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How we would fight China

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ixtab


Rule 2 of war. It is: "Do not go fighting with your land armies in China".


Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein,

British military commander of World War II, victor of El Alamein.

Incidentally Rule 1 was "Do not march on Moscow"


Or ignore that and follow the mantra of Genghis - attack fast and hard and always have a plan of retreat.




posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Oddly enough China has ran out of chop sticks, they import them from America.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Yeah, maybe a thousand years ago, lucky for us your not a general.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Actually, it is just as relevent today as it was then. China has a huge but slow army - fast, hard aimed attacks would go a long way to achieving the required goals.

Obviously though a war with China would be in no one's interest - death and destruction would be far higher than in World War 2.

The point though is that as formidable as China is, it certainly is not undefeatable. If you think it is i would suggest in actual fact that it is a good job you are not a general either!



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Honestly the thinking on this forum is just plain retarded - China is never going to engage you MILITARILY, until you are completely collapsed and it becomes a mopping up exercise - they have the vulnerability o the three gorges dam for one thing!

They are going to (have) driven around your nuclear Maginot line.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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China and Russia is not like the US. They do not dictate who you can trade or be friends with and they do not bring an entire naval battle group to your shores. At least Russia had the decency to back off during the Cuban Crisis. Imagine if they had the same mentality what would have happened. With power comes responsibility ...not the show of strength. With N. Korea just next door to China its just a matter of time before things will spin out of control when the spotlight turns to N. Korea. What will China do when the American naval battle group turn up in its doorstep? Close one eye and pretend its not there. These are things that will create tensions and the world can surely do without.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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I pity the OP, obviously most who commented never took the time to actually read the article at all and immediately jump into some nationalistic rhetorics. What a waste of your time to post it here.

I do think I will keep on dropping by, as once in a year or many many months time, some brilliant OP like this, either it be a commentary, referral read or theory will pop up in ATS.... starred you



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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do you think you can fight china? i mean, if you do, they will cutt of the iphones supply for america and the world!!


havent you all thought that there are more chineese outside china that inside?

edit on 30-1-2012 by Questioneer05 because: i missed the lol



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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I see what you did... Brilliant... Starve them out!

OR, just turn down the lights 75%...



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Only way to defeat Chinese Communists :

Increase prosperity , liberty and justice to your own population .

There is no other way to fight the " Chinese " .



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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The U.S. has no intention of starting a War with China...and China has no desire to piss off the U.S. as we are their number one customer of GOODS as well as we owe them money...money they would never be able to collect payments on if War broke out.

This is one of the main reasons why China issued a statement saying it would not defend IRAN if hostilities broke out with the U.S.

China will change into a Democracy within 20 years...perhaps sooner. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
The U.S. has no intention of starting a War with China...and China has no desire to piss off the U.S. as we are their number one customer of GOODS as well as we owe them money...money they would never be able to collect payments on if War broke out.

This is one of the main reasons why China issued a statement saying it would not defend IRAN if hostilities broke out with the U.S.

China will change into a Democracy within 20 years...perhaps sooner. Split Infinity


How the hell can a country of 1.2 billion people who individually know little about politics become a democracy? Talk about idealism



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Although China has a ot of poverty in the rural areas...the cities re fast becoming clones of Western style Buisness districts. You do not give the Chinese people their due in understanding and their desire for Democracy and more say on what goes on in their districts.

The Movie AVATAR was very well recieved in China as a comparison of how the Communist ellite were displacing entire communities over energy development projects. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


Although China has a ot of poverty in the rural areas...the cities re fast becoming clones of Western style Buisness districts. You do not give the Chinese people their due in understanding and their desire for Democracy and more say on what goes on in their districts.

The Movie AVATAR was very well recieved in China as a comparison of how the Communist ellite were displacing entire communities over energy development projects. Split Infinity



Democracy is not some "end all" utopian ideal. It only works in societies with the right conditions, usually revolving around liberal societies where the private sector rivals government. The whole point of spreading Western democracy is so private sector organizations can hijack government policies and functions. While this is already influencing the Chinese government on some level already, the Chinese are are not foolish enough to initiate some sham democracy program to hide the truth like we see in western "democracies".

On top of this, there's over a billion potential voters in China. Please explain how a truly democractic election could manage that bureaucratic nightmare?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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I will not say that an immediate change to a Democrtic system won't take time to solve every problem. But as an individual...I would much rather be able to vote in my leaders than have them forced upon me.
Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by 23432


Only way to defeat Chinese Communists :

Increase prosperity , liberty and justice to your own population .

There is no other way to fight the " Chinese " .


why would anyone fight china? the real deal is not them... they are (for the moment) the arms of production of the world...


Originally posted by SplitInfinity
China will change into a Democracy within 20 years...perhaps sooner. Split Infinity


is that really important? usa is supposed to be in democracy, but the command line has been always the same... you vote for someone, that person, will do what "they" want him/her to do...

"presidents are just puppets" does it sound to anyone?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


I will not say that an immediate change to a Democrtic system won't take time to solve every problem. But as an individual...I would much rather be able to vote in my leaders than have them forced upon me.
Split Infinity



So you would rather vote so you can have a false sense of having representative government, while authoritan government can weild much more progressive results for the public interest?

Voting in a federal election in a serious country is a futile effort. Majority of people are uneducated and inexperienced when it comes to such decisions, hence why real politics are carried out by the autocracy.

I'd rather trust an authoritan government than a "democratically" elected regime in modern times, just to avoid the BS. The fact is that politics is about power. Western democracy is nothing more than a competition for who will be the figurehead of that power, and the people in charge will do whatever they can to stay in power. The agenda does not change with new figureheads. I've watched this all of my life, and I've studied it too.

I honestly can't express how hopeless it feels to live in a "democracy" where only two or three major parties, with virtually the same platforms, are allowed to be voted for, while any other party (that is not a part of the pre-destined agenda) is considered "fringe" politics. That's not democracy, and that certainly isn't individual liberty either.

In fact, you would find more real democracy within a socialist society where classes are abolished, because everyone would have equal opportunity to rise up if they are capable, at any level of leadership. Within our western capitalist "democracy", the only way you'll get anywhere as an individual is if you have the right amount of financial backing. From birth, we are already destined to a life of sh*t or a life of prestige depending on the status of our parents. If we don't come from a rich family, then we are expected to be nothing more than workers and if we try to take a real stand in life, we are forced through the cracks of society until our voices become either a whimper or a scream.

So I can't help but pity you and anyone else who believes in western democracy. It's nothing but a system of positive freedom, meaning that you have more freedom if you fall in line with the establishment and less freedom if you make your own path.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Like Mr.XYZ said wars are not fought with military anymore but rather fought economically. The world is to interconnected with trade for there to ever be a world war 3. I can't remember the book but it had a list of rootbeer ingredients, each item came form a different country. Because we would rather have rootbeer then to fight a war we find ways to make it work with Successful rival nations.

Oh and MAD is also a big deterrent. If a war between the U.S and China were to happen(Which it won't, 30 years ago instead of China people were saying Russia
) I think the U.S would win(numbers don't mean much in war) but we would no longer be a superpower. A war with china would be shooting ourselves in the foot(The foot being our industry) and china wouldn't be any better off with no one to pawn slave labor off to anymore.

So I'm wonder who the next big bad guy will be in 30 or so years?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by Questioneer05

Originally posted by 23432


Only way to defeat Chinese Communists :

Increase prosperity , liberty and justice to your own population .

There is no other way to fight the " Chinese " .


why would anyone fight china? the real deal is not them... they are (for the moment) the arms of production of the world...




China is fighting you ( you being a democratic - capitalist ) whether you know it or not .
Unless defeated , the Chinese Communist Party will rule your life in next 20 years .



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


I will not say that an immediate change to a Democrtic system won't take time to solve every problem. But as an individual...I would much rather be able to vote in my leaders than have them forced upon me.
Split Infinity



So you would rather vote so you can have a false sense of having representative government, while authoritan government can weild much more progressive results for the public interest?

Voting in a federal election in a serious country is a futile effort. Majority of people are uneducated and inexperienced when it comes to such decisions, hence why real politics are carried out by the autocracy.

I'd rather trust an authoritan government than a "democratically" elected regime in modern times, just to avoid the BS. The fact is that politics is about power. Western democracy is nothing more than a competition for who will be the figurehead of that power, and the people in charge will do whatever they can to stay in power. The agenda does not change with new figureheads. I've watched this all of my life, and I've studied it too.

I honestly can't express how hopeless it feels to live in a "democracy" where only two or three major parties, with virtually the same platforms, are allowed to be voted for, while any other party (that is not a part of the pre-destined agenda) is considered "fringe" politics. That's not democracy, and that certainly isn't individual liberty either.

In fact, you would find more real democracy within a socialist society where classes are abolished, because everyone would have equal opportunity to rise up if they are capable, at any level of leadership. Within our western capitalist "democracy", the only way you'll get anywhere as an individual is if you have the right amount of financial backing. From birth, we are already destined to a life of sh*t or a life of prestige depending on the status of our parents. If we don't come from a rich family, then we are expected to be nothing more than workers and if we try to take a real stand in life, we are forced through the cracks of society until our voices become either a whimper or a scream.

So I can't help but pity you and anyone else who believes in western democracy. It's nothing but a system of positive freedom, meaning that you have more freedom if you fall in line with the establishment and less freedom if you make your own path.

DIMITRI...I live in Mass. Mass. is a VERY Independently Minded State with a persons vote counting for a GREAT DEAL! Most people when they think of Massachusetts...they think DEMOCRATIC PARTY...but in reality...Mass. has voted in many a REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR while having a DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE. Our Rep. Governor passed UNIVERSAL HEALTH COVERAGE in Mass. and it works very well. If you can't afford it...it is free and I am WEALTHY and my payments have gone down so Universal Health Coverage WORKS.

The point of all of this is...Democracy or better...a Democratic Rebublic is the way to go since pure DEMOCRACY is rule of the majority and this can hurt the rights of the Minority. Where I live...EVERYONE just about gets outs and VOTES and if you don't like the Candidates....RUN YOURSELF! THAT is the beauty of the system. I don't believe in this self defeating Bull S#@!$ when people think they an't change anything. THAT IS CRAP! ONE PERSON can change alot! A perfect example is this saying and question...What is the most lethal and effective weapon on the face of the Earth? Answer...a U.S. Marine and his Rifle or Knife!

A person cannot press a button or turn a key to launch a Nuclear Missle if a Marine either shoots or throws a Knife at that hand. I myself have been in spots...especially when I was much younger and STUPIDER and thought I could never die and I was INDESTRUCTABLE! One person can achieve alot whether it is in the field or in a VOTING BOOTH! Split Infinity



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