Why a war with Iran is necessary should talking fail.

There may almost always be a peaceful solution to every problem. Even if it means going to Iran by the thousands and literally hugging people and passing out gifts and showing them that you mean them no harm and you only wish them peace and love.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
There may almost always be a peaceful solution to every problem. Even if it means going to Iran by the thousands and literally hugging people and passing out gifts and showing them that you mean them no harm and you only wish them peace and love.

Its a beautiful idea.

Only problem is the US Gov has been speaking for us, there will be no hugs.

reply to post by seagull
Good read but you stayed very basic, there is so much more involved. You have the Russians, Chinese and like you said and worst of all the ideolgy/religion's that are the base of all of this insane posturing. All that is really needed at this time in history is a human that has had enough or one that belives in the 12th Iman or one that just wants to end it all and blame it on there God. We don't have the so call cool heads that we had when the US and Russia were playing this horrable game of brakesmanship, we realized the catastrophic consecquences of our actions, I don't think the people and cultures involved in this event care.

Well I got to the end of page 4 before I had to respond. It seems everyone against Iran having nuclear weapons thinks it will destabilize the region. I think a more correct term would be a re-stabilizing of the middle east, and by that I mean the US and her interests wouldn't have the same clout in the area anymore. I agree with the other poster about why the US thinks it can dictate who gets to have nukes and who doesn't. Does "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ring any bells? Well the US certainly can't cast the first stone on this issue.

I came to ATS b/c I wanted to discuss things without being crucified or labeled a "nut". (Or not labeled a nut as MUCH if you prefer) What bothers me the most in this thread, no disrespect to anybody intended mind you, is the very idea that it couldn't possibly be anyone's fault BUT Iran. He/she has made it abundantly clear for the "umpteenth" time, that they're not a warmonger, and don't want to see anyone else hurt, without realizing that WE, (the US) are the ones that have been doing the hurting ad nauseum for DECADES.

And we don't give a rip what anyone else thinks, we don't NEED to, b/c we have govt. sponsored media now, so it doesn't matter what the truth actually IS, we'll make up whatever truth we want that fits our needs. (Does anyone seriously deny this?)

We also don't care b/c we don't HAVE to care yet, our currency is the "world reserve" currency, so we can just continue to print more, etc. We have the world's best military, best high tech weapons, we have the most powerful allies, (with the exception of China & Russia of course) So why should we care?

And see, that's the crux of the argument here, there is no "right/wrong" anymore, there is only "us vs. them", whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, or try to change it, don't worry we'll be doing a cover story(hitpiece) on you someday too on the lamestream media, so you're not taken seriously.

Talk about the dangers of Iran all ya wish, they had a fake election a couple of years ago, those poor ppl DIED to get the word out on their cellphones, using English placards over their phones to get the message out, but did we intervene? Hell no. Why? We weren't ready yet, not to help, but to try and conquer.

With NDAA, with the 4th amendment going bubye in Illinois, with drones flying over in Denver now like in the M.E., etc etc Iran doesn't scare me a 10th as much as my own country does!

To quote Lewis Black, how they gonna attack us? Make a bomb, and then have 500 of them load the weapon on the back of a camel and THROW it at us? Maybe, just maybe, we SHOULD focus on ourselves for a time, and try to defend what little freedoms we have left, and THEN worry about Iran.

Have a good day all.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by McGinty

 

May I say, I hope you are right?

This warmonger really doesn't want to be right.

The worst thing we can do is slip into war without realising, and taking a definitive position was the best way to start this debate. Platitudes will get us nowhere.

Originally posted by seagull
No where, on this thread, or any where else, have I advocated the cessation of negotiation. As long as they're talking, the bombs aren't falling. This is a good thing.

The two views of Iran are thus:

1) They're peaceful, and wish only to pursue peaceful uses of Nuclear Energy.

2) That alongside this peaceful pursuit, they're clandestinely pursuing the means to produce nuclear weapons.

I actually agree with both those views. I don't actually think Iran would use the damned things should they indeed be pursuing that avenue... But they don't need to use them, or even have them, for it to be a destabilizing threat to the region at large, and the world in general. The mere threat of them having them is enough to do it.

How is Iran supposed to prove a negative? IAEA inspectors had access to all Iranian nuclear facilities. Nowhere found the IAEA or any intelligence agency evidence, that Iran has diverted nuclear material away from their civilian installations for a weapons programme.

The important new allegations from the IAEA-report Nov. 2011 are based on documents retrieved from the “Iranian laptop of death”. This laptop was handed over to the US in 2004 from an Iranian citizen. He claimed to have stolen it from an Iranian nuclear technician.

How should Iran respond to these allegations made by the IAEA and the US? The documents found on the laptop are perhaps not as clumsily made as the Niger yellowcake uranium forgeries, but there are numerous strong indications that they are nothing more than forgeries. (see my previous posts).

Here is a youtube video of the former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter. It is from 2007, but the information and arguments are still relevant today. Those claiming, that Iran has a clandestine WMD-program should provide the sources on which they base their claims. I am really interested if they base their claims on their gut-feeling, the Iranian laptop or some other source.

Iran can defuse this RIGHT NOW if they wanted by proving to the world they don't have nuclear weapons, or intend on building them. Live to fight another day. Yet all they do is respond with threats of their own. Smart? Or stupid?

This is a bunch of bs. There's no evidance Iran is trying to make nuclear weapons. Our own government admits this. You guys that think otherwise are brainwashed.

What they're trying to do is make fuel rods to sell to power plants. We have no right to stop them.

Originally posted by mrnotobc
This is a bunch of bs. There's no evidance Iran is trying to make nuclear weapons. Our own government admits this. You guys that think otherwise are brainwashed.

What they're trying to do is make fuel rods to sell to power plants. We have no right to stop them.

If you don't believe me check this out.


www.rawstory.com...

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S&F with some very good points. Some portray the USA/ Israel as war mongers going for peace lovin' Iran. but it is iran that are openly building missiles with the ability to strike Western targets and covertly building a nuclear bomb, these facts are recognised and not up for debate. What is whether these weapons are defensive or offensive. Those that think it has no bearing on their life if Iran becomes armed with the N bombs and ICBMS are compeltely mistaken. it will either start a catastrophic war or a new world order. Sitting back and waiting is what created the monster that was WW1. the western allies sat and watched whilst Germany/ Austria/ Hungary got their houses in order, only reacting whent they launched ther invasion of Serbia and by then it was too late. Surely better to act whilst the initiative and power is with Western PTB rather than wait for Iran to demonstrate they have achieved their goals??

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You're so full of crap your eyes are brown. Where's the proof? There isn't any.

Originally posted by RestlessNRG
reply to post by seagull

 

S&F with some very good points. Some portray the USA/ Israel as war mongers going for peace lovin' Iran. but it is iran that are openly building missiles with the ability to strike Western targets and covertly building a nuclear bomb, these facts are recognised and not up for debate.

Aha, Iran is not allowed to openly build missiles. Israel and the US are building thousands of missiles, test them, use them in their wars and also proliferate them worldwide. Do you see a doube standard?

If it is an undebatable fact that Iran is engaging in a nuclear WMD-program you can surely provide a source. I and others asked that multiple times. So far every poster who has claimed that Iran has a clandestine nuclear program has failed to provide the sources on which they base their claims on. Perhaps you can do better?

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Originally posted by tyranny22
Why stop there? Canada has a lot of oil!

Let's invade them too.

Admit it, those cooky Canadians are an accident waiting to happen. Free healthcare? Are they freaking Socialist up there?! I say we liberate them in the name of peace and Democracy. Really, when you think about it, it's only the right thing to do, eh?

Who's with me?

Hooray for Socialism!!

Come for the oil and free healthcare, then stick around for the fresh water supply and abundant mineral resources.

Seriously, though, how could such a ripe fruit not be on the picking list?

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by seagull

 

a moderator is talking this....


disgusting....

IF americans think like this,I hope Russia nukes and wages biological and thermonuclear genocide and eradicates the americans from this planet. We don't need genocidal american warmongers.

If Russia nukes the US..what would armchair warriors like yourself do without the ATS since everything is registered and hosted here in the states.....

Originally posted by seagull
a country that actively courts terrorist organizations

As far as I'm concerned, and to many people around the Earth, the US government is a terrorist organization. They use violence and fear to push their global politics.

ter·ror·ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun:
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Originally posted by the4thhorseman

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by seagull

 

a moderator is talking this....


disgusting....

IF americans think like this,I hope Russia nukes and wages biological and thermonuclear genocide and eradicates the americans from this planet. We don't need genocidal american warmongers.

If Russia nukes the US..what would armchair warriors like yourself do without the ATS since everything is registered and hosted here in the states.....

Anyone who is a warrior is a fool. There is no need for violence in this day and age.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Anyone who is a warrior is a fool. There is no need for violence in this day and age.

Too bad the Iranians cannot be convinced of this as well.

To those attacking the author of the OP for having a position on this, and using the fact that he/she is a moderator as some kind of means to dismiss very valid views on these complex issues, rather than confronting the issues alone with equally valid views, information and positions.

Two words... Weak, and lame.

Attack the messenger, not the message... Hmmm could be a new motto for ATS eh?