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Senator Paul is being detained at the Nashville Airport by the TSA

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


lol what a pathetic response.

I feel sad for you


Please explain why.




posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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I am going to get a job application from the TSA. I am going to see what is required to be an agent or officer. I am going to see if I can find out about the training that is done. I will report.
Meanwhile, if anyone has can help find out their employment statistics by race/gender that would be good.
Based upon countless stories, I believe,
1. Their standards/requirements are very low.
2. The pay is likely higher than comparable security type jobs.
3. The racial breakdown does not reflect the racial demographics of the country or the region.

But, this is speculation, I could be wrong. This speculation is based upon observation and first hand accounts of the experience of air travelers.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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I watched a video interview with Rand Paul after the incident and he did not in any way seem over dramatic. The fact that he is an easily recognized and distiguished Senator should have prompted the TSA officials to allow him to be scanned again. Although this does show preferential treatment, it is something to which the Constitution already provides for him because he is a member of Congress. He is probably correct in his assertion that the random scans of the machine are generated by software or other programming and not based on anything on his person actually setting off the machines' alarm. The TSA was just following procedure? I highly doubt it. Rand and his father have been outspoken critics of the TSA since it's inception. Perhaps this incident will open the eyes of more people to the dangers of the encoaching police state. The TSA position was that they had not actually detained Senator Paul. I'm sorry, but if escort you to another area and won't let you board your flight, that is being detained IMO.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
I am going to get a job application from the TSA. I am going to see what is required to be an agent or officer. I am going to see if I can find out about the training that is done. I will report.
Meanwhile, if anyone has can help find out their employment statistics by race/gender that would be good.
Based upon countless stories, I believe,
1. Their standards/requirements are very low.
2. The pay is likely higher than comparable security type jobs.
3. The racial breakdown does not reflect the racial demographics of the country or the region.

But, this is speculation, I could be wrong. This speculation is based upon observation and first hand accounts of the experience of air travelers.


Can you explain what exactly you are trying to imply???



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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You're already too far gone if you're applauding the TSA for anything.

You're actually enjoying the formation of an Orwellian police state.
edit on 23-1-2012 by r3axion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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No govt agency is above the Constitution. Travel is not justification for warrantless searches.
Question, and a lot of folks here already know the answer. Would SCOTUS approve of these patdowns??



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
I am going to get a job application from the TSA. I am going to see what is required to be an agent or officer. I am going to see if I can find out about the training that is done. I will report.
Meanwhile, if anyone has can help find out their employment statistics by race/gender that would be good.
Based upon countless stories, I believe,
1. Their standards/requirements are very low.
2. The pay is likely higher than comparable security type jobs.
3. The racial breakdown does not reflect the racial demographics of the country or the region.

But, this is speculation, I could be wrong. This speculation is based upon observation and first hand accounts of the experience of air travelers.


Can you explain what exactly you are trying to imply???


apartheid perhaps? who knows. nothing surprises me lol



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Do you have reading comprehension issues?
What are you implying?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


You're already too far gone if you're applauding the TSA for anything.

You're actually enjoying the formation of an Orwellian police state.
edit on 23-1-2012 by r3axion because: (no reason given)


Police state? You don't even know what that means. North Korea is a police state. Is America like that?

You have completely un-censored internet access
You have democratic elections
You have free speech
You have the right to travel where you want

All those things are banned in North Korea, a true police state. Don't talk crap about things you don't know about, you don't know how lucky you are.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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so true!
of course, i have had a bad cold and thought, man this is the worst i've ever felt. and then i had a breast cut off and i was like man THIS is the worst i ever felt. etc.
there are poor people in the usa who still live better than people in africa who would be considered lucky and wealthy in their village because they had a nicer dirt floor than their neighbors. everything is relative to your peer group. i dont think north koreans are the standard here. i think our prior freedom is the standard here



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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While I wasn't the one to make that comment... I completely agree with the poster.

I thought it was sad & pathetic because you gladly accept this procedure. Regardless if it's right, fair, or even constitutional... you having the idea of "rules are rules, they all must be followed NO MATTER WHAT!" (paraphrasing) is absolutely ridiculous.

On a side question... I'd like to know what your nationality is, I'm only asking because I've noticed those that aren't American don't exactly understand or completely get our constitution.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

Do you have reading comprehension issues?
What are you implying?


I just want to see you say in your own words what you are implying.

For what reason does the racial composition of TSA workers have?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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RAND PAUL IS NOW A HERO IN MY MIND TODAY

WHITE HOUSE SUPPORTS TSA

AND YET, CONSTITUTION SPECIFICALLY SAYS NO CONGRESSMAN CAN BE DETAINED....

The U.S. Constitution actually protects federal lawmakers from detention while they’re on the way to the capital.
“The Senators and Representatives…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same….” according to Article I, Section 6.
The Senate is back in session today at 2 p.m., with votes scheduled at 4:30 p.m. It is not clear if Paul will make it to Washington by 4:30 p.m. on his new flight.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Good thing he wasn't detained.

And he had time to sit down for an interview with CNN at 4...so if he didn't make it to the vote...it's his own fault.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Good thing he wasn't detained.

And he had time to sit down for an interview with CNN at 4...so if he didn't make it to the vote...it's his own fault.


good point.
i think this should be addressed.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Oh my goodness... REALLY?! This is getting ridiculous! Leave the poor old man alone he just wants to fix the country! Jeez.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs
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Im not about to jump on your strawman, I will merely repeat my earlier sentiment.

TSA is the law of the land, and the Senator is not above it.

If you don't agree with the law, change it, until then.. it is STILL THE LAW.


The TSA is nowhere near the "law of the land" and is merely an administrative agency created by Congress. The Constitution for the United States of America is the Supreme Law of the Land and the TSA is not - by any stretch of any interpretation - a Constitutionally mandated agency.

Congress certainly has the authority to create administrative agencies but this creation does not exist in a vacuum and those who are employed with the TSA do not have the protection of law if what they do constitutes a gross violation of a persons right.

Using the system to challenge the tyranny of government can be slow and arduous, particularly given the nature of tyranny, but if a Senator was unlawfully detained by the TSA then the chances of expediting the legal challenges to the dubious agency known as the TSA are now much better.

Congress has consistently, since Marbury v. Madison, seen legislation of theirs struck down as unconstitutional. If, as you say, any bogus piece of legislation that comes down the Congressional pike is "the law of the land" how is it that the Supreme Court has the power of judicial review?

Legislation must conform with the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to legislate to begin with. If somehow the legislation authorizing TSA employees certain power is Constitutional, then there is the matter of application of the legislation. If, as applied, the actions are unconstitutional then the TSA employees grossly misapplying legislation are now inextricably bound to their own criminality, and if there is anyone who understands that in the Senate, it is Rand Paul.

Ignorantia juris non excusat!


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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Don't care if he wasn't "detained" (though he was in effect, not allowed to go anywhere without complying, so call it whatever you want), it's a nice opportunity to use the media against itself to get some airtime and point something out.
Lovely!



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Cynicaleye

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


You're already too far gone if you're applauding the TSA for anything.

You're actually enjoying the formation of an Orwellian police state.
edit on 23-1-2012 by r3axion because: (no reason given)


Police state? You don't even know what that means. North Korea is a police state. Is America like that?

You have completely un-censored internet access
You have democratic elections
You have free speech
You have the right to travel where you want

All those things are banned in North Korea, a true police state. Don't talk crap about things you don't know about, you don't know how lucky you are.


USA is on its way to being a police state...the difference is this
1. US media brainwashes citizens via marketing and advertising to buy things they don't need, vote for people that are losers, and to care about issues that don't matter

2. multiple issues with voting and counting of votes have been exposed for decades and yet MSM rarely covers or makes citizens aware.

3. You have almost complete free speech on the internet..(which they have been trying to slowly LOCK DOWN or via SOPA, etc...).not in the real world..there are consequences especially in a bad economy like this you have to be quiet . and we wonder why there are fewer whistleblowers exposing the crime in government or in the big banks who have raped the planet. ALso, is your cellphone and internet a free speech zone STILL if the NSA/CIA is allowed to record everything thru backdoors or spy equipment without a warrant which can incriminate you? DId you know they have the ability to record your voice today..then use that to say anything they want? ask any professional audio engineer who does it for a living

4. TSA is allowed to grab you and frisk you and your kids without due process or cause for frisk. case closed. You SHOULD NOT have to submit rights like this just to travel state to state. NOW tsa is moving INto highways and government buildings...intrastate travel will be limited as well in the end

Bottom LINE- just because big brother is not 15-30 mins from breaking into your home to grab you doesn't mean its not big brother

big brother is a technocrat society using technology, speed, efficiency, and mind programming to corral the sheep...they rarely are overtly IN YOUR FACE here...unless its the TSA. that is why its so important to stop this rogue agency and their doggy training



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Cynicaleye

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


You're already too far gone if you're applauding the TSA for anything.

You're actually enjoying the formation of an Orwellian police state.
edit on 23-1-2012 by r3axion because: (no reason given)


Police state? You don't even know what that means. North Korea is a police state. Is America like that?

You have completely un-censored internet access
You have democratic elections
You have free speech
You have the right to travel where you want

All those things are banned in North Korea, a true police state. Don't talk crap about things you don't know about, you don't know how lucky you are.


I assume you have a tough time reading.

I will quote for emphasis.


the formation of an Orwellian police state


But you're right, SOPA isn't a step towards internet censorship.
Rigged elections are also extremely democratic. Electoral college anyone?
Free speech? See what police do at occupy protests? I can provide videos if you'd like, sweetie. Also the classification criteria for "domestic terrorist" according to the great folks over at Homeland Security aren't exactly advocating "free speech," now are they?
The right to travel where you want, just as long as they can molest you and your little kids first


Like I said, too far gone if you're too idiotic to see what's happening to the country. You're an obedient follower, they love people like you so good job on that one I guess. They don't like people being able to think.




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