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Lamar, the author of SOPA comes back with an even worse bill

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:07 PM
P(C)IPA, who are these condescending legislatures fooling? Definitely not me, because I think for myself and question authority.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:20 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

Omg, they already track you when you go to any porn site. It's called Kellogg School Services, they must think were fu***** retarded!

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:31 PM
I agree with The Amazing Atheist latest video....
(see video: (strong language at times)

America doesn't need SOPA, PIPA or this New Bill H.R. 1981. If you don't think your telecom data (telephony data, SMS, EMS/MMS Data, IP, surf histroy, email headers etc.) is already retained, well you are probably a little naive. I doubt it gets reviewed unless somebody decides to take a "fishing trip" and you are the poor sap the comes up.

Here in the UK, ISP and Telecom providers "voluntarily" retain everything barring our DNA and the fluff from our navels. On top of that, the British intelligence agency dropped thousands of deep packet inspection probes into communications providers' networks at the cost of what is now probably billions. All completely top secret of course. They don't need the ISP's cooperation to spy on anybody.

Anyway, it probably just as well to remember that if you use the Internet, email, a mobile or any other telecom device your information is (more than likely) being retained already.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:38 PM

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 09:37 PM
I believe that a certain mr Stanhope can put into words my opinions about this whole "internet kiddie porn is rife!" thing alot better than I ever could!

If the general public had as much sense as this stand up comedian had. Then politicians would'nt be so tempted to wrap the fears and emotions of the people around whatever new bullcrap law they want to pass.

Dough Stanhope Internet Pedo's

Oohhhw! whats thats? magic dogs crap thats guaranteed to keep poor little timmy safe?
I'll take two cases please.
Thank you very much!
Eh? free kick in the balls with every case?
Well I must confess I didnt notice that sign.
Oh well, a deals a deal...

Oh that reminds me...
I thought while im recieving my ball kicking that maybe I could have a word with you about 'Cock-Fingering'?
I hear that it may be an even bigger threat to our society than the child pornography other people keep telling me is everywhere!


posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 10:43 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

this guy is a #ing joke, i hope to god he's not re-elected

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 10:57 PM
reply to post by Zuli5000

This bill would be in violation of the fourth amendment.

You are funny. The 4th amendment died a long time ago. Ever heard of the patriot act? Warrant less wiretapping? Etc???

The 4th amendment has been dead for a decade and more.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:11 PM
I am a Canadian, so I am not sure how this might affect me. However, seeing as how Canada is the younger sister clutching America's skirt, looking for guidance and protection as we grow, I see danger for us in this as well.

Having said that, I highly doubt this proposal will make it very far. As commented earlier, the logistics of saving the internet usage of every American, daily, for 18 me it seems incomprehensibly a monumental undertaking. I have unlimited bandwidth, using between 2GB and 5GB a month. If that is average, multiply that by, say, 100 million Americans per day X 216 days .... that is one massive harddrive!

I think what is bothering all of us so much about SOPA and this nonsense, is the pervasive feeling that the swing to Fascism is gaining momentum in North America. Canada is following closely, although (I hope) on a much slower trajectoy. The entire idea of regulating or censoring the internet in anyway seems ludicrous to me in the nth degree, but it seems if these bills fail, the push will continue to surveil everyone, innocent or not, and that to me spells death to everything I feel makes us who we willed persons.

They seek to control everything, from whether we choose to buckle up, to what we can view on public television. Soon, teeth brushing will be mandatory

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:11 PM
Wow, Government want's to do NOTHING about fixing the economy, but yet has all the time in the world to draft up internet censorship bills..

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:20 PM
reply to post by seeker65

They won't have to save everything. Just the logs. The logs for 18 months might be a maximum of 100MB... and that would be the biggest users.

For 99% of people, the log would be below 10MB.

So yeah it would take a bunch of new servers to be installed, but eh, it's to help the economy and it will destroy the little ISPs, so it's alright!

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Mikeyy
Wow, Government want's to do NOTHING about fixing the economy, but yet has all the time in the world to draft up internet censorship bills..

The economy? You still think they want to fix the economy? Hell the government HELPED the destruction of the economy by letting the banks do whatever they want by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, letting the FED do what it wants and let the bankers get away with their fraud/insider trading/revolving doors in the government/bribes again and again.

The government won't fix the economy. If they fix the economy, you won't be dependent on them.
edit on 22-1-2012 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 11:25 PM
I feel like these people(?) are trying to make THX-1138 or Logan's Run come true. Why are they doing this to us? I used to think they were boiling the frog slowly, and they were, but lately these evil men(?) in our government have been boldly and maliciously destroying our liberties. And in such sinister guises as "protecting children from pornography".

I can do it, too!! Let's protect our children from child molestation! How, you ask? Just put mandatory cameras in every house across the world. It will create JOBS!! Jobs, I tell ya! We'll be able to hire massive teams of people to go around installing the cameras all over the country, and then we'll create MILLIONS of jobs hiring people on Government payroll to watch the cameras and report any suspicious activity. We can even create a Federal team of FCMAE (pronounced f*** me) (Federal Child Molestation/Abuse Enforcement) to enforce the law!

Who's with me?! It's for the children!!

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 12:21 AM
May I suggest one point of this legislation is a way to track purchases and the like, for taxation purposes? Hasn't there been some government annoyance at the inability to obtain taxes from internet purchases? Wouldn't this be a way for them to 'solve the problem'?

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 12:42 AM
here is a link to have him impeached

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 12:59 AM
What in God's name is happening in this country? Who the **** causally finds child pornography on the internet? I've been using computers since I was a kid (roughly 8) and have never, ever come across anything related to child pornography. If you wanted to find it you would have to go out and actively search for it. This is absolute horse*** and the more of these bills I see the more I am displeased, not only with my own country, but the entire world because its happening everywhere.

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 01:02 AM
The sad thing is, this will work.

They could honestly give a crap about our kids, in fact has anyone looked at how our own government is involved in the child porn and human trafficking of children. I'm willing to bet that rabbit hole is nearly endless.

This guy wrote a bill called SOPA to help Hollywood, right. Do some research on child actors and sex crimes committed against them in the entertainment industry, not to mention the way children are naturally exploited right in front of our eyes in the movies they make.

This bill is using the psyche of America today. How many people are in the united states? and the Media chooses to focus on the very few individuals who carry out these despicable crimes, which is fine, but they do it in a way that makes everyone the bad guy. We no longer trust our neighbors, friends, family, and even spouses (especially fathers) because the media is quick to make them all look bad, when in truth it is a small part of society that does this stuff.

Truth is, they are not trying to protect children, they are trying to use the fear of the boogieman as a way to pass legislation that is far more sinister in nature than the name represents.

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 01:21 AM
reply to post by webpirate

they dont need a false flag. All they need is MSM to d a "special report" during prime time.

Not to mention, this time who is there to stop them except "the people". they don't care about "the people (except corporations) NDAA is proof enough for that.

anti-SOPA at least had the backing of giants like facebook and google. They won't stand up for us now, they only cared about their own interests with protesting SOPA, they could care less about true freedom of the people. They have the freedom, we don't.

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 01:41 AM
Lamar and the co-sponsers of this bill playing the "What About the Children Card." is disgusting.But what can ya expect from these guys they will use any means to do their masters bidding.This only means we must fight harder and make every effort to send these guys a message.We will not allow them to push their fascist agenda on us any longer.

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 01:42 AM
So what in the eyes of the US gubberment, constitutes porn..? Not just child porn but any porn.. Seems to me that the US is becoming more and more prudish every day.. I have even heard some american religious groups proclaiming TV shows such as Lazytown to be Pornographic, demonic and promoting homosexuality and even the Wiggles and Hi-Five have been condemned as promoting

The government has made a few good calls, I'll give them that.. The shutting down of WEBEWEB is one example of getting it right.. eventhough the sites were very, very tame compared to some others aroud the world..

But if this new bill goes through, it will likely be followed by another, and another until the entire US is void of anything vaugly entertaining...

Man, I can see a day when People in the US aren't even allowed to raise their own children. I see a future where children are confiscated at birth and brought up in safe, secure government facilities.... mark my words.. your all on borrowed time over

posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by kykweer

So in other words you'd rather keep your browser history a secret... Over police catching people who rape lil kids?

Yes, of course. I value my privacy. Based on this twisted logic, why dont we all install cameras into our homes to prevent violent crime?

Any breach of privacy, including phone wiretapping, internet or other surveilance, opening mail etc. must be conducted based on a court order with a reasonable suspicion. This must apply for all crimes, including piracy and child porn.

What do you have to hide though? No one will monitor your activity 24/7, you will only be flagged under suspicion anyway and then I don't care they could wire your house and follow your every move, even if they install a video camera in your home, so what? Its impossible to monitor your every move all day, unless your under suspicion...

If this helps a lil kid from being raped over and over for years, then why not? ArE you that selfish? And what makes you different from any "PTB" or the 1% or whatever who do things in their own interest?

If you support your own privacy sure, then you might as well support the elitists... Your not elite and your only supporter "them" for hiding their privacy. you people on this site continuously go on and on about the government and their shady dealing and you DEMAND to know everthing. What makes you any different from them?

Support child and womens right man. Your rights don't trump them... I repeat, what do you have to hide?

The hypocrisy on this site sometimes just gets me laughing out loud, we all want to cover our backs out of our own interests... And so do "they"
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