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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Whoever said US soldiers are trailer trash may want to look back in history and see how those trailer trash soldiers have preformed. Next time the US is liberation your arse from another country make sure you tell them, that you think they are trailer trash.
Originally posted by devilwasp
well would you prefer us to go out into the middle of the iraqi desert and discuss it there?
Originally posted by Facefirst
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Discuss what you want, but I am not an expert and as far as I can figure, neither are you.
Originally posted by stumason
The best Army in the world is the one that does not need fight at all.
Look at what the Rebels did in Sierra leone, once the British Army turned up.... In fact, we go into Africa alot, but rarely do the natives challenge us once we are there.
Kosovo...the British led the Ground Assault as the Americans where too timid, we stormed all the way to Pristina and had a show down with the Russians who turned up.... no fighting, just alot of backing down...
Look at what is happening in Iraq...
Originally posted by devilwasp
dude,no offence but thats kinda sadistic.
the army doesnt JUST kill.
i mean remember the RN crews doing the firemans jobs.
also i would say a soldier is perfect for cop buisness.
and if thier country says protect these people they will.
"The Infantry of the United States is the best in the world"
please name to me one "infantry man" aka not an SF soldier a general duties infantry man, it can be marine or army . that has the same fitness as a navy seal?
Originally posted by Heratix
Originally posted by stumason
The best Army in the world is the one that does not need fight at all.
Look at what the Rebels did in Sierra leone, once the British Army turned up.... In fact, we go into Africa alot, but rarely do the natives challenge us once we are there.
Kosovo...the British led the Ground Assault as the Americans where too timid, we stormed all the way to Pristina and had a show down with the Russians who turned up.... no fighting, just alot of backing down...
Look at what is happening in Iraq...
also remember what happened in afghanistan when the tunnels needed to be cleared...who did the USA call????...only the basic mountain troop we NEEDED to supply...we coulda put sf forces in there and we didnt need to
(no offence against rangers coz u are damn good troops and the best when needed)but they had to call our troops to sort it out...IMO
Originally posted by stumason
200 SAS.....Thats half the regiment!! Crikey! Bet that was an interesting fight!
(Just found out this was called Operation Trent..trying to locate more info)
Why the putting down of the SAS anyway? They are quite clearly the best in the business, and to say that we had to "beg" the Americans for missions is a bit sh*t!! The fact is they are all working together, no one party out there is claiming all the credit.
I would rather when you quote someone and say its BS, you didnt include my words in that quote, unless you say i am talking BS?
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by Facefirst
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Discuss what you want, but I am not an expert and as far as I can figure, neither are you.
arm chair generaling is done by people in safety far away from the war , so to counter this i suggested we go to the nearest conflict zone . iraq.thanks thats real kind of you to figure i aint an exspert ,but i know a bit more than any JD, also we all agree we are not exsperts but this does not mean we cant discuss and say or have opinions about things.
also what is wrong with haveing an opinion on which force is better?
Originally posted by mad scientist
Originally posted by stumason
200 SAS.....Thats half the regiment!! Crikey! Bet that was an interesting fight!
(Just found out this was called Operation Trent..trying to locate more info)
Why the putting down of the SAS anyway? They are quite clearly the best in the business, and to say that we had to "beg" the Americans for missions is a bit sh*t!! The fact is they are all working together, no one party out there is claiming all the credit.
I would rather when you quote someone and say its BS, you didnt include my words in that quote, unless you say i am talking BS?
The Brit SAS aren't clearly the best, that is BS. Just because every ex-trooper seems to write a book does not make them the best. What proof do you have ? US Delta has seen much more action in the last 10 yaers than the SAS - they also have 2 Medal of Honor's from Somalia.
Well they did beg for a mission as the Americans didn't need the SAS, they had more than enough of their SF personel in theatre.
THe US Green Beret's some estimates say accounted for 20 - 40 000 Raliban mostly through airstrikes. Robin Moore ( who wrote the book the Green Beret's in the '60's )wrote a great book following the 4 GB teams inserted into Afghanistan at the beginning of the war. It's called Operation Dagger and is one of the best books I've read on SF combat.l
[edit on 18-9-2004 by mad scientist]
Originally posted by Facefirst
What the hell is a JD?
GO to the nearest combat zone to discuss things of this nature? Umm no.
Have an opinion all you want. I have not walked through Basra or Tikrit and neither have you.
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I would never be so arrogant to say that I could understand combat while never having experienced it.
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And two, this is turning into a willie size contest again.
I'll leave it to the pros to figure out who is the baddest.
Face
[edit on 18-9-2004 by Facefirst]
Originally posted by The_Squid
Erm, I some how doubt that you can know that the SAS have been in less "action" than the Delta Force. The SAS don't tell about any of their operations or what they are doing. The SAS is involved in LOADS of things though, and you wouldnt know about it.
The SAS has been said, by alot of people (not just people in Great Britain) to be the most elite fighting force in the world. To be honest I think you'd really have to push it to be able to have 200 fighting men in the SAS!! Its that elite.
The thing about 200 SAS men having to take out 100 Al-Queda's men (which I SERRIOUSLY doubt is true!) could be that their position was given away, and the Al-Queda's men were in a very good position, with better fire power than the SAS, which in all respect means the mission has gone tits up... and this has happened to every special unit at some point, and usually more than once.
Just think about the 10,000 Zulu's against 300 British men in the Victorian days. Good position and Better firepower enabled the british to win that battle. It took the Zulu's 5000 warriors to defeat 100 British soldiers! So the Zulu's backed off.
So to many nations (except america) the SAS is deemed to be the most powerful and well trained elite fighting force on earth. The Americans just can't admit to going second place in somthing as far as alot of people are concerned.
Also, Just for you americans that wont belive it, here's somthing else to think about - The British SAS and the American Delta Force and the American Navy Seals fight each other in training; the British SAS comes out on top nearly all the time. So please dont start the crap the the Delta force or Navy Seals could beat the SAS, because they have tried and failed nearly every time.
Originally posted by Nygdan
so is war
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thats its primary and fundamental purpose, the precise application of deadly force.
they are there to kill the enemy and then help with general stuff.
No, i don't rembmer that, what are you talking about?
Ah, but they -do- still go throu cop school and police training, they require more specialized training.
They will do the best they can I agree. Don't get me wrong, they seem to be doing a good job. However, I have to wonder at just how much more effective a special unit with special training could do it. Same people, just different training. I'm not doubting the ability of the soldiers, just doubting that a specialized group couldn't do it even better. Because it looks like everyone is going to have to do a lot more street fighting and garrisoning.
Navy seals are infantry? I think what he meant was that the US infantry, compared to the infantry of other nations, besides, navy seals are special forces, and the regular army can't be special forces.
Originally posted by mad scientist
The Brit SAS aren't clearly the best, that is BS. Just because every ex-trooper seems to write a book does not make them the best. What proof do you have ? US Delta has seen much more action in the last 10 yaers than the SAS - they also have 2 Medal of Honor's from Somalia.
Well they did beg for a mission as the Americans didn't need the SAS, they had more than enough of their SF personel in theatre.
THe US Green Beret's some estimates say accounted for 20 - 40 000 Raliban mostly through airstrikes. Robin Moore ( who wrote the book the Green Beret's in the '60's )wrote a great book following the 4 GB teams inserted into Afghanistan at the beginning of the war. It's called Operation Dagger and is one of the best books I've read on SF combat.l
[edit on 18-9-2004 by mad scientist]