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1 Corinthians 6:19-20 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
1 John 4:7-15 7 Dear friends let us love one another, for love comes from God. EVERYONE WHO LOVES has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Mathew 7:1-2 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Colossians 3:11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL.
1 John 2:11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Mathew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Luke 23:24 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
1 John 4:18 there is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.
Mathew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Why does everyone seem to want to own Jesus? Isn't it better if we just realize that he owns us? I am getting tired of this member’s only club, full of self righteous members. Jesus only loves and saves those who love him. What is wrong with all of you? When will you start to love your neighbor and your enemies? Jesus isn’t looking for your membership card, what he is looking for is for you to show love to the world so that they might see Jesus working in you.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Do you think if you are full of self righteousness and Judgment that Jesus is working in you? Do you really believe that condemning someone to hell proves that Jesus is working in you? Do you think you are self righteous without sin, or that you have done something more deserving of heaven than anyone else?
When will you listen to Jesus so he can work in you?
1 John 4:7-15 7 Dear friends let us love one another, for love comes from God. EVERYONE WHO LOVES has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Everyone who loves is born of God. God is love, without God man cannot know love. What does this mean? Many non Christians are loving, how do you explain this verse?
Mathew 7:1-2 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
When are you going to listen, stop judging and start loving. All who love are born of God. EVERYONE WHO LOVES IS BORN OF GOD, Therefore they are YOUR BROTHER.
1 John 2:11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Stop walking around in the darkness, Jesus loves us all. Wake up so you can see.
Mathew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Luke 23:24 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Do you see here that Jesus says clearly that you WILL BE FORGIVEN for speaking against the son of man? Then he forgives the ones who not only did not believe him but crucified him.
1 John 4:18 there is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Stop spreading the doctrine of fear, hate and judgment so you can be made perfect in love.
Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.
Start listening to God, pick up the bible and read it for yourself, stop following the traditions that have been handed down to you, from the church that loves your money more than your salvation.
Mathew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
edit on 23-1-2012 by sacgamer25 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by sacgamer25
Why do you only quote certain verses but ignore the rest if it bursts your universalist bubble? There are quotes that basically say if you have the Son you are saved but if you don't God will be wrathful.
You even ignore scriptures which states that it is possible to misread scriptures. Who is it addressed to, do you think? If the recipients of that message have the Holy Spirit, and therefore cannot be wrong, why does it state the contrary IN SCRIPTURE ITSELF?
False Teachers and the Love of Money 1 Timothy 3-10
These are the things you are to teach and insist on. 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sacgamer25
Lol. Members only club? .
Take a look around, do you see anyone that doesn't already belong to Christ that wants anything to do with him? We couldn't give them Christ no matter how hard we try because they do not want him and they do not want him because they haven't been chosen to love him and be one of his. He is not their King so why should they want him?
A Warning Against Hypocrisy
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and YOU ARE ALL BROTHERS. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by sacgamer25
Why do you only quote certain verses but ignore the rest if it bursts your universalist bubble? There are quotes that basically say if you have the Son you are saved but if you don't God will be wrathful.
You even ignore scriptures which states that it is possible to misread scriptures. Who is it addressed to, do you think? If the recipients of that message have the Holy Spirit, and therefore cannot be wrong, why does it state the contrary IN SCRIPTURE ITSELF?
Show me the verses and I will show you how the church has misinterpreted scripture, I will do so by showing you other verses that your interpretation clearly contradicts. There is not one verse in the scripture that my post contradicts. There are far more verses that I could post to prove this but no one on ATS wants to read a 30 min sermon.
I currently have a seven page document that is over 50% scripture that proves what I am saying. I add to it daily verses that support what I am saying. So the challenge to prove me wrong is with you. I do not contradict the bible, and I can prove to you that what you believe clearly contradicts the bible.
You are correct scripture does say that false teachers and false profits will come and teach a message that is contrary to the truth, and that the see the word of God as a means to financial gain.
I am not looking for financial gain but I know those who are. Do you
False Teachers and the Love of Money 1 Timothy 3-10
These are the things you are to teach and insist on. 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Who is it that is charging people to hear what they call the word of God each week? I know that I do not, nor would I ever even think to do this. Food, clothing, and maybe a place to lay their head were the only things the Apostles accepted on their own behalf. They received only what they needed to survive.
Anyone who has been given interpretation from the Holy Spirit will understand this verse.
Mathew 10:8 Freely you have received, freely give.
I can guarantee you are twisting scriptures if you claim that believing in Jesus is not the only way to heaven. People cannot claim ignorance anymore: they hear the truth and reject it.
Mathew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Originally posted by 547000
Read the whole bible and stop picking interpretations of verses that contradict other ones. Maybe if you did not have the delusion that you have the gift of interpretation you would be able to admit you are wrong. It doesn't matter what verse I throw at you, you will twist it and claim you have the Holy Spirit and that is why you are right. The hell with what the bible and tradition says, we have to make it say what we want to fit our modern philosophies, right? If you want to truly learn google as to why universalism is false.
I can love non-Christians, but I will not lie to them or give them false hope.edit on 26-1-2012 by 547000 because: (no reason given)
Youre right. Universalism the doctrine of "all roads lead to heaven" is already decieving billions. The great deception has already begun. These people are going to believe their delusions that there are other paths to heaven than Christ no matter what we say. The wheat and the tares are being separated as we speak.
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by sacgamer25
At least pay attention to the miracles of the saints. God says his disciples would be able to do wonders. Only Catholic Church has such first-class miracles. I had the experience of a Catholic miracle myself. Jesus Himself said if you can't follow Him for His teachings, at least believe Him because of His miracles. You can either say "they are liars" or "the Devil is doing it". I implore you to study these miracles and try to UNDERSTAND what Catholics say. Protestants are indoctrinated to hate the Church without even understanding its positions.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Considering universalism: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." and "If any one remaineth not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth."
James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”
Mark 3:11 And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”
Mark 5:7 And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.”
Matthew 7:22-23 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sacgamer25
Lol. Members only club? .
Take a look around, do you see anyone that doesn't already belong to Christ that wants anything to do with him? We couldn't give them Christ no matter how hard we try because they do not want him and they do not want him because they haven't been chosen to love him and be one of his. He is not their King so why should they want him?