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Christians Waking Up? Voluntary 'De-Baptism' Rising in Europe

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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In the UK many people are getting a certificate (or filling out some paper work) to leave the church (De-Baptising) because it was realised that the church gets representation in the House of Lords on how many people are on the CofE register, so it was worth the effort for secular people not wanting a load religious types passing laws on them

And I know that in Finland there’s a church tax that many opted out of last year

how to get de-baptised - hair-dryer



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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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I wonder how many more will fall away from their respective faiths once 2012 comes and goes with no big shebang?



Careful what you wish for, Ezekiel 38 & 39 are next up on the timeline. Gog-Magog may seem like a "shebang" to some. That has a big chance of happening any day now.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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i too, was out there looking for more info... found this:


www.dataprotection.ie.../documents/caseStudies/03cs8.htm

Case Study 8

Catholic Church baptismal records deletion request not upheld

I received a complaint during 2003 from an individual living in the Netherlands who stated that he had contacted the parish priest in a Catholic church in Ireland where as a baby he believed he had been baptised in 1978. He had requested to have his name removed from church records and that his request had been refused on the grounds that it was not possible to be removed from the church register. He stated that he never joined the Catholic church; his parents had enrolled him without his consent; he now wished to distance himself from it and there was no longer any need for the church to keep information about him. [...]



only the local Parish church will retain the actual record...
the data is not sent to some central hub like the LDS have in their bunker like resource center



Now.... the individual seeking his name erased from the church record in the snip above...he can legally change his name or just add another middle name and that entry record name could not be identified as that particular person...

as far as the count of individuals that were processed through that parish church, that cannot be changed, because it is a form of 'official' record before government took charge in such matters

-iow- the man is an interger in the church census, and it only mattered in the year in which the ritual took place
that is if he remained forever estranged from that church building &/or that church denomination


in another article, the marriage ceremony might become the offsprings baptism record date...
i guess that's with the liberal catholic parish churches

thanks for the post
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Baptism by submersion is a representation of the death and resurrection of Christ. I'm sure those more knowledgeable than I regarding baptism can fill in the gaps I've left.


Actually it is not, Christ himself was baptised, hardly something he could of done to represent his own future death and resurrection. The meaning behind Baptism is different from the Catholic christening, which is traditionally done as a very young child, the bible states that we are all born into original sin, and by being Christened you are accepted into the church and released from that original sin, yes I know its a pile of horse do do, but that is the belief.

Baptism has come to signify your devotion to Christ, but originally i.e. when Christ was baptised, it was to admit your sins and an act on penance, and a vow to keep on the right side of god in future, to be devoted to him, it did not absolve you of those sins but was as it were the first step towards the cleansing of your soul.

Either way it is still something I find abhorrent, not that people are religious but just the way religions seeks to control, the path to god is given to everyone, it is written in their hearts, they either follow the correct path or not, and no book or superimposed pagan ritual will change that.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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i very much agree. good post...any baptism which is not administered to a person in full belief and understanding of the symbolism, and is not FULLY SUBMERGED, is a false baptism. accourding to the scriptures. babies having a few drops of "blessed" water sprinkled on their heads is not baptized according to scripture. im sorry, but reference the Bible. any version.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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The best part is, Baptism is older then Christianity. But like others have said to denounce it is to still be wrapped up in it.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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The Irish catholic church was rapidly losing ‘believers’ back in 2009 and there was a website created that was supposed to help with the process of leaving
www.countmeout.ie...

the website was forced to stop its service when


In April of this year, the Catholic Church modified the Code of Canon Law to remove all references to the act of formal defection, the process used by those who wish to formally renounce their membership of the Church.

www.countmeout.ie...


the fact that trying to leave one of the Abrahamic religions is so difficult leads me to think the whole thing is nothing but a numbers game – and certainly not something based on any kind of true spiritual conviction



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Welcome to the information age!! An age where people have access to (almost) free information that clearly shows what complete and utter nonsense talking snakes, global floods, people living inside whales, and all the other stuff are



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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The thing with Catholicism is it's not just Baptism but also the other sacrements like First Holy Communion and Confirmation that are done at an older age.
I can't see how De-Baptising is going to also erase the other sacrements that a Catholic has participated in.
Then of course there is also Marriage and the Baptism of any children if they were Baptised Catholic as well.
Plus also taking into consideration that any official ex communication would mean that upon death one couldn't be buried in the Catholic section of a cemetery in amongst nearest and dearest.

It's really a lot more complicated than just getting De-Baptised, especially for a Catholic. Especially for someone who may have become disillusioned with the Religion later in life IMO.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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You forgot 950 year old men !



Peace



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by ProRipp
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You forgot 950 year old men !



Peace


I forgot a lot of crazy stuff...too many to list here


And of course there's that genocidal god who might not be favored by a lot of rational people


PS: Not saying Islam is any better by the way...it's just as bat# crazy if you look at it objectively.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Well if you just don’t believe in the juju the priest’s puts on you then none can effect you anyway – but I think the fact that the Catholic Church is trying to keep people in the church (or on the ‘books’) who want out is very revealing as to the true nature of the church



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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What if religion is the beast and baptism is the mark of the beast?If you beleive the book of the word,your safer without it.

P.S i too am a recovering catholic.
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by predator0187
Any thoughts?

It's kinda strange. If someone is an athiest then doesn't that mean they don't believe in any of the ritual stuff or the baptism anyways? So why would they have a de-baptism ritual of their own? Or are they just having a bunch of fun and don't think it does anything?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Bathing is a recognition of uncleanness. Christ wore a human body and I am sure that he had a little dandruff, defecated, etc. So, in symbolic acknowledgment, baptism was His guidance to us so that we would see that even common rituals, that everyone takes part in, declare the spiritual understanding of our inability to be "clean," and the truth that we are all one body, and the promise that the brethren are also one blood. The rituals given to us were to bathe, break bread and share wine, and an additional ritual emphasized by the church is mating for life. But the emphasis was on our incompleteness, our unity as animals, and the unity of the brethren with Christ as our "head" brother.

So then, hear this clearly; The opposite of bathing is not drying oneself, it's rolling around in decaying things. And this is often done by the unwise, regardless of religion or external conduct.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by predator0187
Any thoughts?

It's kinda strange. If someone is an athiest then doesn't that mean they don't believe in any of the ritual stuff or the baptism anyways? So why would they have a de-baptism ritual of their own? Or are they just having a bunch of fun and don't think it does anything?


I was wondering the same thing. My mum was Catholic, but simply stopped at one point. If you don't believe in it, I really don't see the point in having some ceremony. I mean, what's next? De-unicorn ceremony because you don't believe in them either?



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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possible reasons to get de-baptised

1 it’s a laff

2 the religious authorises are using the numbers on the registry of the baptised as a reason to get some political power (this is the case in England) so getting yourself de-baptised takes away from that number and so reduces the power the religious authorities unjustifiably claim and also has the added benefit of highlighting the fact that the buggers are making said claim and thereby making others aware of the situation

3 getting de-baptised is seen as closure to having been religious

4 getting de-baptised is a seen as a clear statement of intent to the religious and to encourage those who are thinking of giving up religion - I am unsure as to what that statement to the religious might be, but possibly something along the lines of 'up yours'




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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Islam is fast becoming a plague across Europe whilst the traditional inhabitants joyfully give up God Almighty.
Muslim immigrants are leading the birth rate 3 to 1.
Christians are branded as mentally ill.

And most still cannot see that they have grown up hearing anti-God and anti-Bible propaganda every day of their lives and therefore gleefully do acts like this whilst those that fed them the propaganda in the first place bow to Satan.

As others have pointed out, it's obedient faith that saves. But what is heart breaking to think, is that many of these same people will also be shaking their fist at Christ upon His return, having never understood how their love of humanism, which was dripped into their veins through a completely controlled media, led to their downfall and the potential slaughter of millions of people for simply worshipping the one true God of this Universe.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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I'd just like to point out that Christianity and Catholicism are two VERY different things.

Your (OP) title suggest they are the same. They are not.

Just sayin'



btw, infant baptism means nothing. Don't mean to offend any Catholics here but an infant or your child has no idea what is happening. Baptism is a heart-choice made as an aware mature human being.

I would have to look into this further, but it's possible that renouncing ones baptism (as having been baptised originally being a mature person not an infant) could constitute committing the unpardonable sin. (denouncing the holy spirit)

If that is the case, it's a very serious trend.




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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Islam is fast becoming a plague across Europe whilst the traditional inhabitants joyfully give up God Almighty.
Muslim immigrants are leading the birth rate 3 to 1.
Christians are branded as mentally ill.

And most still cannot see that they have grown up hearing anti-God and anti-Bible propaganda every day of their lives and therefore gleefully do acts like this whilst those that fed them the propaganda in the first place bow to Satan.

As others have pointed out, it's obedient faith that saves. But what is heart breaking to think, is that many of these same people will also be shaking their fist at Christ upon His return, having never understood how their love of humanism, which was dripped into their veins through a completely controlled media, led to their downfall and the potential slaughter of millions of people for simply worshipping the one true God of this Universe.


You're grouping an entire people based on the actions of a few fundamentalists


Islam is just as flawed (and demonstrably wrong) as Christianity. And I'm not sure how people giving up Christianity would benefit Islam, they're just facing atheists instead of Christians. This isn't some weird holy war or fight between good or evil for crying out loud. It's old religions being replaced by true objective knowledge rather than blind belief.

And a ton of Muslims here in Europe adapt, especially 2nd and 3rd generations. So even if the Muslim population grows, those won't be the same as their parents or some random fundamentalist. All of my Muslim mates drink alcohol for example, and not one of them prays several times per day.

As for the rest of your post, you're simply preaching your faith...nothing you said has any bearing in reality




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