Originally posted by OhZone

Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFan,

I wish people would see God's plan as He has laid it out. All those
thinking oh yes, abortion is evil but there's nothing wrong with
Birth Control. To everybody who misunderstands God's teaching
on birth control. I am not making fun, it's God's choice, He decides
life and death. That's easy.

Would you like to tell us exactly how you know "God's plan"?
Where exactly does God say that abortion is evil?
Belief Systems are and have always been higly irrational.
When the results of anyone's Belief System encroaches upon the lives of other people their rights end.
If they have not the common sense to stop then government has to step in to stop them.
This is where the Constituion should be amended. That "free practice" of relligion is being abused to the detriment of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of others.

Yes, the world is overpopulated. Yes, the US is overpopulated. We are running out of room for our garbage.
Stuff in the Landfill areas are leaching into the ground water.
Our sewage systems are unable to properly process all that comes into them resulting in much overflow into our rivers, lakes and oceans. ALL of our waterways are polluted. There is no stream, even in the wildest wild that is safe to drink.

That's an easy one OhZone.

God's Fifth Commandment

Thou shalt not kill.

The world isn't overpopulated, that is a myth. Everyone in the world
can fit into the state of Texas. God said be fruitful and multiply, you
gotta trust Him.


God bless,

colbe

Originally posted by FlyersFan
[quoteOriginally posted by Annee
It is a hospital - - with specific purpose to treat the sick.

.... in a Catholic atmosphere and within the guidelines of the Catholic church.

I would hate to think employment was based on religious belief.

No one said that.
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So EMPLOYMENT is not based on religious belief.

Yet the HEALTHCARE of those employees IS based on religious belief?

Seems to me someone is walking a very fine line here.

Originally posted by colbe
The world isn't overpopulated, that is a myth. Everyone in the world
can fit into the state of Texas.

This is just PURE ignorance!

If all we did was stand shoulder to shoulder, then yeah, we wouldn't take up much room. But what about our resources? What about all it takes to live? Crops, landfills, fresh water, shelters, stores, cities... A growing population becomes unsustainable.

You should get your head out of the bible and read some facts for a change. The world is overpopulated and will not sustain the growing population.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by colbe
The world isn't overpopulated, that is a myth. Everyone in the world
can fit into the state of Texas.

This is just PURE ignorance!

If all we did was stand shoulder to shoulder, then yeah, we wouldn't take up much room. But what about our resources? What about all it takes to live? Crops, landfills, fresh water, shelters, stores, cities... A growing population becomes unsustainable.

You should get your head out of the bible and read some facts for a change. The world is overpopulated and will not sustain the growing population.

THANK YOU for that response!

VERY well said.

S4U

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

"The government's decision does not apply to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and some religiously-affiliated elementary and secondary schools, which remain exempt."

From the article.

Yea, So, how does that apply to the topic of the thread?

This thread is about NON-christian rights being trampled by christian people.

I said I was out of the discussion but since you sent a U2U about your posting I'll respond to this post ...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
A Catholic hospital is a social service provider, not a church.

A Catholic hospital is an outreach that is based under the Church umbrella.
It can NOT be called a 'Catholic' hospital if it is forced to do things against the Catholic faith.
It has a right to run it's Church based outreach outreach as it sees fit.

There is a 'church' as in a church buildling and then there is a 'Church' as in a religion and organization. The Catholic Church is a religion and an organization. Just because the Church is participating in an outreach that isn't in a building that has stained glass and a steeple, doesn't make it any less of a Church based outreach that comes under the Church umbrella.

BH ... following your logic it would mean that the Salvation Army could be sued by homeless Jewish people because, in their non-church-looking-building soup kitchens, their religion doesn't provide kosher meals.

(and yes, the Salvation Army is a Church group ... a religion even recognized by the government.)

Originally posted by vogon42
This thread is about NON-christian rights being trampled by christian people.

No. Its about people working at a CATHOLIC hospital and wanting the CATHOLIC hospital to go against it's religion to provide health care which provides for abortions and birth control . It's about RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. People know what to expect when they agree to work for the Catholic Church. If they don't like it, they can work elsewhere.

Again .. I'm out of the discussion.

It is obvious to me that some of you do not understand the issue. Religions or Churches or Temples or whatever...are NON-TAXABLE orginizations for the sole purpose of Religious worship and money collection.

My personal opinion is the money they collect should be taxed...but it's not...and that is the law of the land. Just as it is that anyone who lives in the United States may have a Freedom Of Religion.

A Catholic Hospital is a CORPORATE ENTITY that does not fall under the guidelines of Non-Taxable and much money is made and most of the money collected by these hospitals comes from State Funded Medicare or Medicaid as well as Huge Healthcare Insurance Corps.

It is the RIGHT or the STATE whether or not to grant an aspiring Corp. or Group to obtain the licensing to Build and Opperate a HOSPITAL. JUST THE STATE and any other overlooking Federal Agencies.

A RELIGIOUS GROUP has NO SAY WHAT SO EVER in what an individual State or Federal Goverment Agency or Legislative Body determines what the code of conduct must be for all HOSPITALS!

The Hospital is allowed to opperate and make money soley at the discretion of the state and federal goverment.

Now if a specific Religious named or say Catholic Hospital were to do specific procedures for FREE...and only for free...they they would be allowed to determine what they will or will not do. Split Infinity

Well some religious organizations view the use of birth control as a sin.. Therefore offering this would circumvent their baseline doctrines..

I understand all individuals here supporting the use of birth control but forcing religious organizations to go against their core beliefs is a violation of the 1st amendment. Sad but true.

Originally posted by DaMod
Well some religious organizations view the use of birth control as a sin.. Therefore offering this would circumvent their baseline doctrines..

I understand all individuals here supporting the use of birth control but forcing religious organizations to go against their core beliefs is a violation of the 1st amendment. Sad but true.

I agree that it would be a violation of their rights but a HOSPITAL IS NOT A CHURCH nor is it a religious institution. It is a CORPORATE ENTITY THAT PAYS TAXES....just like any other hospital. Just because you put a sign on it stating it is a religious hospital does nothing to change the fact that it must abide by the laws rules and regulations that ALL HOSPITALS must abide by.

By your logic...if my religion said it was ok to borrow my buddies car and crash it...I don't have to pay for his damages if insurance doesn't cover it....is the same logic you are useing for Religious Hospitals not obeying State and Federal Laws. We have Freedom of Religion...so do the Doctors who opperate....but that does not mean that a CORPORATE ENTITY...because a HOSPITAL is not a church or temple...can just skirt the law.
Split Infinity

Originally posted by colbe
Can't be compared to birth
control and abortion, both involve murder.

How is using a condom equivalent to murder?

Originally posted by DaMod
Well some religious organizations view the use of birth control as a sin.. Therefore offering this would circumvent their baseline doctrines..

Then they shouldn't run a business with employees not of their belief.

This is a business - - it is not a church.

IMO - - it is equivalent to the counselor who was fired for not counseling a Lesbian - - because of her personal belief. Her job was to counsel. Her belief can not interfere with the job she was hired to do.