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Kansas slashes food aid for children of illegal immigrants

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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The problem with anchor babies would be solved if the US abolished birthright citizenship and let the citizenship be inherited instead, as the rest of the world does. It makes much more sense.




posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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I agree with you.
While I don't begrudge these desperate people coming here with hopes of improving the lives (if not saving the lives) of their children, it is imperative to recognize the source of the loopholes.

If the babies born here of undocumented immigrants were not considered citizens, there would be less of a draw for those impoverished people to take the risks to ensure that their children have a foothold in a place where they themselves have no claim.

Even better, if the US and the govts of the countries from where they come would coordinate to ensure the well-being of the citizens in both places, the problem would evaporate.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
The problem with anchor babies would be solved if the US abolished birthright citizenship and let the citizenship be inherited instead, as the rest of the world does. It makes much more sense.


I agree. That is the real answer. Anyone born in the U.S. of noncitizen parents should be a citizen of their parents' country. That being said, I think anyone should be allowed to apply for u.s. citizenship and those that meet proper requirements or skillsets should be allowed. I am definitely not an isolationist, I just think there are better ways to handle immigration policy than to create an illegal immigrant and humanitarian nightmare for all those involved.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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illegal, right ?

good.

I'm sure there are plenty of hungry kids in legal households.

if I lived in Kansas, that's where I would want my taxes going



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Deport the illegal aliens and their anchor babies. Most of them are here to abuse the system we have built.

They come to America, squirt out a baby, and congratulate themselves for "beating the system".

It is disgusting.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Society does recognize we are their neigbors. We need to cut off the incentive or they will keep coming here to have their children. Tell me again why Mexico and El Salvador's problems are ours? California hospitals have gone bankrupt because the ambulances come over the border to them knowing they won't be turned away. Get a grip, We would never be given this stuff if we tried doing the same thing in Mexico. Mexico is tough on their illegals. It's jail time for those who sneak in more than once.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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If any US citizen was caught sneaking in to any foreign country , especially Mexico, they would throw us prison for ransom.

We owe the Aliens nothing, doesn't matter if they have children or not, load all their asses up and shipem back to mexico with chip installed, to ensure they get picked back before they get within 1 mile from the US/ mexico border



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Deport the illegal aliens and their anchor babies. Most of them are here to abuse the system we have built.

They come to America, squirt out a baby, and congratulate themselves for "beating the system".

It is disgusting.
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I've read that some have bragged that they can have their babies in our hospitals at taxpayer expense, plus free education.
I read somewhere that Italians were coming over and working a few yeaers, went back to Italy and collected Social Security. It's a ruse. It is not fair for US taxpayers to be on the hook for people like this. Europe is full of them. I don't understand why American liberals glority the wonders of Europe.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by sweetnlow
If any US citizen was caught sneaking in to any foreign country , especially Mexico, they would throw us prison for ransom.

We owe the Aliens nothing, doesn't matter if they have children or not, load all their asses up and shipem back to mexico with chip installed, to ensure they get picked back before they get within 1 mile from the US/ mexico border




And steal our cars, jewelry, watches, whatever. The rfid is a slippery slope thoughh.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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I heard on the Rush LImbaugh show tonight that in New York alone, out of 7 million people there are 2.9 million people on food stamps. This does not reflect any statistics on illegals. I'm sure some of them are. But Rush implicated the Obamanomics as creating more dependence on welfare with his policies.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Ron Paul loses a lot of the conservative vote over this issue.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Yes, you are right. Mexico needs to take care of it's own Nationals and not dump them in our back yard. I believe it was Calerone who was promoting those pamphlets telling people how to cross the border without dying, how to get ID cards at the consulate and so on. Think he is not complicit in this? Mexico has all the same jobs their Nationals do here, landscaping, agriculture, oil, gold mining, construction, they just pay lower.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Tell me again why Mexico and El Salvador's problems are ours?

Seriously?
You mean to express that you see no connection between the problems of the citizens of Mexico and El Salvador in relation to why they are coming here??
If the people in those countries had supportive governments and an honest infrastructure, why on earth would they come here??

Your reasoning is severely wanting.
And you belie your signature.

They are our neighbors. It's no different than ghetto-dwellers coming to the 'burbs and robbing homes and stealing cars. So... how is the ghetto's problem that of the suburban, comfortable people who are being victimized?

Good grief. You folks are so short-sighted.
It's really sad, and a large part of the reason that so many other countries feel negative about the US citizens.
Shameful!.

If any ONE of you can tell me that your ancestors back before 1600 were BORN here (that would be the descendants of the First Tribes, who also got next to exterminated and have every reason to be very angry) and not immigrants who fled the oppression of their own homelands.....and STILL have this sense of "mine, mine, mine"....
you have been very poorly brought up and educated, and kept in complete ignorance about the history of this nation. What a crying shame.

As for Mr Syrix High Priest Floating Guy....do you not realize that the school systems have a built in "free-lunch" program?
Do you realize the hungry kids of any family who lives below a certain level receive a free lunch if hey need it, and for many of them it's the ONLY mean they will have?
You want the Hispanic kids to stand and go hungry while their equally impoverished peers are fed?

It's enough to make me throw my hands up in despair.
I'd hoped for better from ATS members. How foolish and naive of me to look for compassion among the people so happily born in the land of plenty. And you all wonder why there is so much civil unrest and trouble everywhere.

*facepalm*



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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I didn't say that Mexico and El Salvador have the same reasons for being here. But what difference does it really make? This is just more redistributionist theory. Did you not read the part of my post where I stated that Mexico has lots of resources? It is not that there are no jobs there, it's that the jobs pay less than even they pay here. You don't seem to grasp the idea that people are taking advantage just because they can. If they want to be here then they should get in line behind all the other people who want to be here.
Then there's the gangs. Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13 gangs from El Salvador. They are very violent and are in our schools.

As with all “outlaw” gangs, MS 13 is involved in crimes: robbery, murder, drugs, rape, prostitution and so on. The biggest difference with gang is ;
their willingness—eagerness—to use overt violence to punctuate their activities,

their paramilitary type structure and order that comes from years of civil wars and insurgencies in Central America,

the concern that MS-13 could form an alliance with al-Qaida and help terrorists gain illegal entry into the United States. Note: The FBI has investigated rumors of such links.






Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the FBI have taken note of this gang have issued advisory memos to their personnel to be cautious. The Border Patrol has been directly targeted by this gang because they slowed down the “people smuggling” along the US/Mexican border that is one of their primary money making ventures


What does this mean to schools? One expert on MS 13 has said that the scariest element of this gang is the young people, mostly Middle School age and up. They are attracted to this gang and join to fulfill a sense of belonging. They are willing to go through a brutal beating as initiation, then they are eager to prove themselves by showing how brutal they can be during gang activities. The next scariest group is the “wannabees” or those who are too young, maybe 8 years old, who are not ready for the gang but want to show that they are worthy. With the poor impulse control of youth and often a shallow well of values, these extremely young people do some extremely violent things to other people.


keystosaferschools.com...


See, they are part of the border smuggling rings.

why would you want to endanger our children by promoting a policy which gives people like this a safe haven and a way to abuse the system?
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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In the u.k the immigrants travel through many different countries to get here, 370000 are claiming in work benefits approximately 30million pounds a week. There is even more immigrants claiming hardship benefits and getting their rent payed for them and cases of landlords being payed 15000 pound a month to house a family of asylum seekers. Where as the indigenous people are facing wage freezes and benefit cuts.
Problem solved- put them on a flight over here, everyone else is coming and in record numbers.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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You don't seem to grasp the idea that people are taking advantage just because they can.

I grasp the idea just fine.

You don't seem to read other people posts very carefully to look for what they are saying.
You're resorting to spewing Limbaugh Crapola without looking at the bigger picture.

I've already stated that those countries need guidance to keep their citizens healthy. I've also stated that we, as "successful" neighbors (if you want to call this shambles of a country successful) have a vested interest in facilitating their being able to do so.
Education, diplomacy, acceptance and meeting the neighbors where they are...to help them get to where they think they want to be...EDIT TO PREEMPT MISCONSTRUING: In their home countries.
Where they would like their own people to be on the continuum of successful.
btw, Limbaugh is a class-A horses butt.





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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Did you not read the part of my post where I stated that Mexico has lots of resources? It is not that there are no jobs there, it's that the jobs pay less than even they pay here.

And you know this...how? An ignorant assumption.
Are you a Mexican national? An ex-patriot? Have you ever visited a tiny ranchito with no modern conveniences? Ever met a tiny little shriveled old woman who looks 120 years old, and she's only 70? Ever had a conversation with people who came from desperately hopeless and neglected little communities?
Ever?

I didn't think so.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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LImbaugh said nothing about illegals. I was merely citing the number of people on food stamps in New York. I don't know what percentage of those are illegals.

Spewing, ok if telling the truth is spewing I'm fine with that.
It is all well and good to want to help people in need, but we have huge problems related to this, and people like you would sacrifice the safety of our school kids.


Clearly my comments don't support your ideals of social welfare so you have to use derogatory terms like "spewing".
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Did you not read the part of my post where I stated that Mexico has lots of resources? It is not that there are no jobs there, it's that the jobs pay less than even they pay here.

And you know this...how? An ignorant assumption.
Are you a Mexican national? An ex-patriot? Have you ever visited a tiny ranchito with no modern conveniences? Ever met a tiny little shriveled old woman who looks 120 years old, and she's only 70? Ever had a conversation with people who came from desperately hopeless and neglected little communities?
Ever?

I didn't think so.


Well, I'll tell you how I know. I looked it up during a course in economics. I also told the class I thought that we had a problem with a trade deficit with China and that was in 06 and now it's big news. My instructor agreed with me.
Accusing me of being a Mexican National is too funny.
And now you are pulling the usual card of why dont I care about all those poor little old ladies.



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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But Rush implicated the Obamanomics as creating more dependence on welfare with his policies.

Didn't Rush say about a year ago he would rather the US fail, then be under a Obama rule?
So safe to say what his word is worth!!
I know this may be hard for some to grasp, but Presidents, Dem and GOP, do not induce polices to hurt the populace.

At times in our Global Economy , things are happening at a grander scale that despite polices, things do get worse.



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