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reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 09:07 AM by colbe
Originally posted by OhZone
Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFan,

I wish people would see God's plan as He has laid it out. All those
thinking oh yes, abortion is evil but there's nothing wrong with
Birth Control. To everybody who misunderstands God's teaching
on birth control. I am not making fun, it's God's choice, He decides
life and death. That's easy.


Would you like to tell us exactly how you know "God's plan"?
Where exactly does God say that abortion is evil?
Belief Systems are and have always been higly irrational.
When the results of anyone's Belief System encroaches upon the lives of other people their rights end.
If they have not the common sense to stop then government has to step in to stop them.
This is where the Constituion should be amended. That "free practice" of relligion is being abused to the detriment of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of others.

Yes, the world is overpopulated. Yes, the US is overpopulated. We are running out of room for our garbage.
Stuff in the Landfill areas are leaching into the ground water.
Our sewage systems are unable to properly process all that comes into them resulting in much overflow into our rivers, lakes and oceans. ALL of our waterways are polluted. There is no stream, even in the wildest wild that is safe to drink.


That's an easy one OhZone.

God's Fifth Commandment

Thou shalt not kill.

The world isn't overpopulated, that is a myth. Everyone in the world
can fit into the state of Texas. God said be fruitful and multiply, you
gotta trust Him.


God bless,

colbe


reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 07:37 PM by HattoriHanzou
Originally posted by anthonygillespie2012

U.S. Churches groups forced to give Birth Control by Government


us.m.yahoo .com
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Friday ruled that religiously affiliated nonprofit organizations, including hospitals and universities, will have to offer birth-control coverage to women employees but gave the organizations an extra year to comply.
(visit the link for the full news article)


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"The government's decision does not apply to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and some religiously-affiliated elementary and secondary schools, which remain exempt."

From the article.


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 08:04 AM by FlyersFan
I said I was out of the discussion but since you sent a U2U about your posting I'll respond to this post ...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
A Catholic hospital is a social service provider, not a church.

A Catholic hospital is an outreach that is based under the Church umbrella.
It can NOT be called a 'Catholic' hospital if it is forced to do things against the Catholic faith.
It has a right to run it's Church based outreach outreach as it sees fit.

There is a 'church' as in a church buildling and then there is a 'Church' as in a religion and organization. The Catholic Church is a religion and an organization. Just because the Church is participating in an outreach that isn't in a building that has stained glass and a steeple, doesn't make it any less of a Church based outreach that comes under the Church umbrella.

BH ... following your logic it would mean that the Salvation Army could be sued by homeless Jewish people because, in their non-church-looking-building soup kitchens, their religion doesn't provide kosher meals.

(and yes, the Salvation Army is a Church group ... a religion even recognized by the government.)

Originally posted by vogon42
This thread is about NON-christian rights being trampled by christian people.

No. Its about people working at a CATHOLIC hospital and wanting the CATHOLIC hospital to go against it's religion to provide health care which provides for abortions and birth control . It's about RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. People know what to expect when they agree to work for the Catholic Church. If they don't like it, they can work elsewhere.

Again .. I'm out of the discussion.
edit on 1/24/2012 by FlyersFan because: typo



reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 01:25 PM by charles1952
reply to post by SplitInfinity


It may be that I don't understand the issue either. I'm always confused.

Your post makes a powerful statement for the idea that the state has the right to require churches to do this. It may be that the question will be examined by the Supreme Court, but let's assume for the moment that you're correct and that will continue to be the applicable regulation. (And as you know, regulations are easily changed.)

But is it the right thing to do? Remember that Obama received the majority of Catholic votes in '08, it doesn't look so easy in 2012. Even the liberal Catholic Bishops and Cardinals are upset with him about this. Their parishoners won't be happy, but the Republicans will be when they pick up those extra voters.

Secondly, and something that Obama usually forgets, what will be the results of this decision? Either the leaders of the Church go against their beliefs on a question of grave moral error, or......

The best guess now is that they stop providing any insurance at all. This means Obamacare has to pick up these new people. It also means that the church-run hospital will be fined. The hospital will have less money to operate with and will start shutting down services, maybe closing entirely. More people on Obamacare, fewer resources to treat them. Is there anything good that comes out of this?


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 03:00 PM by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to
post by SplitInfinity


It may be that I don't understand the issue either. I'm always confused.

Your post makes a powerful statement for the idea that the state has the right to require churches to do this. It may be that the question will be examined by the Supreme Court, but let's assume for the moment that you're correct and that will continue to be the applicable regulation. (And as you know, regulations are easily changed.)

But is it the right thing to do? Remember that Obama received the majority of Catholic votes in '08, it doesn't look so easy in 2012. Even the liberal Catholic Bishops and Cardinals are upset with him about this. Their parishoners won't be happy, but the Republicans will be when they pick up those extra voters.

Secondly, and something that Obama usually forgets, what will be the results of this decision? Either the leaders of the Church go against their beliefs on a question of grave moral error, or......

The best guess now is that they stop providing any insurance at all. This means Obamacare has to pick up these new people. It also means that the church-run hospital will be fined. The hospital will have less money to operate with and will start shutting down services, maybe closing entirely. More people on Obamacare, fewer resources to treat them. Is there anything good that comes out of this?


I thank you for understanding. People have this misconception that the Doctors and Nurses that work at a Catholic Hospital are under any constraints other than State and Federal law...they are not. Just because the Vatican decides it needs a new CASH COW....pulls a few hundred Million out of their front pocket...slaps a sign on a Hospital that claims it is Religious in nature...has no bearing on what are legal viable procedures in the state or U.S. For a short period of time in Mass....where I live...and by the way we all have Healthcare....and those who cannot afford it get it free....those who can...pay less than most other states as there are many programs...and it works very well...and believe it or not...our once REPUBLICAN GOVERNER ROMNEY signed UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE into law in Mass.....for a short time a Catholic Hospital would let the Mother Die rather than ABORT the Fetus. This is no longer so and the Mothers health is paramount unless the baby is brought to term and SHE chooses to die to let the child live.

People must understand that CHURCHES or TEMPLES or MOSQUES are places of worship and money making machines for the RELIGIOUS ELITTE! Split Infinity


reply posted on 26-1-2012 @ 05:01 PM by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by vogon42



No, it's not. The topic is: "U.S. Churches groups forced to give Birth Control by Government."


reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 08:42 AM by vogon42
Looks like Obama stepped in and resolved the issue.

www.cnn.com...

So now employees WILL be able to receive preventative health care.

This is much better than these employees being denied it based on religious beliefs of OTHERS.


reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 08:55 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by anthonygillespie2012

U.S. Churches groups forced to give Birth Control by Government


us.m.yahoo .com
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Friday ruled that religiously affiliated nonprofit organizations, including hospitals and universities, will have to offer birth-control coverage to women employees but gave the organizations an extra year to comply.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:


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edit on 21-1-2012 by anthonygillespie2012 because: (no reason given)
edit on 21-1-2012 by anthonygillespie2012 because: (no reason given)



The Catholics are waging a HOLY WAR against the dictator in chief Obama.

Obama will lose this one.
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