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U.S Troops fire at a crowd, 10 killed.

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posted on Apr, 15 2003 @ 01:54 PM
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Enraged by the interruption, the governor is said to have shouted back, accusing the crowd to be members of Saddams Fedayeen. Hell broke loose instantly even as the governor was escorted by some US soldiers back to his office building. Eye-witnesses said that the US soldiers climbed a building and then started firing on the crowd.

The US military however denied that its troops had opened fire suo-motto. We came under fire from an opposite building and our troops responded, said a US military spokesman. He could not however say whether the gunmen, who allegedly had been firing upon the soldiers, had been killed. --- Al Jazeera


joehayner, perhaps you are mistaken about the moral standards of your current countries political leadership..

everything fits : A lying President, a war for profit, not cleaning up DU, trying to exterminate Baath leadership, carpet bombing madness, firing at crowds that dont support american opinion, refusing neutral UN's management of Iraq, etc ...

Gazrok, Al Jazeera mentions several sources




posted on Apr, 15 2003 @ 01:56 PM
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Here's a thought. They came under fire from another building, right? Well could those people in the other building have been shooting at the crowd instead?

That's all for today, I'll be back tomorrow.



posted on Apr, 15 2003 @ 02:23 PM
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Thats my point. the shooters in the other build could have just as well hit the civilians and considering their contempt for the Iraqi people who don't support Saddam, i'd say its much more likely that the soldiers returned fire TOWARD the building the snyper fire came from. Of course we still have to admit terror groups are in Iraq and that another argument that they'll nevre admit a possibility of because it links Hussein to 911.


AF1

posted on Apr, 15 2003 @ 02:40 PM
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This whole situation reminds me of a movie with Samuel L. Jackson called "Rules of Engangement." The exact same thing happened when his troops took fire from a crowd and ended up firing back.



posted on Apr, 15 2003 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by AF1
This whole situation reminds me of a movie with Samuel L. Jackson called "Rules of Engangement." The exact same thing happened when his troops took fire from a crowd and ended up firing back.



But there's only one difference between that movie and what happened in Iraq and that is the civilizians werent firing a gun. They were UNARMED. The worst they could possibly have done was throw rocks at the troops.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 07:48 AM
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The soldiers came under barrage by rocks and sniper attacks...

still other reports said that our soldiers did not fire....

A day later, and this thing is still no clearer...



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 08:37 AM
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Mokuhadzushi, what the hell are you talking about?!? "Psychotic killers", "Nervous boys"? Your starting to sound like an idiot! No matter what age any Marine is, they all go through the same discipline and training! And trust me, US Marines are well disciplined and wouldn't fire at an unarmed crowd. You have to stop listening to Al-Jazera. According to Reuters (a more trust-worthy news source), the protest turned violent and people starting shooting at the Marines, and they fired back in self-defense. CENTCOM has also confirmed this.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 09:08 AM
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www.reuters.com...;jsessionid=CKDEOT3KQNZTOCRBAEZSFEY?type=topNews&storyID=2576206



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 10:16 AM
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Stories from a pretty reliable newssource :

www.iraqwar.ru...

www.iraqwar.ru...

Marines may be well trained for combat, but are useless , and apparently even dangerous, in civilian control operations... it's not what the gorillas are trained for.


[Edited on 16-4-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 11:12 AM
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Have you been through their training?

The ones that I am fortunate enough to call good friends have spoken about the kind of policing and crowd control, civilian interaction, etc. training that they've had. They aren't just trained to kill....



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 12:04 PM
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I know you read the superman comica and i know you think marines are supermen and cant do anything wrong. There lies your error.

It is a well known fact that civilian control is an eminently much harder task than combat, and it is a well known fact that killer personalities are adept for combat, but not for civilian op's.

It is a political mistake to place killers in the vicinity of civilians. And these repeated gunnings of civilians are the consequence. But perhaps it is a conscious political decision ? Terrorizing the iraqi people into consent may be part of the occupation agenda. There is evidence for that, since the US is trying to exterminate the Baath Party, which has many followers and is very popular among Iraqis. It could even be possible that Saddam Hussein would win democratic elections in Iraq.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 12:13 PM
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Are you saying marines have the personality of a killer! Some of my friends are marines! The last thing that they would want to do is kill a person. The only reason they are in the service is to get into good physical/mental condition. Plus it's good pay. Trust me when I say that marines wouldn't fire for no reason. They would have to feel very physically threatened. They are trained not to fire unless absolutly necessary.

Watch yourself before you make accusations.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 12:27 PM
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Trust me when I say that marines wouldn't fire for no reason. They would have to feel very physically threatened. They are trained not to fire unless absolutly necessary.


Your blind glorification is exact military propaganda. You can hear from anyone that has been into a real combat situation that everything is very different from any training situation. And training for civilian op's is completely different and even contradicts combat conditioning. Training for both is next to impossible.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 12:59 PM
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How is it any different in a combat situation. (just a question, want to see how you answer)



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 01:35 PM
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well, the situation is real not simulated .. that's quite a huge difference .. think of the difference between car driving theory and practice



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 01:39 PM
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That's a good reply. It makes sense.

But even in combat, marines don't just shoot at what ever moves. They shoot at what they feel is a threat, or what their commander feels is a threat. They do use common sense though. Shooting at an unarmed crowd is not somthing a marine would do.(at least not one who wants an honorable discharge)

That causes problems for both sides in the war.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 02:08 PM
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Excuse me but there IS a war going on. Some good advice; if you don't want a marine to shoot you, don't point your gun at him / her and fire. You can protest til you're blue in the face, you can throw rocks, bottles and even crap if your sanitary nature allows but once you raise a gun and fire at these guys, you are going to get shot. The only newsworthy aspect of this is the fact that this suprises some of you.



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by joehayner
Shooting at an unarmed crowd is not somthing a marine would do.(at least not one who wants an honorable discharge)


Then there must have been an order to kill the civilians...



posted on Apr, 16 2003 @ 10:18 PM
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Mokuhadzushi, why should a marine wait until one of his men is dead before deciding to defend himself under fire? Obviously the crowd of civilians was hostile if they were firing at them. And how do you know that they were civilians? They could have been para-military dressed as civilians, they're known to do that. As much as you are hoping that we just decided to mow down 12 people I seriously doubt that was the case. We are there to liberate the people, that's why we have been very carefully with our bombing's ect. We have no reason to kill innocent civilians unless we come under fire or something, then it's obvious that the crowd is hostile.



posted on Apr, 17 2003 @ 01:06 AM
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It's a simple case. Marines are fired upon, they defend themselves. In larger crowds of people there is much confusion and it's almost impossible for innocent people not to get caught in it.

Of course I still go back to my position of a no win situation. You complain that they let people loot and how bad they are for not policing. But Policing means having to use force which once used, you complain they are using force. You decide. Either they police and there are innocent casualties like this, or they let people loot. You can't have both. Either way ignorant people will complain because they just don't understand the complexity of these situation. Especially those who are not out to find the truth and be open minded, but rather just push their personal cause.

Yes, they are psycho killers trained to eliminate innocent civillians. In fact everyone in the US is. We all have chips in us and are controlled by Bush, Elvis, and the Borg. The only goal is to overtake the world so as to solve all parking problems. We won't rest until all the good people are destroyed and will only make deals with dictators. There are no mistakes, unless it benefits someone else or makes us look bad.

Now if some other these conspiracy freaks theories were really true, they would have just nuked the whole place and been done with it. Oh wait, but then it would be a long time before we could park there....

OK, sorry, done having fun.



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