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reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:33 PM by Drunkenshrew

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Drunkenshrew

The only thing I see on this thread is people continuing following their agendas :

Zionists don't want another powerful nation in the region.

And Zionisms supporters don't want it ,too.

The sad thing is that most people who support Zionism or an “exceptionalist” jingoistic agenda in the Middle East aren't even aware that they behave like paranoid supremacists. They believe their opinions, assumptions and presumptions are true knowledge and facts. The same holds true for people who believe, they must wage war against a far away country for “humanitarian reasons”. Both groups are usually unaware, that they are manipulated by a well-organized group which uses the MSM repetition-machine as a tool to reinforce their propaganda.

I am happy if only one hawk takes the time and follows some of the links I provided in my previous posts. Conflicting information which can destroy the propaganda is out there. Studying it should at least raise some doubt. Especially if the would-be interventionists recognize, that they have been lied to before. Regardless how often a reason to go to war is repeated by the media and others, war should never be based on just accepting hearsay as truth.

reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:51 PM by ballisticmousse

If Iran is attacked by the military, the world ends.

I see no reason why my life or those of my family should be terminated just to protect some far away country like Israel.

reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 02:03 PM by Aeons

reply to post by TheExopolitician

Ah yes. Azerbaijan and the Aremenians and the pipelines and Georgia and all that jazz.

I'll see if I can dig out some of the stuff I've been reading up on about the area.

reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 02:13 PM by hmdphantom

Originally posted by Drunkenshrew

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Drunkenshrew

The only thing I see on this thread is people continuing following their agendas :

Zionists don't want another powerful nation in the region.

And Zionisms supporters don't want it ,too.

Regardless how often a reason to go to war is repeated by the media and others, war should never be based on just accepting hearsay as truth.

This is almost a year I am spending my time here and outside here to find the agendas behind governments movements and strategies.

Just one year and not much.

But the thing is just very bothering me is that people let themselves to be stupid when watching TV.

TV is their Messiah and in TV they trust.

And it is the TV which take over their hearts and minds.

Logic will be left behind when you deceive it.

And that is their problem. They let their logic be deceived and they consider it ordinary.

or if they manage to know that they have been lied to , they just say "you will never know".

reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 06:44 PM by superman2012

Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Drunkenshrew

Iran has more then shown its hatred for Israel . Tyrants will sometimes make public there intend. Hitler warned that he intended to invade the Soviet Union in his book Mein Kampf. Appeasement only brings about destruction.

reply to post by superman2012

Nice use of a Straw man . BTW its illogical to suggest Iran would develop nukes and not ever use them offensively.

Thanks, I love straw.

BTW why do you believe it is illogical to suggest Iran would develop nukes and not use them offensively? India and Pakistan seem to be doing fine and they have been rivals since 1947. Why can't Iran and Israel have them, because Israel is scared and the US is deciding to stick their nose in yet another country's business? It just doesn't make sense why people are on ATS and have a big heaping bowl of MSM in the morning, afternoon, and night.

reply posted on 26-1-2012 @ 02:10 AM by xpert11

reply to post by superman2012

Pakistan internal issues prevent it from confronting India. Once Pakistan has sorted it self then who knows?
I explained in a above post why its illogical . Another way of putting is to claim that when the US first developed Atom bomb they didn't plan on using it. The same goes for say the B-52. In this post MAD era newly developed will only any good if put into use. Well for a country like Iran that is just obtaining them anyway. If you look at how many times Israel has been invaded by her neighbours then you might get a better handle on things. Its funny how such stuff gets overlooked.

reply posted on 26-1-2012 @ 06:18 AM by superman2012

Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by superman2012

Pakistan internal issues prevent it from confronting India. Once Pakistan has sorted it self then who knows?
I explained in a above post why its illogical . Another way of putting is to claim that when the US first developed Atom bomb they didn't plan on using it. The same goes for say the B-52. In this post MAD era newly developed will only any good if put into use. Well for a country like Iran that is just obtaining them anyway. If you look at how many times Israel has been invaded by her neighbours then you might get a better handle on things. Its funny how such stuff gets overlooked.

It's even more funny that people believe that Iran is looking to end the war and kill its entire population! Why don't you look to see how many times Iran has invaded anyone? Newly developed does not mean that they are going to use it, it could be the reason why everyone after America developed one, for a deterrent. Plus they won't even have enough uranium enriched this year. I just don't understand why people are so adamant that Iran wants to kill Israel and even more confused why people want to enter a war on behalf of Israel and see their neighbors and innocents in another land get killed! Iran says it is not developing nukes, IAEA says they have no proof, and the US says Iran is not developing nukes, now you also have ISIS saying they don't even have any fuel and won't for this entire year to have a nuke. Why do people let MSM and western propaganda feed them every day?

Pakistan internal issues prevent it from confronting India. Once Pakistan has sorted it self then who knows?

Plus, what is stopping India from preemptively striking Pakistan? That is what a lot of people are advocating Israel/US to do to Iran.

edit on 26-1-2012 by superman2012 because: adding pakistan issue question

reply posted on 1-2-2012 @ 03:09 PM by superman2012

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by superman2012

Alright then.

Now let's wait and see if that meeting actually takes place.

It happened, and it went well. So what/who is the US going to use in place of the Iran boogeyman now?
IAEA, Iran to meet again after "good" talks

I don't believe that anyone on this thread that was "cheering" for Iran to be the bad guy, will actually respond I just put this up there for the people that are following this thread.

reply posted on 1-2-2012 @ 10:15 PM by pavil

Originally posted by superman2012

India and Pakistan seem to be doing fine and they have been rivals since 1947. Why can't Iran and Israel have them,

Truth be told, I don't think that India and Pakistan having nuclear weapons is something that was or is desirable, then or now. If I had to put money on the first exchange of nuclear weapons, that's where I would bet.

Same thing with Israel and any Middle Eastern power, it's bad enough one side has the weapons, both sides having them is infinitely more dangerous in my opinion. With these smaller type countries you'd think MAD would be even more of a deterrent, but somehow I don't think that is the case. Their pride on each side will be their downfall, I don't think the moment when they look over the nuclear abyss, they will be able to pull back.

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