Originally posted by devilwasp

a cadet in the RN yeah sure buddy what ever, like i stated i aint in the navy im in the cadets, also they were training for the international compatition i think happened in a couple of weeks after. also one thing, these cadet+soldeirs were 14-19 and were fireing 7.62 rifles at 600 meter without tele site only a site with a small glass that was worse than an iron site , i bet you havnt even HELD weapon never mind fired one. also the cadets competed against the army ,raf ,navy at the SAM which had every kind of shootng.

Now I'm really busting a gut, this is getting more and more ridiculous. How big are these targets they're shooting at from 600m ( with sights worse than iron sights ) ? I imagine about the size of a house
Guns I have shot - Steyr, SLR (FN FAL), shotgun, various bolt action rifles and an M-16 from the australian army during work experience in Y10.

now can you tell me what things you done at 16? got a job at the local mcdonalds? wow i bow down to your greater knowlodge of the military world.

What was I doing, lets see. Started my first business, went to school, had my first girl. I had just turned 17 when I finished school ( Y12 ) and went to university. Yes we had cadets at school and one of my friends was SUO and then joined the Aussie Army in 1994 and ASAS in1997, he's left now. I did cadets for a few years but hate camping so I quit, I had more important things to do.
I know what cadets is all about, you don't impress me with your BS.

Mad Scientist>>

I was a Cadet myself, although an Aircadet.. (looking back on it though we must have been space cadets)

in all fairness, the idea of the cadets is to give you a hint of what it is like in the armed forces (2 days a week..hehe)

we were able to fly gliders, shoot L98's among other weapons and take part in simulated exercises...

In short, speaking from experience, it is NOT the same as active military service and you are treated differently as a cadet.. you are treated as a juvenile..

but anyhow... WE ARE AGAIN OFF THE SUBJECT!!

US-Infantry.. Any good???

(just a hint to you... if you can't follow the plot of a thread, you are gonna be in for a shock this is how you act to commands from senior officers and NCO's...)

Think somebody will be in for a shock.. I have had many friends in Army Cadets, Sea Cadets Combined Cadets and Air Cadets.. some have chosen to pursue a career in the armed forces, some have enjoyed it.. ALL HAVE STATED THE SURPRISE IN THE DIFFERENCE!!

This is not a diss, just speaking from experience..

[edit on 19/9/04 by Klepto]

I've done cadets in Australia Klepto I know what it's about. Your right we should stay on topic, but it's very hard sometimes not to reply to some of these posts - I just can't help myself.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Now I'm really busting a gut, this is getting more and more ridiculous. How big are these targets they're shooting at from 600m ( with sights worse than iron sights ) ? I imagine about the size of a house
Guns I have shot - Steyr, SLR (FN FAL), shotgun, various bolt action rifles and an M-16 from the australian army during work experience in Y10.

they let you shoot fully automatic weaponry when you were 15? wtf kind of gun laws do you have!
oh about 1 metre across is the white area but the actual target was about 1 metre at max,the v.bull was about half the size of a CD. most of our cadets got v.bulls.
ha a 5.8mm omg thats crap.i suppose you have felt the kick of a 7.62 ill give you that, but did you hit the target?
man you guys must have pretty slack gun laws if you let 15 year olds on work exsperience have fully auto weapons

What was I doing, lets see. Started my first business, went to school, had my first girl. I had just turned 17 when I finished school ( Y12 ) and went to university. Yes we had cadets at school and one of my friends was SUO and then joined the Aussie Army in 1994 and ASAS in1997, he's left now. I did cadets for a few years but hate camping so I quit, I had more important things to do.
I know what cadets is all about, you don't impress me with your BS.

mate i could dig in about your personal life but i wont.
you know what cadets is all about do you? mr exspert.
fact is mate your talking about 2 completely diffrent organisations and they do diffrent things you know why cause they were army cadets. wrong bit of terrain son.
all BS huh well belive what you wanna belive but ill just keep up my "web of lies" aka the truth to anyone who wants to listen. if you dont like my posts ignore me.
also really a big diffrence? no offence mate but i dont see how haveing to get up at like 5 am to do a 1 mile jog every day for a week then practice everything we got taught to be a ig differnce to the armed services ,well except the bullets are live and not blanks.

also yeah lets get back on topic.

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[edit on 19-9-2004 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by devilwasp
they let you shoot fully automatic weaponry when you were 15? wtf kind of gun laws do you have!

It's got nothing to do with gun laws , we were on Army property under supervision

oh about 1 metre across is the white area but the actual target was about 1 metre at max,the v.bull was about half the size of a CD. most of our cadets got v.bulls.
ha a 5.8mm omg thats crap.i suppose you have felt the kick of a 7.62 ill give you that, but did you hit the target?

Yeah right at 600m. This is just getting more and more unbelievable, your really digging yourself a whole. let me guess these cadets didn't wear their contacts either when they were shooting

Originally posted by devilwasp

they have rules and regs on how you have to do things.also gun laws apply there in the army they only allow certain things to happen. i mean its dangerous to let a cadet have a gun.

So now your a 16 year old expert on Australian gun laws back in the late 80's ? Please stop I have to go to bed and I'm laughing so hard I can't get to sleep. i've got to show my friends this thread

i'v seen cadets not from sea cadets as well BTW that got 4 x5.1 points (v.bulls) and 3x 5 bulls. let me remind you these weapons were bolt action
single shot weapons. the L81A2 modified rifle. accurate up to 1000 metres.

Erm, with sights worse than iron sights as you stated previously. Where are the other gun toting ATS users, they would laugh their a$$ off at this as well.
The rifles are accurate to 1000m in the hands of experts with telescopic sights. Pull your hand off it.

who would you rather have defending us the americans? at least we know these guys shoot straightish.

sorry devilwasp, mad scientist has got you on this one...

Originally posted by mad scientist


So now your a 16 year old expert on Australian gun laws back in the late 80's ? Please stop I have to go to bed and I'm laughing so hard I can't get to sleep. i've got to show my friends this thread

nope i just know how the army has regulations here and since the australian army is based on the british army then you can only assume they have similar laws.

Erm, with sights worse than iron sights as you stated previously. Where are the other gun toting ATS users, they would laugh their a$$ off at this as well.
The rifles are accurate to 1000m in the hands of experts with telescopic sights. Pull your hand off it.

yes we dont use telescopic site.
IF you'd look you know anything the L98 can be very effective at medium ranges with a SUSAT, but with out its acuracy drops because you have to use an iron site which does not give you a zoomed in view just a direction of where the bullet is going it is acurate but is very hard to get a good shoot with an L98 at medium ranges.

Originally posted by Klepto
sorry devilwasp, mad scientist has got you on this one...

dont be so sure there mate.

oh.. and the L98 is a batty rifle..

worse than the SA80.. and that too is a batty weapon..

oh... one more thing..

I am positive about what had been said by Mad Scientist to be correct.

I choose not to read any further comment on this thread by yourself m'laddie.

I guarantee you, in about 5-6 years, you will look back and laugh at your time in cadets and think to yourself (as all members of cadets in the past have done...) why oh why did I do that... and burn the embarrasing photos similar to that which I had posted earlier inthe thread.

Originally posted by Klepto
oh.. and the L98 is a batty rifle..

worse than the SA80.. and that too is a batty weapon..

oh... one more thing..

I am positive about what had been said by Mad Scientist to be correct.

I choose not to read any further comment on this thread by yourself m'laddie.

I guarantee you, in about 5-6 years, you will look back and laugh at your time in cadets and think to yourself (as all members of cadets in the past have done...) why oh why did I do that... and burn the embarrasing photos similar to that which I had posted earlier inthe thread.

in the hands of an exspert the l86 can hit a target near bull at 1000 im sure.
yeah i probably will but ill cross/burn that bridge when i get to it.
really you think? i prefer the l98 to anything else really,mabye cause its shape?

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The Averaged trained British soldier, trained for 1 year, can hit a target at 500m with an SA80, maybe you were mistaken, and it was 600 YARDS and not 600 METRES?

I was an army Cadet, based with the ranks of the British Artillary, they let us fire SA80's, we were trained with them, and did regular army exercises.
Including War Games with blanks, they took us every so often abroad to goto milltary camps to do alsorts.

I also own guns at my house, I use them quite regularly. Im quite a good marksman, and so is my dad, with a rifle he has hit things at 1000m.

We Cadets were very well trained, I wouldnt knock the cadet forces... junior cadets are another matter though. I wouldnt trust them with a flag pole.

EDIT : TYPO's

[edit on 19-9-2004 by The_Squid]

Originally posted by The_Squid
The Averaged trained British soldier, trained for 1 year, can hit a target at 500m with an SA80, maybe you were mistaken, and it was 600 YARDS and not 600 METRES?

I was an army Cadet, based with the ranks of the British Artillary, they let us fire SA80's, we were trained with them, and did regular army exercises.
Including War Games with blanks, they took us every so often abroad to goto milltary camps to do alsorts.

We were very well trained, I wouldnt knock the cadet forces... junior cadets are another matter though. I would trust them with a flag pole.

yeah i know the army cadets do it cause of thier army based funding gives them better insurance but a guy going on wrk exsperience?
not mistaken 600 metres,seen it masellf and tried it. is really hard.

ah that might answer some questions, you were making it sound like you thought it was piss easy at 600m.

Originally posted by The_Squid
ah that might answer some questions, you were making it sound like you thought it was piss easy at 600m.

lo lfor an extreme exspert probably but for a genral guy like you or me then no.

Devilwasp i dont mean to be rude mate but life in the cadets is totally different than the real thing. By all means enjoy it but no way can it be compared to the real thing. I too was a cadet before joining junior leaders and then finally completing 11 years in the regular army in both the infantary and intelligence. Yes the cadets i agree is a good way to have an insight in to the ways of military life but it only shows you about 3% of what actually goes on. in the eyes of the public cadets are good for 2 things 1 getting young kids off the streets and 2 collecting money for charity at the local shopping centre on a saturday afternoon. All of this arguing should not have even happened in years to come if you pursue a military career you will look back on this and think oh my god what an ass i was on ats all those years ago. You sound like you enjoy it and you seem to have good knowledge of what you have been taught so at the age of sixteen why not go off and try the real thing. Instead of arguing about things on here get out and do it for real its really worth it believe me. By the way if you do. email me and take my details as i get a £250 bonus for every new person i recruit