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Lamar, the author of SOPA comes back with an even worse bill

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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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True, but as I recall ther last few women were actually proven as pedophiles and then they were able to just walk free...until they kept doing it over and over and spitting in the face of justice until they finally HAD to make them pay.Liberally.
Deborah Lafave
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The former Greco Middle School teacher pleaded guilty in 2005 to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery for having sex with a 14-year-old student. Facing trial and a potential prison sentence, Lafave agreed to complete her full sentence, three years of house arrest and seven years of probation. Lafave, 31, completed the house arrest, an accomplishment Timmerman called a difficult one that many fail.

So......she got probation? Even men who are just "accused" of this crime are pulling hard time, whether they did it or not. No probation for men.

I agree that ANYONE who does this crap to children should be imprisoned for a long while, but this isn't what is happening with women. Most women never get accused or convicted because guys are conditioned to want to "score" with women, and the younger the better. Women are conditioned otherwise and also conditioned to look at men with great distain, hence, men get busted for doing the same thing and are treated much more harshly for the same crime.

Written by Molly Borowitz (Source)


I can’t speak for anyone else, but when I hear the word “pedophile,” I picture a man. Indeed, the sexual abuse of children is societally understood to be a crime perpetrated by males—in general, I think, we assume that women are extremely unlikely (and maybe even incapable) of sexually abusing a child. Traditional stereotypes of women as nurturing, inherently maternal, instinctively sympathetic toward children, and (perhaps more insidiously) less sexually active or sexually violent than men, all contribute to this belief. And yet the BBC reports that Childline, a British organization that offers support and counseling for child victims of sexual abuse, has seen a steady increase in the number of calls from young boys who have been abused by women—in fact, in the past five years, the number of children reporting sexual abuse by a woman has risen five times faster than the number of those reporting abuse by a man.


But does the punishment fit the crime for women?

I could easily name about 2 popular cases where women get special treatment for pedophilism, just off the top of my head.

Judge says deborah Lafave.."too pretty to go to jail"

Source for Deborah Lafave article


-Mary Kay Letourneau in Washington had sex with an underage boy and was able to get probation on the first offense instead of 7 years which is the mandatory punishment for this sentence until she did it again.

-Debra Lafave did not serve jail time for having sex with a an underage guy numerous times.

*A former middle school teacher serving house arrest for having sex with a 14-year-old student was arrested Tuesday for violating her probation, state records showed.

According to a Department of Corrections report, Debra Lafave discussed her personal life and other subjects with a teenage waitress at a restaurant where they both worked. One of the terms of her probation had been that she was not allowed to have unsupervised contact with any minors without permission.
Lafave could technically be sentenced to prison for up to 15 years for a probation violation, but people close to the case say it's unlikely she'll serve any time behind bars for such a minor offense.

...Lafave became a tabloid sensation after being arrested in 2004, above, for having sex with a 14-year-old male student. She was 23 at the time. Lafave later said she "crossed the line."

Lafave, now 26, is serving three years house arrest and seven years probation after pleading guilty to charges that stemmed from having sex with the boy in a classroom and her home. The judge felt she was too pretty to go to jail.
Lafave has said that her bipolar disorder contributed to her state of mind at the time she had sex with the boy. She avoided prison by pleading guilty in 2005 to two counts of lewd and lascivious battery.


Men will get the full effect of the law everytime,freqently,even if there is no evidence, only the testimony of a woman who claims, molestation or rape. With the support of other women who will automatially demonize the male figure, even without proof, he will fry simply because the number of women/feminists that spoke out against him. I need not reference this with a link, we have all seen this.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Bisman
however they will see that you as an individual is using a vpn from another country, and that alone will make you a target.

I am only discussing the law, not what can be done extralegally. But they could also make it illegal for individuals to connect to VPN servers outside the country (exempt organisations, but make them liable to record all requests going over their VPN to the outside) and a host of other ways.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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I hate to say it but our rights aren't going to mean much soon.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by ohyouknow
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I hate to say it but our rights aren't going to mean much soon.

That is a very positive outlook: to think they mean something now



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Acording to this article 966 exabytes is cosumed per year through internet usage.

There is an estimated 2,095,006,005 (Source)
internet users in the world of that 272,066,000 are American and they account for about 13% of the data comsumed online, meaning they ISP'S would need to store 125.58 Exabytes of information every year.

The usage of internet traffic continues to grow at a massive rate so thats not going to be static. They also would have to make the system sherchable and have backups so I doubt this bill could be done without massive costs. For a comparrison the number of 3TB harddrives needed for just one exabyte of information would require 333,334 3TB hardrives.

Multiple that by current usage for the USA = 41860083 3TB hard drives. The cheapest harddrive of that size I could find was $163 * 41860083 = $6823193529. Some how I just can't see them getting this passed one the teclo's get wind of how much it will cost them.

So nothing to worry about here as the bean counters will kill this one. Even if somehow they could get the hard drives much cheaper the cost of the space, people, utilites would kill it just as quick.

Just seen this on the BBC and think its relevent. With just about no media attention at all this is now in force in the UK


22 January 2012 Last updated at 10:36 Help If you switch to a new provider for your internet access later this year, you will be forced to make a choice: do you want access to adult content or not?


www.bbc.co.uk...
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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This is obviously not about catching child exploiters.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but does this part of H.R. 1981 say that it excludes themselves?


(b) Exclusion From Offense- This section does not apply to a financial transaction conducted by a person in cooperation with, or with the consent of, any Federal, State, or local law enforcement agency.’.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Have any of you actually read the bill?

The bill is total garbage but it does not contain what the article in the OP states it does.

This bill would require ISPs to keep only a record of the temporary IP address they assign to you for one year; not 18 months. There's nothing in there about storing your entire internet record for 18 months...TBH I don't think that would even be logistically possible. Text of the bill.

Trying to fight a garbage bill like this without reading it to verify the information only weakens our arguments and makes defeating it even less likely.
edit on 1/22/2012 by NoArmsJames because: Typo and punctuation.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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CA has a petition going to increase fines to 1.5M and jail sentences to 15 to life for human trafficking that includes forcing convicted sexual offenders and human traffickers to register any names they use online. This is a much better approach.

Human trafficking, or in plain terms, slavery, is a serious growing problem not only in the world, but in the U.S. as well, where children are being sold as sex slaves and workers. This is a much superior approach. This is the kind of laws that we need on the books, that don't just strip the public of privacy, but creates a serious mandate for going after the people committing these horrible atrocities.

Notice how it is coming from a petition, and not from lawmakers.

We need a petition process for the U.S. government, to do something about the failure of our reps to actually represent the interests of the people of the U.S..



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Ugh, I hate this....SOPA and PIPA failed, now they are playing on the heart strings of America.

I can just see the politicians now. If you don't support this bill then you support child porn!

My god, there are laws in place to prevent child porn and copy right infringement. Try enforcing them! How is that for an idea? We don't need more laws. We don't need laws that will strip us of our freedoms. We NEED enforcement of the laws already in place!

We do not need to get rid of our freedoms to stop these things. But these guys don't really care about copy right infringement or pedophiles.

They are grasping for control of the internet... plain and simple and it is disgusting.

Guys, stand up! Just like we did with SOPA and PIPA. Push websites like google, wikipedia reddit and more to protest pass around petitions. We stopped them once, we can do it again.


I just keep thinking about what Ron Paul said at a debate recently. I am paraphrasing but he said, it looks like we squashed SOPA, but be on the look out for the next bill!.

The next bill is here!

ATS your help is needed. Stand up!

Side note. Let's vote Lamar out of office! This guy is a detriment to freedom.
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
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You don't have to live in the states for this to affect you. Remember Omar Khadr? All the states had to do was ask for him and we handed him over quite willingly, against the protests of citizens and NGOs alike. The fact that we're Canadian means nothing. We might as well be Americans-by-proxy. That's how they see us.


If TPTB get the NAU going, you guys might be a part of US. I am not sure what all the ramifications would be other than one currency. But it can't be good for individual sovereignty.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by NoArmsJames
Have any of you actually read the bill?

The bill is total garbage but it does not contain what the article in the OP states it does.

This bill would require ISPs to keep only a record of the temporary IP address they assign to you for one year; not 18 months. There's nothing in there about storing your entire internet record for 18 months...TBH I don't think that would even be logistically possible. Text of the bill.

Trying to fight a garbage bill like this without reading it to verify the information only weakens our arguments and makes defeating it even less likely.
edit on 1/22/2012 by NoArmsJames because: Typo and punctuation.


What would be the point of just recording ip addresses temporarily used? any ip sniffer can do that plus tell how long your ip was in communication with another ip address, how many packets were sent, etc. The ip sniffer can detect all the traffic flow through a typical network, the peaks and lows and spikes of a typical day. Then there are the keyloggers.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Hi, just wanted to let you know it's not just men that have to worry about this aspect.. so now we'd need to install 24 hour surviellence in our homes, provided by an outside company to monitor any and all activity on our computers to prevent anyone of us being victim to foul play. yipppeee



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by AliceBlackman
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Hi, just wanted to let you know it's not just men that have to worry about this aspect.. so now we'd need to install 24 hour surviellence in our homes, provided by an outside company to monitor any and all activity on our computers to prevent anyone of us being victim to foul play. yipppeee


Indeed very true and i responded with a very similar comment. But the post phnomium made here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Does make it clear he does not mean to only target men as possible purps on abuse or victims to this law.


And i wholeheartly agree with that post



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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this just makes it obvious that SOPA didn't have anything to do with piracy.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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You're either with us or you're a bunch of PEDOFILES!


Talk about can't WIN.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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IP does not point to a computer usually. At least around here pretty much all adsl boxes for example have at least 4 ethernet ports + wifi. It does point to a sinle device which is that specific adsl box but through that any number of people can connect.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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So in other words you'd rather keep your browser history a secret... Over police catching people who rape lil kids?

Which is it? Your embarrassment over midget porn? Or a ten year old scarred for life?

Sure this won't stop child abuse, but it will throw a brick in the works for people who make money out of it...

This is nothing like SOPA.

So what if a guy in some control room chuckles over your fetishes, its not like your browser history will be available to everyone of posted on your facebook.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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The law sux sometimes. We will all be safe until they can read our thoughts. If thar happens then we are dust in the wind. Brain chemicals really really suck with democrocy. I acualy think we are screwed . All we can acualy do is pretend we are doing what is right.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
What would be the point of just recording ip addresses temporarily used? any ip sniffer can do that plus tell how long your ip was in communication with another ip address, how many packets were sent, etc. The ip sniffer can detect all the traffic flow through a typical network, the peaks and lows and spikes of a typical day. Then there are the keyloggers.


That's why it's a junk bill. I'm sure the stated purpose is to make it easier for law enforcement to find a persons identity long after a "crime" occurs.
But lets be honest. A criminal, whether a pedophile, a pirate or whatever other type of activity they're looking for isn't (unless they're idiots) doing this with just their home internet connection. They're using TOR, or Freenet or proxy chains and other forms of heavy encryption to protect themselves.
I can't tell you Lamar Smiths actual intent because I don't know what it is. I was just pointing out that the original argument in the OP stated untruths and it's much harder to stop something like this if you don't use the facts.



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