It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by I Want To Believe
reply to post by lampsalot
You say that Americanisim is a religion. How in what way is it a religion? You also say that America from the beginning has been about oppression rather than freedom. In what way? The America I read about in the history books says that America was founded on the priciples of Liberty and Republicanisim. America was founded BECAUSE of oppression (the oppression of Great Britain on the American colonies) not ON oppression. It was however founded on the ideals of Freedom and Liberty. Those same ideals hold true even in this day and age.
We mustn't give up on these ideals. If we do we dishonor our Forefathers and their many, many sacrifices. I'm not sure which history books you've been reading but you have a very skewered sense of American history. I'm very glad you're trying to 'Become the Change' and be active and voice your opinions but you must understand that men shed their blood so that you COULD have an opinion AND voice it.
"Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood." ~ President John Adams
We need to seriously start considering secession and here is why,
Originally posted by AlphaX
The government decided that all slave owners had to give up their slaves and if they wouldn't do it, the government was going to make them. Therefore, the government declared war on them, not the other way around. I think that would be too hard to do. I would like to be wrong about that though, as that means that we don't have any real power.
Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by lampsalot
i had to stop right there for one reason, not that i don't think it's a awesome idea, but when you want to separate from the Union/Canada, you become SOLELY your own country..
should that happen, you'll be set up to be invaded, and without any military backing you up, it'll be a walk in the park for ANY country to take you over, without ever a shot being fired; it's like Texas becoming it's own country, and ALL that tax $$$ are now NOT a part of the Union .. the s*** storm will commence at once!!!!
edit on 23-1-2012 by Komodo because: (no reason given)edit on 23-1-2012 by Komodo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Komodo
That's like saying anyone at any time can invade Spain, because Spain is an independent country with a small military. See the stupidity in such a statement? Not to mention there are enough personally owned weapons in the NW than all of Europes private citizens combined.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
as soon as you get the bill for repairing and plowing the federal roads, you'll be back