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Palestinian children, alone and bewildered, in Israel's Al Jalame jail

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Palestinian children, alone and bewildered, in Israel's Al Jalame jail


www.guardian.co.uk

The room is barely wider than the thin, dirty mattress that covers the floor. Behind a low concrete wall is a squat toilet, the stench from which has no escape in the windowless room. The rough concrete walls deter idle leaning; the constant overhead light inhibits sleep. The delivery of food through a low slit in the door is the only way of marking time, dividing day from night.

This is Cell 36, deep within Al Jalame prison in northern Israel. It is one of a handful of cells where Palestinian children are locked in solitary confinement for days or even weeks.
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Well, the US has Abu Garib and Good 'ole Gitmo...and Israel has Al Jalame.
While the west constantly condems every other country that violates human right's (like Iran) they seem to keep pretty quiet about Israel.

The treatment of these kids is a clear breach of the fourth Geneva convention, yet we have yet to hear the UK or the US condemm this behaviour.

Yet again they play the "one rule for us and another for them" card, which is an increasingly common tactic for Isreal lately.
The abuse of human rights by Israel is clearly getting out of hand and has been for some time now, yet they always seem to be able to justify their actions, and nobody asks twice.

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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Did you watch the video??this is horse crap! Those are little rich boys who cant take a moment of discomfort, Those Interrogators seemd nice. Considering police in the US will beat or even kill you for a small infraction or even disagreeing with them. These guys are lying you can tell by their actions when they have to look up and in a different direction before they answer a question. I dont buy it for one minute, even if it were true ..the rest of the world can get off of its collective lazy ass and do something about it....Just kidding no you cant or else YOU would be in charge.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:22 AM
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Been that way for years .. america and the west dont give a damn about human rights unless it suits their mass murder for profit agenda.. or is their psychotic , genocidal bastard child israel in which case it gets swept under the carpet and ignored....
nothing will ever change till the corrupt bastards in d.c , whitehall , tel avive and the rest are removed...



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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i agree with longbottom leaf, always take what you are told by the media with a pinch of salt....remember they lie, don't believe what you read or sometimes see.


example ;;



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guardianlies.com...
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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aND THE zionist heretical christians and their quislings will derail the thread in

3...2....1...



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:40 AM
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These kids are being treated this way for throwing stones. And Israel claims to be a democracy.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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islamic law for children is pretty tough. i'm assuming the kids there would not be particularly impressed if you gave them american style rights and protections as they are accustomed to strict justice/punishment. not that i agree with their treatment, just consider that part of the world is not people friendly for any body, regardless of age, gender, ethnicity or religion. i'd make allowances for ashkenazi jews but they are also targets, kids or not, so i don't think there's a moral high ground in this situation. the only thing to do, is to butt out as ron paul has suggested, and let these two groups of the same family tree, work out their problems. the family feud needs to
cease and desist so it doesn't drag the entire planet into oblivion.

i'm always shocked when people freak out about stuff like this but don't have the same reaction to bombs doing the same thing on a much worse scale. innocent civilians, women, children men old people infants handicapped, are killed in wars and bombings that all sides have participated in. and then they go all wacky in the brain pan about something like this, which is obviously wrong, but um, gee, how about we all figure out the part where it's even worse to just blow people up.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by MaximinusThrax
i agree with longbottom leaf, always take what you are told by the media with a pinch of salt....remember they lie, don't believe what you read or sometimes see.


But then SOMETIMES, just sometimes, they tell the truth...it's just like the little boy who cried wolf, when he eventually told the truth, nobody believed him !!!

But the thread involves Israel, so..ready for derail...10, 9, 8, etc etc by the three unwise monkeys, who see, hear and speak no Isreali evil...
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by undo
islamic law for children is pretty tough. i'm assuming the kids there would not be particularly impressed if you gave them american style rights and protections as they are accustomed to strict justice/punishment. not that i agree with their treatment, just consider that part of the world is not people friendly for any body, regardless of age, gender, ethnicity or religion. i'd make allowances for ashkenazi jews but they are also targets, kids or not, so i don't think there's a moral high ground in this situation. the only thing to do, is to butt out as ron paul has suggested, and let these two groups of the same family tree, work out their problems. the family feud needs to
cease and desist so it doesn't drag the entire planet into oblivion.

i'm always shocked when people freak out about stuff like this but don't have the same reaction to bombs doing the same thing on a much worse scale. innocent civilians, women, children men old people infants handicapped, are killed in wars and bombings that all sides have participated in. and then they go all wacky in the brain pan about something like this, which is obviously wrong, but um, gee, how about we all figure out the part where it's even worse to just blow people up.


When did Israel start following Islamic law?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by LongbottomLeaf
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, even if it were true ..the rest of the world can get off of its collective lazy ass and do something about it....Just kidding no you cant or else YOU would be in charge.


Well, yes i'd like to do something about it....as the rest of the world have to do it as the USA would'nt lift a finger against Israel...A small country that has oil yes, but Israel no..

Why isnt the country that likes to police the world, policing Israel ??
After all, isnt America the defender of the free world and a champion of human right's condemning every nation that has a record of human right's abuse ( and has oil or mineral reserves) ??

Answer, because Israel has the US by the balls and it goes where AIPAC tells it to !!



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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There are young child criminals in prisons all over the world in almost all countries yet no one squeaks. And before you say anything else, some of these kids are still waiting trial too!

How about listing the names of these kids and their crimes before whining about it!



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by undo
islamic law for children is pretty tough. i'm assuming the kids there would not be particularly impressed if you gave them american style rights and protections as they are accustomed to strict justice/punishment. not that i agree with their treatment, just consider that part of the world is not people friendly for any body, regardless of age, gender, ethnicity or religion. i'd make allowances for ashkenazi jews but they are also targets, kids or not, so i don't think there's a moral high ground in this situation. the only thing to do, is to butt out as ron paul has suggested, and let these two groups of the same family tree, work out their problems. the family feud needs to
cease and desist so it doesn't drag the entire planet into oblivion.

i'm always shocked when people freak out about stuff like this but don't have the same reaction to bombs doing the same thing on a much worse scale. innocent civilians, women, children men old people infants handicapped, are killed in wars and bombings that all sides have participated in. and then they go all wacky in the brain pan about something like this, which is obviously wrong, but um, gee, how about we all figure out the part where it's even worse to just blow people up.


When did Israel start following Islamic law?


i'm not talking about israel, specifically, but rather, the entire middle east. western values don't apply there. that we are in there trying to pronounce good or bad on these people, when our own war machines blow up entire families and while retaliation attacks between palestine and israel happen on a regular basis, is ludicrous. it is BAD what they are doing to those kids. but people in the middle east nations often don't have the same emphasis on the sanctity of life and when they do, it's very specific. like, it's okay to kill in the name of al'lah but it's not okay to kill in the name of jesus. or it's okay to kill in revenge but it's not okay to kill in revenge if you're a muslim jew christian atheist buddhist hindu etc. in other words, it's a human problem. and westerners cannot fix the human condition.

we can't police them into not behaving territorially when our leaders do the same thing. we can't police them into being concerned that their women might be suffering inside black abayas on the back of pick up trucks in 110 degree heat. THAT'S their world it isn't ours. judging their world based on our values, is pointless!



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Looking up and to the left, as one of the boys does, is a memory recall reflex. Looking up and to the right, is a tell-tale of a lie. But, this for me is pseudo-science. NLP has no bearing in assessing the story, not when there's hours of interrogation video without parents or lawyers present. There's just no getting over the facts. It's wrong to detain and interrogate anyone, least of all a susceptible child, without having any form of protection from leading questions which they would likely not understand.

It's wrong. Full stop.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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How about listing the names of these kids and their crimes before whining about it!


Most are accused of throwing stones at soldiers or settlers; some, of flinging molotov cocktails; a few, of more serious offences such as links to militant organisations or using weapons. They are also pumped for information about the activities and sympathies of their classmates, relatives and neighbours - © Harriet Sherwood, The Guardian.

So, if Harriet is telling the truth their in jail for slinging stick's and stones's, maybe the older ones petrol bombs and the more serious kid are linked to arms offences and Hamas.
If there are between 500 and 700 locked up, then the 95% will be for sticks and stones and being Palenstinian in the wrong place (Gaza, the west bank) at the wrong time.

That's of course if the international press is'nt telling lies...as they do....(or do the MSM only tell lies when it comes to those about weapons of mass destruction and a countries ties to terrorism??? )



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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Pay attention Americans, the Zionist media is turning on you.


Considering police in the US will beat or even kill you for a small infraction or even disagreeing with them.


Zionists will point to the US if they cannot point to Muslims.


These guys are lying you can tell by their actions when they have to look up and in a different direction before they answer a question.


Yeh right, first things first, you do not possess the abilities to spot these things, the intellectual footprint you leave is not sufficient. Second, they are telling the truth and if you had ANY idea about these observation-skills you talk about you would see it as well.


I dont buy it for one minute, even if it were true ..


Zionists often make themselves out as hypocrites, because according to them, everybody else is much worse.


the rest of the world can get off of its collective lazy ass and do something about it....Just kidding no you cant or else YOU would be in charge.


Whereas Iran does not consider itself alone in its rhetoric, Zionists and their followers and puppets do. Observe the smugness and general psychopathic attitude.

Consider yourselves informed.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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interesting. do you think i will find a comment by you anywhere on ats that suggests you turned on america a long time ago, and at this juncture you're just pretending it only counts as justifiable western busy bodyness if it's in defense of islamic people but never if it's not? you might want to check your own rhetoric at the door

you can't be expecting america to fight on behalf of someone else's cause, and then insist they not answer anyone else's cry for help. then attack them for attacking others then turn around and attack them for not attacking others.

make up your mind. i'm getting dizzy.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972

But the thread involves Israel, so..ready for derail...10, 9, 8, etc etc by the three unwise monkeys, who see, hear and speak no Isreali evil...
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If a Jewish Publisher can write killing Obama is a option, and get away Scot Free.

That should show you how untouchable the AIPAC has made the Israeli people.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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what i don't get his how people say obama is a zionist jew lover and a non zionist jew hater, at the same time. how america's zionist and not zionist at the same time.

you know how this works? you get accused, if you do something they don't like, of being zionist. and based on the protocols of elders of whatever of zion, this is absolute proof that means you're evil.
but if you do something they do like, then you're evil to the other side.
anybody for an american sandwich?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

If a Jewish Publisher can write killing Obama is a option, and get away Scot Free.
That should show you how untouchable the AIPAC has made the Israeli people.



Writing that you should kill Obama is (obviously ??) considered free speech in the home of the free and the land of AIPAC.
Well, its considred free speech unless your a muslim ( or have muslim friends or have downloaded a copy of the koran at any time) and you write it on face book..and then they'd take you to Gitmo for sure..
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