" does not mean "belief".

Each individual Atheist can choose to have beliefs if they want to. That is called Atheist Philosophy.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by Annee
 


If its any consolation I think the Christian billboards are stupid crap too do you ever read past my first sentence?


I respond to points - - to make a point.

And I do NOT think Atheist billboards are stupid. I think they are necessary.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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I could care less what sort of God is great, God is good, God is absent, From the Hood

billboards they want to put up. I don't care.

I'm much more concerned about "Adult Entertainment billboards" mainly because when my son was 6 or so, he asked me what it meant and THEN, when I explained it, what made it ADULT.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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anything in line with the NWO and its agenda is not necessary. It is wrong. humanity has been just fine with morals and guidance from religion. people like the Khazar have taken over religion so as to render it obsolete.

They want us to lose religion, so I say dont let them take it away. In the end they seek our ruin. screw them. resist all they do. NWO must be stopped by all means necessary.

they say no religion, you really want to follow their plan?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by bronxbull
They want us to lose religion, so I say dont let them take it away. In the end they seek our ruin. screw them. resist all they do. NWO must be stopped by all means necessary.

they say no religion, you really want to follow their plan?


Spoken like a "believer".

Just ignore the rest of us.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.

Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?


wow - it sure does - it puts your spin on it

nice try - but you don't get to commandeer Lennon to make an anti-OWS point :-)

that was then and this is now - and saying no to violent protest is in no way shape or form saying no to OWS

I do wonder what John would think of the billboards though

guess we'll never know...



:-)

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
 


Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"


Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.

BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.

Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?


Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.

He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.

Read a book.


My point still stands and, for the record, I've read more books than you ever will in your lifetime. His song was about PRECISELY what I said it was. Every wannabe revolutionary in the world hit up the Beatles to join their cause. "We all want change the world." Here are some of the lyrics that perhaps you conveniently forgot about:

"We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out"

--There's your anti-violence issue.

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait

--Interesting phrase. First of all, people want a revolution, but really have no idea what to replace the current structure with. None at all. That's what he was saying, "Show me!" Secondly, here's the part about folks hitting him up for money--just like I said. At this point (and in this version) Lennon is NOT wanting to tear down institutions.

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead

--Now that's interesting. He's saying, No, we don't want to change the constitution, we need to change YOUR mind from the craziness its espousing.

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

--And here we go back to the idea that Mao (or Che or whomever) actually has a solution worth paying attention to. According to Lennon, he doesn't.

You can read more here about Lennon;s struggles with what he even felt as well as the Left's angry reaction to the song.

Were you even alive when the song came out? Didn't think so.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
 


Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"


Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.

BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.

Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?


Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.

He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.

Read a book.


My point still stands and, for the record, I've read more books than you ever will in your lifetime. His song was about PRECISELY what I said it was. Every wannabe revolutionary in the world hit up the Beatles to join their cause. "We all want change the world." Here are some of the lyrics that perhaps you conveniently forgot about:

"We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out"

--There's your anti-violence issue.

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait

--Interesting phrase. First of all, people want a revolution, but really have no idea what to replace the current structure with. None at all. That's what he was saying, "Show me!" Secondly, here's the part about folks hitting him up for money--just like I said. At this point (and in this version) Lennon is NOT wanting to tear down institutions.

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead

--Now that's interesting. He's saying, No, we don't want to change the constitution, we need to change YOUR mind from the craziness its espousing.

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

--And here we go back to the idea that Mao (or Che or whomever) actually has a solution worth paying attention to. According to Lennon, he doesn't.

You can read more here about Lennon;s struggles with what he even felt as well as the Left's angry reaction to the song.

Were you even alive when the song came out? Didn't think so.
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go…

Another person who has done more than I will ever do in an entire lifetime…

John Lennon was not anti revolution, as you claim.

He was anti-idiocy.

Violence, Idiocy, and of course, asking him to take part in either.

Read bother book, the ones you have haven't helped much.



posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by hadriana
I could care less what sort of God is great, God is good, God is absent, From the Hood

billboards they want to put up. I don't care.

I'm much more concerned about "Adult Entertainment billboards" mainly because when my son was 6 or so, he asked me what it meant and THEN, when I explained it, what made it ADULT.
I'm with you. I just hate billboards in general. They are ugly blights on the landscape most times and some advertise things I'd rather not have to explain to a kid who is old enough to read them but too young for the content to be relevant or appropriate. TV, I can turn off or not have around at all, and I can monitor Internet and books and magazines. But I can't control all the crap blaring at me on a billboard or from the side of a bus. I can tune it out to a degree but it's all busy and ugly and adds to the "white noise" of modern life. I'm sick of having my senses bombarded by advertising 24x7, I don't care who it is or what the message is, I'm anti billboard, not anti atheist.

Burma Shave! ...sorry it just popped into my mind.





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