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Kansas slashes food aid for children of illegal immigrants

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Did you not read the part of my post where I stated that Mexico has lots of resources? It is not that there are no jobs there, it's that the jobs pay less than even they pay here.

And you know this...how? An ignorant assumption.
Are you a Mexican national? An ex-patriot? Have you ever visited a tiny ranchito with no modern conveniences? Ever met a tiny little shriveled old woman who looks 120 years old, and she's only 70? Ever had a conversation with people who came from desperately hopeless and neglected little communities?
Ever?

I didn't think so.



Seriously, what is the problem you have with a country like Mexico dealing with it's own Nationals? They have loans from the IMF, did you know?



The IMF approved a credit line for Mexico of $47 billion in the first use of a new instrument designed to bolster strong performing economies against fallout from the current global economic crisis


“For over a decade, Mexico’s macroeconomic performance has been very strong, exemplified by solid growth with low inflation; a steady reduction in public debt, and strengthened corporate balance sheets; a contained current account deficit; and a profitable and well capitalized banking sector. This has been underpinned by a highly credible and very strong policy framework, including a successful inflation targeting regime that has supported the commitment to the flexible exchange rate; a rules-based fiscal framework; and strong and sophisticated financial sector supervision,” the First Deputy Managing Director said.
However, the current difficult global economic and financial environment poses challenges even for countries with very strong fundamentals. As the global situation has deteriorated, Mexican asset prices have fallen sharply in line with the global market sell off, and GDP growth has slowed sharply. While Mexico’s underlying fundamentals remain very strong, and the balance of payments position is manageable, the open capital account and close global financial linkages––on top of close trade links with the United States––could expose the country to potential downside risks.



www.imf.org...
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Spewing, ok if telling the truth is spewing I'm fine with that.
You are NOT telling the truth. You are exaggerating and lumping and using words like "boasting" and "stealing" and stating that Mexico has just as many jobs, and that latter is a lie. Blaming all immigrants with children who are citizens here for the miscreants that are only interested in exploiting others, and withholding basic human needs from those children, who are CITIZENS is a far cry from allowing gangsters, drug-traffickers, violent criminals and thugs into the system.

Your idea of "telling the truth" is very odd. You don't know what you are talking about; you are basing your hatred on broad-sweeping generalities and exaggerated misrepresentation.

Look back at your posts, Horus. Look at your choice of words. Look at the things you are attributing to people you have never met, know nothing about except what some douche loud-mouth has told you; look at your skewed understanding of the actuality...
are all muslims murdering terrorists? Are all church-goers fundamentalist doctor-killers?

No, they are not.
You are spreading sensationalist propaganda that is designed to incite hatred, and specifically intended to engender more isolationist, superior, false-victimization to justify continued debasing of others.

Yes, that is "spewing," and it's disgraceful.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But Rush implicated the Obamanomics as creating more dependence on welfare with his policies.

Didn't Rush say about a year ago he would rather the US fail, then be under a Obama rule?
So safe to say what his word is worth!!
I know this may be hard for some to grasp, but Presidents, Dem and GOP, do not induce polices to hurt the populace.

At times in our Global Economy , things are happening at a grander scale that despite polices, things do get worse.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Those children that the governor is cutting aid for are U.S. Citizens.

If we're going to get rid of birth right citizenship then it would only be fair if we went through all the records to find out if your grandparents came here as immigrants, and if they did, then we should also revoke your citizenship as you did not inherit your citizenship because your ancestors came here as immigrants.

I think this would greatly reduce the burden on our infrastructure, hospitals and welfare

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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NO you are now misrepresenting me. I said Mexico has the same types of jobs as we do that their Nationals work. Agriculture, oil, gold etc. I said they get paid higher in the States.


You are getting hysterical and taking everything out of context. You are getting very emotional and in attack mode.

I will leave you to your ranting since you cannot discuss this without getting angry.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Seriously, what is the problem you have with a country like Mexico dealing with it's own Nationals?

NONE AT ALL. That is what I am saying!! They obviously need to be accountable for their OWN CITIZENS, and they are NOT, or those citizens would happily stay put. What do you not get about that? If they are failing, and the US is paying the price to pull up their slack, then the US needs to address them directly and insist that they DO SO.

Good gawd, if you would calm down enough to read instead of just thinking up your next cheap shot based on poor comprehension skills and insults, you might have a better chance of being respected.

You are behaving like an ill-educated follower of extreme hate-mongers. Learn what you're talking about, really learn it. Not from some airwave arsehole or some wildly distorted exclamations, but from your own research.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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Welfare programs started in the 30's with the New Deal. Many of those immigrants you are talking about came over on Ellis Island and they were not illegal. They were processed.

Here's a bit about Ellis Island
www.history.com...

When Ellis Island opened, a great change was taking place in immigration to the United States. As arrivals from northern and western Europe--Germany, Ireland, Britain and the Scandinavian countries--slowed, more and more immigrants poured in from southern and eastern Europe. Among this new generation were Jews escaping from political and economic oppression in czarist Russia and eastern Europe (some 484,000 arrived in 1910 alone) and Italians escaping poverty in their country. There were also Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Serbs, Slovaks and Greeks, along with non-Europeans from Syria, Turkey and Armenia. The reasons they left their homes in the Old World included war, drought, famine and religious persecution, and all had hopes for greater opportunity in the New World.


Passage of the Immigrant Quota Act of 1921 and the National Origins Act of 1924, which limited the number and nationality of immigrants allowed into the United States, effectively ended the era of mass immigration into New York. From 1925 to its closing in 1954, only 2.3 million immigrants passed through Ellis Island--which was still more than half of all those entering the United States.

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Welfare programs started in the 30's with the New Deal. Most of those immigrants you are talking about came over on Ellis Island and they were not illegal. They were processed.


We should make everyone go through the current process.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Those children that the governor is cutting aid for are U.S. Citizens.

Thank you, muse.
Exactly.

Some get so upset with their pre-packaged false notions being challenged that they resort to attacking rather than thinking. I appreciate you stepping in to reiterate what I've said that as been completely disregarded regarding the vast majority of our ancestry.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Those children that the governor is cutting aid for are U.S. Citizens.

Thank you, muse.
Exactly.

Some get so upset with their pre-packaged false notions being challenged that they resort to attacking rather than thinking. I appreciate you stepping in to reiterate what I've said that as been completely disregarded regarding the vast majority of our ancestry.



To be honest, I try to stay out of these type of discussions on ATS.

Most of ATS are hypocrites when it comes to the issue of immigration. They scream for smaller government, but when a story about illegal immigration comes up most members would gladly line up to be micro chipped, and have a barcode tattooed on their forehead in order to keep the evil illegals out.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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You are the one taking cheap shots and getting irate.




Good gawd, if you would calm down enough to read instead of just thinking up your next cheap shot based on poor comprehension skills and insults, you might have a better chance of being respected.





Some get so upset with their pre-packaged false notions being challenged


yes some do don't they!

Reagan gave amnesty to a large number of illegals but that doesn't really change the landscape.

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by muse7

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Those children that the governor is cutting aid for are U.S. Citizens.

Thank you, muse.
Exactly.

Some get so upset with their pre-packaged false notions being challenged that they resort to attacking rather than thinking. I appreciate you stepping in to reiterate what I've said that as been completely disregarded regarding the vast majority of our ancestry.



To be honest, I try to stay out of these type of discussions on ATS.

Most of ATS are hypocrites when it comes to the issue of immigration. They scream for smaller government, but when a story about illegal immigration comes up most members would gladly line up to be micro chipped, and have a barcode tattooed on their forehead in order to keep the evil illegals out.



Did I not post that I was not for rfid? I don't think anyone should be chipped and that goes for illegals as well. But please carry on with your generalizations of how MOST people at ATS are.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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You are the one taking cheap shots and getting irate.
Reagan gave amnesty to a large number of illegals but that doesn't really change the landscape.


The landscape needs to be changed. I am only stating that all of us need to rethink the status quo and work toward a common understanding that solves the problems. That's being irate?

I fully understand that the policies of the past have resulted in the debacle that we are looking at today. You quoting history does not do anything to change it.
Be the change. Act to make things better. Try to come up with solutions, instead of blaming innocent children and waving Reagan and the New Deal around. What does that prove?

The IMF? Really? [sarasm] Oh, yeah, THEY are who I want running the world. The super elite dictators of planet earth. [/sarcasm]

And you tell me I'm hysterical and need to get a grip, too emotional and irate, while you look to Limbaugh as a credible and level-headed source?

I'm retiring for the evening. Thanks to all of those who made an effort to engage in an intelligent and meaningful discussion about what to do about American citizen children's hunger issues.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Those children that the governor is cutting aid for are U.S. Citizens.

If we're going to get rid of birth right citizenship then it would only be fair if we went through all the records to find out if your grandparents came here as immigrants, and if they did, then we should also revoke your citizenship as you did not inherit your citizenship because your ancestors came here as immigrants.

I think this would greatly reduce the burden on our infrastructure, hospitals and welfare

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If you are talking to me, My ancestor fought in the Revolutionary War.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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No comment to you as you are being entirely rude and demeaning because I challenged your position.

In fact you completely disregard the entire point made by Rush and consequently by me, that under Obamanomics, that many people are on food stamps. Thus any one who happens to be out of work, illegal or not, are struggling.
But never mind that socialism doesn't work. Never mind this president is causing unprecedent numbers of people to become dependent on the State.

I am an anti Statist and you have read me as someone who just doesnt care about others.

Good luck with your thread though.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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My grandfather fought in the Vietnam war and my dad is a gulf war vet

Your point?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
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My grandfather fought in the Vietnam war and my dad is a gulf war vet

Your point?


Attacking people as descending from illegals out of spite is my point.


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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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no human in this day of age should be going to bed hungry. id give up all my earnings if i knew it was going to a good cause. to keep people fed and clothed



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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As a point of civil discussion, I found a site for Carnegie Endowment discussing the effects of NAFTA, so take it as you will.
www.carnegieendowment.org...

■NAFTA has produced a disappointingly small net gain in jobs in Mexico. Data limitations preclude an exact tally, but it is clear that jobs created in export manufacturing have barely kept pace with jobs lost in agriculture due to imports. There has also been a decline in domestic manufacturing employment, related in part to import competition and perhaps also to the substitution of foreign inputs in assembly operations. About 30 percent of the jobs that were created in the maquiladora assembly plants in the 1990s have since disappeared. Many of these operations were relocated to lower- wage countries, particularly China.


And here seems to be why workers there are paid less


While labor market supply and demand and footloose global production undoubtedly contribute to the decoupling of wages from productivity seen in Mexico, it is also the case that Mexican institutions have been biased against wage increases. For example, it has been government policy to hold down the minimum wage over most of the last two decades. This has been done both to increase global competitiveness of Mexican labor and exports and to meet structural adjustment goals.


Who would have thought that jobs in Mexico would be exported to China?
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides


Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But Rush implicated the Obamanomics as creating more dependence on welfare with his policies.

Didn't Rush say about a year ago he would rather the US fail, then be under a Obama rule?
So safe to say what his word is worth!!
I know this may be hard for some to grasp, but Presidents, Dem and GOP, do not induce polices to hurt the populace.

At times in our Global Economy , things are happening at a grander scale that despite polices, things do get worse.


I'm not at all surprised by this response from you based on your posts I've read recently elsewhere.
Are you disputing the point because you have so much hate for Rush? Are you going to not look at the statistics just because it was on Rush's show?

Are you trying to say that Presidents and both parties really care about all of us and therefore all that is happening is just some bizarre freak of global economy?

I believe that is an attempt to explain away the effects of One World govt policies made by Internationalists and the UN as being just an odd anomaly. Will it be fixed as oddly and spontaneously as well?
Are you an advocate of the Free market or an advocate of Statism and centralized planning?
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