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How gullible do you have to be to think Iran is a threat?

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Would Iran really nuke Israel? NOT A CHANCE....

1) Muslims want it because they view it as their holy land; a nuke would demolish their holy land and effectively be a suicide on their own religion.

2) The retaliation would turn their country into a crater

3) They have no way to deliver the bomb.

Has political propaganda convinced you otherwise?


It's just an excuse to start another war, and a great weapon to convince non-independent thinkers that Ron Paul is dangerous. They kill two birds with one stone.

But NO MUSLIM would ever desecrate their own 'holy' land, and what do you think a Nuke would do? Send it into a pile of rubble, then their own country.

State your facts, or admit your embarrassment for believing this fable.




posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Wait a minute!!!!!

Where are your facts that iran would not nuke isreal?

What you gave was your opinion, not facts.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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Although I don't believe Iran would be stupid enough to ask for a nuclear exchange, there's something much more diabolical and threatening at hand. Let me explain. Let's say Iran isn't even close to obtaining a nuclear weapon; combined with the fact most Americans don't want another war & are starting to see past the fearmongering. At this point, the elites goes to plan B: false flag nuclear attack.

They won't hesitate to kill one or two million people, if it means furthering their own agenda of war. As disgusting & horrifying as it is, psychopaths have zero remorse for mass murder & most of them revel in death and destruction. This is what I fear the most.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by PLASIFISK
Wait a minute!!!!!

Where are your facts that iran would not nuke isreal?

What you gave was your opinion, not facts.




They are stated as fact, not opinion.

If they nuked the Muslim holy land, it would eventually destroy the Muslim religion. They also would be nuked from Israel and the US.

Facts, but I know you aren't used to seeing them from the mainstream media.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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it's situations like this that are usually meant to divert our attention from the real atrocities going on and is why it's in the media like the flavor of the week pop song put into heavy rotation on radio or tv i mean F i've worked all my life, at 12 years old i was making precast and concrete lawn furniture with my grandfather and haven't stopped since and right now i'm putting my oldest daughter through college and the struggle is literally horrifying so usually war is the best remedy to cover up the fact that we're a broken country and no one, No One can fix it. so untill we can get greed out of human nature we will continue the status quo sadly, however i do feel like something is building to a head and i'm kinda excited to see what happens i just hope it's within my life time and not just gas from the 3 bowels bean soup i just ate haha.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Ohhhhh boy, here we go.

Ok so, what you stated was facts and not your opinion. Please provide links to the iranian president saying he would not attack israel with nukes. Verbatum.

What makes you think you KNOW what im used to? You dont know me! Hahaha
edit on 22-1-2012 by PLASIFISK because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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No facts, no embarassment, I'm just talkin'.

Depending on the yield of the nuke and where they exploded it, they could keep the damage moderately well controlled. They still have Mecca and Medina, it wouldn't be suicide of their religion. Give up a temple or two to get rid of Israel? Sure they would.

Retaliation? Who's going to do that? If Iran believes they can take out Israel with a first strike, all they'd have to worry about is Obama. HA. that counts as a joke. With China and Russia saying don't retaliate and the elections coming up?

Can't deliver it? We know they have short and medium range missiles. There may be some technical problems left but neither you nor I know whether they can fit the appropriate warhead yet.

You also seem to be basing your theories on the idea that Iran is rational. There is very little proof for that.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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This argument has been posted numerous times.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:18 AM
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Just because they are stated as fact doesn't make them fact. If I state as fact that there is a unicorn in my backyard right now....that doesn't make it so. Real facts have supporting evidence...your facts do not.

I firmly believe Iran is a threat, and not just to Israel but to much of the Middle East and North America. Their acts of aggression and outspoken ways tells us much.

There is nothing gullible about that.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by xstealth


But NO MUSLIM would ever desecrate their own 'holy' land, and what do you think a Nuke would do? Send it into a pile of rubble, then their own country.



Muslims will not desecrate their Holy Lands with bombs,but have NO problem fighting and killing amongst their own. From sectarian violence,to terrorist acts among their own peoples.


That IS a fact.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by xstealth
 


Just because they are stated as fact doesn't make them fact. If I state as fact that there is a unicorn in my backyard right now....that doesn't make it so. Real facts have supporting evidence...your facts do not.

I firmly believe Iran is a threat, and not just to Israel but to much of the Middle East and North America. Their acts of aggression and outspoken ways tells us much.


If there is a unicorn in your backyard, and you know for a fact that it is there then it's a fact. You don't need sources documenting the fact to prove that it's a fact; when it's in fact already a fact.

Pointless argument though on that note, so on to the next.....

Iran hasn't been militarily aggressive, however they do talk a bunch of smack. I've ran across this problem 100 times in life, you know how many time all that smack talk has been backed? None. (that's just personal experience, not a general fact for everyone.)

They have a third world military, will no capabilities of delivering any precise military strike on Israel that wouldn't threaten their own 'holy land'. Their Arab allies would never allow it to even get to that point.

Also, speaking of facts, there aren't any proving that they are developing a weapon.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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You're talking in circles and have thus far produced zero credible evidence to back up your claims. There is no fact in that my friend. It's opinion.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by xstealth


Also, speaking of facts, there aren't any proving that they are developing a weapon.





Have they let the International Community into their secret underground bases?

Why not if their Nuclear Ambitions are only for "peaceful intentions"?

Why sign a treaty?

Why have "hidden bases"?

How gullible is this thread?



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by xstealth
Would Iran really nuke Israel? NOT A CHANCE....

1) Muslims want it because they view it as their holy land; a nuke would demolish their holy land and effectively be a suicide on their own religion.

2) The retaliation would turn their country into a crater

3) They have no way to deliver the bomb.

Has political propaganda convinced you otherwise?



How can you assume that a brain-washed society (which MOST regimes are) - as well as religious fanatics and extremists use "logic" like you do and base their decisions on rational thinking?

Do you see any EVIDENCE that "those people" are rational - seeing the history of the middle-east with all the wars etc.?

I don't!



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Awwwww mannnnnn!!!!!!

He bailed on his own thread!!!!!!

Tisk tisk.

Next!



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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The Islamic holy places are Mecca and Medina, which are both located in Saudi Arabia; nexus of the Jihad for Planet Earth.

Israel is simply another location in which Jihad occurs. Just like every other place on the planet were Islam interfaces with non-Islam, there is violent Jihad. The Islamic Empire will have no problem nuking Israel as it is NOT a holy place for muslims...it is only presented as such in order to conceal the goal of Jihad; Planet Earth.

Iran is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia. Iran will do the bidding of Allah who resides now In Mecca.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952

You also seem to be basing your theories on the idea that Iran is rational. There is very little proof for that.



The same can be said of western countries who've done some horrific things the last century. Iran hasn't done squat besides refuse to recognize Zion. Israel in charge of the world.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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How gullible does one have to be to assume that Iran isn't a threat?

It's too bad that so many are going to have learn of this the hard way.

Why is Iran so dangerous?

They are a theocracy, and their leadership should be considered categorically insane...

Radical Shiite leaders including the Ayatollah believe they can bring about the return of the "Mahdi" known to them as " Twelfth Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi" who upon return will rule for a period of time and rid the world of wrongdoing injustice and tyranny... He is the redeemer of Islam.


en.wikipedia.org...

The Twelfth Imam will return as the Mahdi with "a company of his chosen ones," and his enemies will be led by the one-eyed Antichrist and the Sufyani. The two armies will fight "one final apocalyptic battle" where the Mahdi and his forces will prevail over evil. After the Mahdi has ruled Earth for a number of years, Isa will return.


Isa (Jesus)

How will they know when the Mahdi will come?....

www.inter-islam.org...


Signs that will Precede Imam Mahdi

1) A General Sign

There are many signs that will precede him, a general and very important sign is that he will come at a time when there is great confutation, intense disputes and violent deaths. When people are afflicted by disturbance and experiencing great fear. Calamities will fall upon the people, so much so that a man shall not find a shelter to shelter him self from oppression. There will be battles and fitnaas before his appearance. Every time a fitnaa has come to end, another will start, spread and intensify. The people will be troubled to such an extent that they will long for death. It is then that Imam Mahdi will be sent.

Abu Saeed Al-Khudri has repoted that the Messenger of Allah said "He will be sent at a time of intense disputes and differences among people and earthquakes..." (Ahmed)


WAR!

Crazy ain't it?

They believe this "Twelfth Imam, Mahdi" will intervene in their war with the west, and the Zionist Jew oppressors and will rule the WORLD under Islamic law and the evil "great Satan" will be defeated and destroyed.

This is why they are fearless, this is why they provoke, this is why they threaten, and this is why they are absolutely the most dangerous regime on the planet....





Some of this post has been recycled to help save brain cells



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Answer: A typical American that gets their news from the MSM
...and follows the old credo of "My country, right or wrong."



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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That's all you will find on this website. Opinions of the educated and un-educated alike. If you do not like that, then I would suggest that you are looking in the wrong place.Opinions are just a starting place for an idea to form. What I do is I read various opinions, and if some line up with reality, in my understanding, than I research them. Too many of you ATSers are so lazy that when someone gives you a great post, you bitch about no sources or whatever, because plainly, you are just too lazy to go and look for them. So get to it. Oh ya, and btw, the OP is 100% correct. If you had researched it, you would have known that too. Less laziness, more incentive, would be my campaign slogan if I ran for the fictional position of Commander in Chief of ATS. lmao



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