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Lamar, the author of SOPA comes back with an even worse bill

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:06 PM

The usage of internet traffic continues to grow at a massive rate so thats not going to be static. They also would have to make the system sherchable and have backups so I doubt this bill could be done without massive costs. For a comparrison the number of 3TB harddrives needed for just one exabyte of information would require 333,334 3TB hardrives.

Wouldn't the telecommunication companies have a problem with paying the bill for this kind of storage, even if it is applicable within the wording of this bill? Why wouldn't they be leading the charge against said bill?

If it is only a matter of storing IP addresses for use in criminal investigations, then some constitutional lawyers are going to get seriously famous fighting for fourth amendment rights.

The bill is not without it's critics. There are still people fighting for basic freedoms:

Critics have suggested that this bill was a backdoor way to track Internet usage, compromising civil liberties. Representative Zoe Lofgren, (D-Calif.), one of the most vocal opponents of the bill, presented an amendment to rename the bill the "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Without a Warrant Act."

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:10 PM
reply to post by kykweer

So in other words you'd rather keep your browser history a secret... Over police catching people who rape lil kids?

Yes, of course. I value my privacy. Based on this twisted logic, why dont we all install cameras into our homes to prevent violent crime?

Any breach of privacy, including phone wiretapping, internet or other surveilance, opening mail etc. must be conducted based on a court order with a reasonable suspicion. This must apply for all crimes, including piracy and child porn.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:10 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

Sorry, but this reply might be a bit long, I need to vent a little. The people who are in control of the United States of America seem to be the most out of touch, fat, greasy, greedy & desperate old men I've ever seen. They seem to be like the zombie in the farm well from the TV show "The Walking Dead". They literally seem identical, clawing at society and trying to bring down as much as they can before they die. I'm Canadian, we have a Conservative government at the moment as I'm sure you all know, and yet they aren't nearly as bad as right wingers from the States. I really do feel sorry for Americans. I don't hate that country, I really don't. I hate the brainwashing government they currently have. There are a lot of amazing people in America, but the government there seem to prey on the stupid majority (Like in Canada also at times).
We seemed to have killed SOPA, and now they have re-worded it to make it seem like you have no choice but vote against child predators. Yet again they prey on the retarded who can't read anything. Which is a good plan, because illiteracy is through the roof in the States, mostly because of how poor people are because of the government. I'd obviously vote against this bill if I was an American, but they will now try their hardest to make anyone against this "Child protecting bill" to look like a creep, and a worthless lowlife. What upsets me the most, is that most people who vote for bills, don't even read them. All it takes is to read it, then think about the consequences. Then you'd know It's a load of crap. I can say crap right? (I'm new lol)
Another thing I'd like to mention, is how this seems to fit into an ultimate plan of sorts. Almost as if they would screw the economy over on purpose, just to bring down the education system, which in turn makes people stupid. Which again in turn means they can pass whatever they want, because the public has become so brainwashed and stupid that they will just listen like a computer program. That's really what seems to be happening, at least from the outside.
I'm guessing this will only affect Americans correct? But America always influences other countries with It's ridiculous actions, which is what scares me the most. So who's to say it won't just happen pretty much everywhere once it passes? And it probably will pass for obvious reasons. As people have said, who will vote against "Protecting children"?
In conclusion, I'd like to say I wish all of you Americans the best, and to fight against that hilarious excuse for a government you have. Fight with everything you have. America isn't lost yet. You still have hope. And if that bill passes, and they start attacking and ruining our internet society, I'd like to say that It's been a pleasure, and that this site is by far the best on the internet. At least until it gets to a point where we literally go to war against the governments to take over and install our own common sense laws. Can you imagine the movie "Red Dawn" actually happening, except It's against our own governments? LOL It seems like a real possibility.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:11 PM
We need to anihalate the US. I already sent a threatning letter to the us government and the fbi!

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:04 PM

the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you’ve been assigned.

Wow..all i can say is.. "Heil Hitler!" Sorry..this is just..outrageous...

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:16 PM
I tried to research this bill H.R. 1981 and could not find it listed for the house. Could you please tell me where I am going wrong.
thank you

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:18 PM
The internet mobilised in oposition to the SOPA and PIPA bills and we have managed to postpone the debate and many senators have turned against the legislation. We can do the same again. Unfortunately for you Americans, this proposed legislation does not concern us who are stationed overseas, so it will be far more difficult to recieve international support against this bill. None the less I am going to write many emails, like I did with the SOPA legislation, because if it can happen to you it can happen to us.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:26 PM

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by Vitchilo

It sounds like people will support this one more than the SOPA bill. "Internet piracy" is one thing, but who can say they're against trying to stop "child pornography"? It seems that they're attaching negative things to bills meant to combat those things. You know what I'm saying?

Stop internet piracy and stop child pornography both appear to amount to internet censorship, no matter how much of a feel-good bill it is.

It is precisely censorship. That is the primary objective, and all these other "reasons" are in reality excuses to implement it. This latest claim is merely a fallback to an older default that they thought would work by grabbing people on an emotional level rather than a rational one. The "internet piracy" excuse is floundering, so they feel a need to trot out the old tried and true "child porn" excuse. The end objective is the same, regardless of the excuse employed.

”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”.


It's an old strategy, and one employed to try to grab emotion when all attempts at logic are insufficient, shown to be illogical, and fail. It's nothing more than political "dirty tricks". The end result is the same - censorship of a type that will address NEITHER problem used as an excuse, but which will give virtual control of all information (i.e. of the news and informative variety) flow to the enemy.

Of course, that's really all they want.

I thought Lamar was from Texas... don't Texans believe in freedom any more? How does this man keep a job there if they do? Have they forgotten the Alamo? He's so deep in the pockets of TPTB and the Corporate recording industry that he eats dollars and craps change, and this "shift" is all one really needs to confirm that observation.

Did the defenders of the Alamo die in vain? Has Liberty died in even Texas?

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:27 PM

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
Mark Amodei [R-NV2]
Steve Austria [R-OH7]
Ken Calvert [R-CA44]
Steven Chabot [R-OH1]
Howard Coble [R-NC6]
Mark Critz [D-PA12]

Ted Deutch [D-FL19]
Jo Ann Emerson [R-MO8]
Michael Fitzpatrick [R-PA8]
Bill Flores [R-TX17]
Randy Forbes [R-VA4]
Trent Franks [R-AZ2]

Elton Gallegly [R-CA24]
Trey Gowdy [R-SC4]
Tim Griffin [R-AR2]
Jaime Herrera Beutler [R-WA3]
Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX18]
Jim Jordan [R-OH4]

John Kline [R-MN2]
Steven LaTourette [R-OH14]
Cynthia Lummis [R-WY]
Daniel Lungren [R-CA3]
Thomas Marino [R-PA10]
Mike McIntyre [D-NC7]

Jeff Miller [R-FL1]
Richard Nugent [R-FL5]
Mike Pence [R-IN6]
Mike Quigley [D-IL5]
Dave Reichert [R-WA8]
Dennis Ross [R-FL12]

Dutch Ruppersberger [D-MD2]
Adam Schiff [D-CA29]
Heath Shuler [D-NC11]
Fortney Stark [D-CA13]
Frederick Upton [R-MI6]
Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL20]

Addison Wilson [R-SC2]
Steve Womack [R-AR3]
Pedro Pierluisi [D-P
those are the co sponsors of the bill so if any of them are your reps let them know what you think about it names were found at op's source this is terrifying that they are trying to pass this again and using the protect kids from pornogrophers line is just tried and true bs to get buisnesses to not protest

And how many of these ****heads are wolves in sheeps clothing is my q....
I personally abhor child porn, and think any found guilty af any negative dealings with it should be castrated.
If the gov wants to do something about it, how about making a major deterent, like castration, not being sent to prison where they can be put in solitary confinement "for thier own protection"....
I don't condone outright murder, but these clowns coming up with these stupid bills/laws are pushing thier luck

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:31 PM
reply to post by nenothtu

Did the defenders of the Alamo die in vain? Has Liberty died in even Texas?

Liberty died a long time ago my friend

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:32 PM
As most of us agree, the title of this bill is what will make it seem legitimate. But, look beneath the Title page and it's just more tracking and personal rights violations. People need to understand that the internet is not owned by the government and is simply another medium in which information can be shared. There are other ways to share information. People can use flash drives or disks, or even local networks to potentially share illegal content. Aside from electronic data, illegal content can be shared through pictures or documents on a paper medium. Internet censorship is also a huge risk to our national security. As president Kennedy once said

Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed -- and no republic can survive

With internet censorship, there will be a huge cut in how much information of mistakes our government makes. We will be less likely to know what is going on in the world, and therefore make uneducated decisions. We will be more unable to protect ourselves against further civil liberty abuse.
and also

As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them.

We must protect our freedoms and live by them. Show an example to other countries. Promote free information trade so other countries fight for free information trade. If the radicals in the world, brainwashed by their superiors and propaganda, had access to all the information we have, they may decide for themselves what is right.
Freedom of free information trade IS Freedom of Speech. STOP internet censorship. DENY internet censorship. PROMOTE complete freedom of speech and information. Thank You.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:39 PM

Originally posted by ScorpiusMaximus
these clowns coming up with these stupid bills/laws are pushing their luck

Why, most people have no clue.

Yeah me you and most of ATS realize what they're doing but everyone else, well they'll probably be ok with things

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:42 PM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by TupacShakur

Not just censorship, but literal tracking of everyone. It is diabolical and invasive. Totalitarian. It's just part of what's to come.
Internet tracking and censorship
nanny cams
red light cameras
school laptop cameras
car black boxes
devices to control car speed autonomously
toll lane trackers
devices to monitor speed in cars
smart grid meters for electric
sky in the eye
gps and cell phone tracking
heart monitors for children

get the drift?

Funny you should mention that. ALL of those are just more pieces of the puzzle, and the picture that is emerging in America is a totalitarian one as the puzzle is put together.

The time is nigh.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:46 PM
I think that it is important to note, that this bill was introduced in May of last year.

Last action taken(from what I can tell) was in December of 2011. I only mention this because let's not get carried away with the thinking that this is a response to SOPA/PIPA support dwindling, or as a response to ANON disabling websites in response to MU being brought down.

I agree that this legislation is bad, but let's keep our head on straight and see things clearly.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:48 PM

Originally posted by ScorpiusMaximus
reply to post by nenothtu

Did the defenders of the Alamo die in vain? Has Liberty died in even Texas?

Liberty died a long time ago my friend

A depressing thought, but it has not YET died altogether, and won't as long as a single defender of it remains standing. I probably should have said "the desire for Liberty", since liberty itself will never die as long as a single one of us remains upright and mobile.

No, it's on life support, but not yet dead - merely comatose. They will have to kill us ALL, and closely monitor new births for signs of independent thought.

I find it ironic that Texas has turned her back on the desire for liberty, given that the defenders of the Alamo WERE killed to the last man, not a one left standing, in the attempt to extinguish it.

If Texas had an ounce of backbone left, there would be immediate calls for a recall election to get rid of this cat, who lives to please the enemy.

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:56 PM
reply to post by Gigatronix

It was a prepared fallback position in case SOPA/PIPA failed. It's foolish to not have a plan B in case plan A fails, and truly prudent people will have alternate plans beyond that. The people who are pushing this agenda are deviant, miscreant, control freak scum, but that doesn't mean they are stupid.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:03 PM
reply to post by nenothtu

No doubt. And while I appreciate that this is a conspiracy site, it still behooves us to not let our imagination carry us away. If we want to be taken seriously in a serious conversation, our first line of attack is to work with what we know to be true and verifiable. Lashing out with knee-jerk emotional responses doesn't help the cause. And if you were to have a press conference right this minute, saying that this bill was conceived almost 9 months ago as a back up to a completely unrelated bill (copyright infringement vs child porn) will not endear yourself to folks that don't see a conspiracy everywhere they look. Focus on what the bill actually says and what it claims to actually do, you don't need a conspiracy to show semi-intelligent people that this bill is crap.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:15 PM
People can't police themselves but we do a good job policing the internet. No new laws are needed to stop predators.

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:42 PM
reply to post by Vitchilo

Bring it on Washington it will only make me work harder

posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:43 PM
reply to post by ventian

Im drinking white russians and "Lebowski lemonades" right now you get a star just for having that as an avatar

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