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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:05 PM by g146541

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Nonsense I say.
I want proof that you have more and better sources.
If I were to go after someone I would go all out as I'm sure you did here.
If you have more and better, I'm calling.
Let's see your cards, until then all you say is just misdirection.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:07 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
I am not sure that you can say that someone is a complete dumb ass, and still stay within the T&C rules on ATS.
In fact, I am quite sure that you can't so I am not going to say it...
If you are tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon, whatever that is, then don't get on it. Ridicule it if you want. Call us whatever you want. Join all of the others that just love the status quo that benefits the few at the expense of the many.
But if you think that dumb arse threads are going to get you points here, then you have underestimated the intelligence of ATS members, and you have drastically OVERESTIMATED your own.
Hopefully, this post is within the rules. This hasn't been a good weekend for TRUE patriots of the U.S.A.

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Well kind sir, for one, i don't underestimate any one on this site and don't over estimate my own intelligence. My opinion on Paul is mine and any other sensible American's view. As you have seen, Paul has very little support anyway. So it's probably not even worth talking about. However; you can call me what you will, the fact that Paul wants to pull all troops away from all other countries and stay at home, hoping by not causing trouble or posing a threat other countries will follow-suit makes you a naive and over confident man. Paul's policy would be fine if other countries provided us the same respect. We all know they won't. They despise us simply for how we live and what we believe in as a country. It will never matter what we do, there's a few countries that will always look to bring us down. Paul only gives them "free time" to formulate and execute..... and yeah, I'm as Patriotic as they come, that's never in questions. Sorry your guy is losing...hopefully your week will be better....

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:08 PM by Slavich

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:12 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Nonsense I say.
I want proof that you have more and better sources.
If I were to go after someone I would go all out as I'm sure you did here.
If you have more and better, I'm calling.
Let's see your cards, until then all you say is just misdirection.

His foreign policy is well known. He believes that we should mind our own business and the other countries will do the same, thus causing peace and harmony. That would be a great policy if the other countries would respect us the same. It will never happen. WE know what the other countries think and feel. I'm not misguiding anyone, I simply can't stand that everyone wants Paul and makes up excuses as to why he isn't winning and why he should be. I do like some of the things he believes in...but his foreign policy leaves us weak and open. We can't afford to remain out of other countries business, it will ultimately be our demise. Think about it, pull out of South Korea, North Korea immediately invades and takes over south korea. We stay out of Irans business, they will wipe Israel off the face of the planet. those are facts...not speculation.

What do you want further facts on, that he believes America deserved 9/11. type it in google, there's a bunch of information to follow. It's been brought up many times to him. I can get that information for you if you'd like tho.

These people think I'm a Paul hater....not the case. I'm an obama hater...but for the safety and perseverance of our country, his foreign policy will never work

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:13 PM by type0civ

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Sorry Paul lovers, I just can't take seeing all this liberal and socialist Ron Paul support from within our country. I believe people hear one thing and one thing only and then they decide that is the candidate they will pick without thoroughly researching that candidate. Paul's foreign policy can not be in office.

That makes no sense...also his foreign policy is to respect the sovereignty of other nations...nothing wrong with that at all..if anything try it..just once.

That's just it...we can do that all day long...it's not a bad way to be...the problem is we know and can predict what other countries will do. they will not and do not feel the same way about us. So no matter what we do, they will be our enemies for nothing less that the way we live and what this country stands for. his policy would be fine if everyone else would fall in line.....but the sad fact is we know they won't. that's why we call them radicals

Your argument has no substance....was Iraq preparing to invade the US? No...not at all.

Again read about what the CIA calls blowback.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:14 PM by hangedman13

reply to post by SLAYER69

Haha Slayer I said the same thing in another thread! The same kind of reaction to Paul now as there was in 2008 over Obama. More of the same sweet nothings. He talks a good game but in practice words mean nothing. Ron Paul has been in Washington for how long? And wasn't it the last election with Mcain that we had to hear he was too old???? What about Paul being near 80? Just another cult of personality.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:15 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

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Last time I checked, our money and economic status is steady declining. As far as illuminati and aliens, that's not place for this thread...this thread is strictly on why paul can't be president. his foreign policy will leave us to open for attack. bottom line...other countries will not follow his kindred spirit and approach
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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:17 PM by TupacShakur

reply to post by hangedman13

But if those supporters would have simply checked out Obama's campaign donations, they would have found that he was just another lying bobblehead banker puppet, unlike Ron Paul, who is uncorruptable.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:19 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by SLAYER69

Haha Slayer I said the same thing in another thread! The same kind of reaction to Paul now as there was in 2008 over Obama. More of the same sweet nothings. He talks a good game but in practice words mean nothing. Ron Paul has been in Washington for how long? And wasn't it the last election with Mcain that we had to hear he was too old???? What about Paul being near 80? Just another cult of personality.

Iraq and Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of their own people. i believe we went into iraq for different reasons, none of which were WMD or oil....but if you want to talk humanitarian reasons, hussein had to go.

I could care less how old paul is...it's about his foregin policy and that he thinks other countries will respect us as he is wanting to respect them. it's ridiculous to think that's possible.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:20 PM by hangedman13

reply to post by TupacShakur

That is bull. People hear what they want to hear. And that is what the deal with Paul as well. He talks a good game and people will not consider the consequences of hid purposed actions.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:22 PM by mrgregbusybee

Listen people, you obviously have your heads so far up Ron Paul's old ass that you missed what my problem with him is. It's simply this, his stance on foreign policy is not realistic. Nice thought, yes. We'll leave you alone, you leave us alone....blah blah. The simple fact is it will NEVER work and only hurt us as a country. We know and can predict what these radical countries will do. It's not speculation, it's fact. His policy leaves us vulnerable and weak. That's my only problem with Ron Paul. That's it...and that's enough to say he shouldn't represent us as a President.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:24 PM by TupacShakur

reply to post by hangedman13

Facts are facts. Obama got millions in donations from major financial institutions. Ron Pauls top donors are from members of the military. Obama is clearly corrupt, Ron Paul is not. Obama is pro-establishment, and Ron Paul is the opposite.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:25 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by hangedman13

But if those supporters would have simply checked out Obama's campaign donations, they would have found that he was just another lying bobblehead banker puppet, unlike Ron Paul, who is uncorruptable.

EVERYONE is not paying attention to my statement. Ron Paul may be non-corruptible, fine...great...that's a first. He has some good ideas. However; his foreign policy alone is unacceptable. We can't allow that to happen because we know what the other countries will do. It's not speculation, it's fact. If we fall under Paul's foreign policy, we will be vulnerable and weak. Other countries will not respect, i won't bother you if you don't bother me......that's the facts

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:25 PM by hangedman13

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I agree there was more to Iraq then the wmd issue. I still am not convinced that there were not, if you recall Russian military "advisers" left Baghdad for Syria just ahead of the coalition invasion of the city. I think Paul's foreign policy is based on incorrect assumptions about foreign diplomacy.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:26 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by hangedman13

Facts are facts. Obama got millions in donations from major financial institutions. Ron Pauls top donors are from members of the military. Obama is clearly corrupt, Ron Paul is not. Obama is pro-establishment, and Ron Paul is the opposite.

Obama is horrible. Ridiculous. I don't think Paul is corrupt. I think Paul's stance on foreign policy leaves us too vulnerable and weak to protect ourselves as a country. Other countries will not respect his policy because they despise what our country stands for. It doesn't matter what we do, they will always despise and want to attack us and bring us down. always.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:27 PM by TupacShakur

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

However; his foreign policy alone is unacceptable.

I kind of like the idea of peace. I'm sure the people over there watching people get killed and their friends die, the soldiers committing suicide in record numbers, the family members of soldiers overseas, and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who have lost family members as a result of our military actions would agree.

We can't allow that to happen because we know what the other countries will do.

No we don't.

It's not speculation

Yes it is

it's fact.

No it's not.

If we fall under Paul's foreign policy, we will be vulnerable and weak.

Maybe you didn't read what I said earlier, twice, but cutting militarism is not the same as cutting defense. Can you explain to me what part of that statement you don't understand, because it's clear that you either didn't read it or fail to understand what I am saying and what Ron Pauls stance on defense is.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:29 PM by hawkiye

LOL this wasn't even a good attempt at trolling.,.. Here's a novel idea on the extremely remote chance you were actually sincere; try not reading any threads that mention Ron Paul in the title problem solved...

PS by the way for future reference probably the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters are not against gay marriage and are not necessarily pro drug just anti-prohibition based on the utter failure of drug/acohol prohibition that way you can be a little more accurate on your next troll...

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:29 PM by type0civ

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Iraq and Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of their own people. i believe we went into iraq for different reasons, none of which were WMD or oil....but if you want to talk humanitarian reasons, hussein had to go. I could care less how old paul is...it's about his foregin policy and that he thinks other countries will respect us as he is wanting to respect them. it's ridiculous to think that's possible.

Again no substance....you cant have it both ways...the WAR, not humanitarian effort, was not to stop an invasion of the US. Now did this war stabilize the region or better yet....what did it do for you.

We also have troops in NIGERIA....why? What is this doing for we the peopole....nothing.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:30 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

I agree there was more to Iraq then the wmd issue. I still am not convinced that there were not, if you recall Russian military "advisers" left Baghdad for Syria just ahead of the coalition invasion of the city. I think Paul's foreign policy is based on incorrect assumptions about foreign diplomacy.

Now that statement, I can agree with. Maybe he has based his policy on incorrect assumptions. But it doesn't take a genius to know that other countries will NEVER respect us and leave us alone if we leave them alone like Paul wants to implement. That's not speculation...that's a fact. No one here can argue what his foreign policy represents. That he believes that we should bring every troop back to the USA and stay out of the business of other countries, therefore other countries will leave us alone and maybe even like us. That's what he believes. We can't have that....!!!! We know at least 4 countries that will never adhere to that type of policy, north korea, china,japan and iraq

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:33 PM by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Iraq and Hussein killed hundreds of thousands of their own people. i believe we went into iraq for different reasons, none of which were WMD or oil....but if you want to talk humanitarian reasons, hussein had to go. I could care less how old paul is...it's about his foregin policy and that he thinks other countries will respect us as he is wanting to respect them. it's ridiculous to think that's possible.

Again no substance....you cant have it both ways...the WAR, not humanitarian effort, was not to stop an invasion of the US. Now did this war stabilize the region or better yet....what did it do for you.

We also have troops in NIGERIA....why? What is this doing for we the peopole....nothing.

See, that's where you're wrong. I believe we have to utilize our military power. I don't want it both ways. I want this country and our people protected. If that means keeping pressure on radical Iran, that's what has to happen. We can NOT have a president in office that believes that if we mind our business so will they. We know this is NOT possible. We know and can predict the actions of other countries. Why have we had troops in south korea for 25+years??? We know what North Korea will do. It's not hating on Paul, it's that his foreign policy is unrealistic and downright ignorant