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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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LOL

keep learning from you




Staunch


had to grab the dictionairy for that one, haha

but i can live with staunch




posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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I tend to settle for the facts when making a decision on anything. Very rarely do I get very sentimental about much of anything anymore, and that includes a lot stuff on here. Any idea is a good one as far as I am concerned as long as it is derived from reason, logic, and some form of factual foundation.

Some folks tend to get too emotional about domestic and foreign issues whether it is elections, Middle Eastern Affairs, a government's foreign policy, ect. Emotion clouds judgement, and it usually leads to a misunderstanding. For me personally, I am willing to hear anyone out on a particular issue. I value any exchange on a given topic. Sometimes I may disagree, but you will never find me attacking someone or their views, throwing grenades, or hitting below the belt. If a misunderstanding arises, hopefully I can interject some history or facts into the equation to validate my train of thought. Not everyone is going to agree and that is fine. We can agree to disagree. Now that is comprise I can settle for. Anybody else?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by rigel4
I Try, and Sometimes I don't try.
Sometimes i answer on Emotion and sometimes
i switch sides a little.


I'm the same way sometimes.

Especially on Ron Paul [ I like many things the man says- Not All] OWS [Supports the general premise but not everything they do] and the whole Iran/Israel issues. [Sees both sides. Thinks they both act like babies]


I hope when I'm serious, that i make some sensible posts.


I've read a few of your posts. Most seem sensible [Although I don't always agree]


I will keep trying. :



Same here.

Thanks for the reply

PEACE



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Truth4Thought
I have noticed that the majority of members who are guilty of this are also the ones accusing other members of doing it, kind of like that warmonger thread where all the warmongers were giving each other back scratches.


Blind like minded members/cliques.

We see them on all issues

Right?


I agree though, people should take a look around and think before they post.



Agreed...



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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I'm dancing with lady liberty.

We all know that these politicians
are not dealing with a full deck.

It is insulting having to pick
*which one is less corrupt*
because they are all corrupt
to a point.

Left right
they are all in the same boat today.

I am against commies and radical muslims



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
Fair question, Slayer.


Thank you.


Sometimes, I get too caught up in the emotional side of posting to a particular thread. I know posing in haste will not accomplish anything with the object of my post, nor will it add to the overall content of the original topic. And, it's on posts like these, I run a 50/50 chance of having my post pulled by a MOD, for T&C violations.


I've seen that happen. I too have done the emotional "Shot Gun Response" Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.



Does that stop me? Sometimes not. I win nothing for my short sightedness. Not even a good feeling about myself.


I'm glad I'm not the only who feels that way after I do that as well




Over time, I've learned there are some members, it's best if I do not even read their threads. I know from past experience, we don't, and won't ever see each other on a level playing field.


Fair enough.
I can't speak for everybody but I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority here feel the same way on certain topics/forums






posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by masqua
Opinions change... sometimes daily.
Situations change... always daily.


Agreed.
This is why I try [And fail sometimes] to do an attitude adjustment.


Nothing in this world is static and, because of that, holding tight to personal convictions is tantamount to dogmatism. Luddites love things that don't change even though everything around those things are in a constant flux.


Now that is a fair assessment. Let me ask you this though....

Should long held historical beliefs be tossed out simply because it's not popular?


One might as well say that the Stone of Scone belongs to the Irish.


Better than a sitting/stepping stone...

No?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
I am against commies and radical muslims


What level of socialism would one call communism?

Secondly, which other religious fanatics might be on the same level as muslim radicals?

Not really wanting your opinion, just asking if you are willing to see both sides of an issue.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SLAYER69
 

Taboos on ATS.
Drugs
Swears
Apologies


Drugs forum was tossed because in my opinion it became a [War Story/Glorification of use] instead of a mature, frank and open discussion board. Like I feel it was intended to be.


ATS should be a place of learning, of sharing ideas. Yes, I'm opinionated. Yes I challenge ideologies. Yes I'm sometimes wrong. But I question, in order to find out more.


I do too as well. I'm also not successful and sometimes let my emotions run high.
Guess it's the whole being human aspect. [Unless of course I'm a bot then it's a programmed response! ]


Binary thinking is rampant here on ATS.
Occupy? Either/or.
Iran? Either/or.
America? Either/or.
Political ideology?. . . . . yeah, you guessed it.


Bingo...



Nice thread Slayer. We need to do some intranet time-outs occasionally and refocus.



Thanks, we'll see....

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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I like to think i am always ready to change my opinion or be proven wrong.

God..sometimes i hope and pray i am wrong, did i say sometimes? i meant most-times, see i can change mid-sentence.

Here's some music to ponder the thread on...



Cosmic..



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69 Let me ask you this though....

Should long held historical beliefs be tossed out simply because it's not popular?


What is an example of a long held popular belief? Beliefs, as I think you know, are not usually based on facts.

Canadians are polite schmucks?



One might as well say that the Stone of Scone belongs to the Irish.



Better than a sitting/stepping stone...

No?


Oh... there is such a great thread waiting to be done on the Stone of Scone. That's all I'll say on that
edit on 22/1/12 by masqua because: bb code edits



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
It seems that in many cases, those who most proclaim themselves to be open-minded are in fact, the opposite.


100%

I wont touch that.
It's perfectly written as is.




I have to wonder: are those who seem to be consistently one-sided simply passionate about their belief and unable to accept that there are many sides to a story?


Good question maybe some who feel they are 100% correct [On any given topic] can stand up and explain themselves



I think that posting according to personal philosophy with a willingness to ask questions to try to understand another point of view is probably the most direct and honest but, not everyone will agree with me. Such is life..


I Agree, I don't want nor expect everyone to agree with me or my beliefs but rather explain their reasoning in a mature manor [Something I wish I did better]

Such is life.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


"[I'm not always successful]"

Quoted for truth.



Admission or accusation?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


Hey Slayer, (didn't get a U2U that you had a new thread up...
)


Sorry


I was busy tweaking noses on another thread.


I'll try to remember you next time K?


I think I can do all those things. And please don't disagree with me on this, as I assume you will, or I might have to get ugly!!!


We know you can be.




Good thread.


Peace


Thank you

PEACE



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
1. He who can argue both (sides) is most informed


Tried....


I end up being attacked by both sides.




2. There is only one truth to any given question, what one may assume to be the truth may not in fact be so; in such a situation it is good to adjust yourself accordingly.


Normally there is name calling and false unsubstantiated accusations applied. I normally take my leave before I respond with one of those "Shot Gun Responses" [Again I'm not always successful]



3. Speak unto others as I would have them speak unto me.


Agree and I try but sometimes I don't



Of course that and read the OP


Now why in the hell would one want to do that?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537
Wow...I almost didn't recognize you with that new avatar.


Thanks

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.”
― Dr. Seuss




I think most ATS members can be and generally are critical thinkers who can separate themselves from the issues. That's why you will see some of them (including me) bashing a certain topic one day, and then supporting it the next.


Fair enough and agree.
But Sometimes my emotions get the better of me

I'll admit it.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
I tend to settle for the facts when making a decision on anything. Very rarely do I get very sentimental about much of anything anymore, and that includes a lot stuff on here. Any idea is a good one as far as I am concerned as long as it is derived from reason, logic, and some form of factual foundation.


I'm a stickler for facts as well. There in-lies the rub for me. Sometimes I want to come charging in and beat some members over the head with facts when I should just cool my jets and hear what they have to say and and listen to why they believe what they do.

The problem for me is when they wont stop and consider an alternative. [Which Again, I'm also guilty of doing sometimes]


Some folks tend to get too emotional about domestic and foreign issues whether it is elections, Middle Eastern Affairs, a government's foreign policy, ect. Emotion clouds judgement, and it usually leads to a misunderstanding. For me personally, I am willing to hear anyone out on a particular issue. I value any exchange on a given topic. Sometimes I may disagree, but you will never find me attacking someone or their views, throwing grenades, or hitting below the belt. If a misunderstanding arises, hopefully I can interject some history or facts into the equation to validate my train of thought. Not everyone is going to agree and that is fine. We can agree to disagree. Now that is comprise I can settle for. Anybody else?


Being a conspiracy site...

I can't help but think that there ARE in fact Agents/ Representative/Groups who are actively trying to sway ATS public opinion. Then again, I know there are simply groups/cliques who feel strongly about a certain situation/issue etc.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
I am against commies and radical muslims



That is your right to feel so...

No further comment.

PEACE



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Very true and I myself struggle with it.

I mostly stay unbiased unless something that is stubbornly stupid is said and then I weigh in with my own personal views but politically speaking, yeah, while Ron Paul's ideals are fair and just, I still wouldn't vote for him if I could because he's like that one candidate who makes sense but has zero chance of gaining anything.

Plus the overwhelming support for him on ATS makes me oppose that wholeheartedly because it feels like everybody has jumped on the RP bandwagon and in my mind, someone has to fly in the face of that and stand out rather than everyone being sheep and supporting him.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Slayer, wanted to thank you for starting this thread. It's like internet posting group therapy..

I almost feel a group hug coming on.....maybe...




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