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Lamar, the author of SOPA comes back with an even worse bill

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Can't this guy be KICKED OUT of congress at the next election PLEASE??? The guy is obviously a ``let's destroy internet for the children`` type of guy.

Threatening New Bill H.R. 1981 – Worse Than SOPA/PIPA – This Bill Entitled “The Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act Of 2011″ Is A Bill With Overly Broadened Language That Greatly Threatens All Of Us.

H.R. 1981: Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011

Sounds good right?


That name is what brought the anecdote back to me. A better name for the child pornography bill would be The Encouragement of Blackmail by Law Enforcement Act. At issue is how to catch child pornographers. It’s too hard now, say the bill’s backers, and I can sympathize. It’s their solution that appalls me: under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you’ve been assigned.

Tracking the private daily behavior of everyone in order to help catch a small number of child criminals is itself the noxious practice of police states. Said an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation: “The data retention mandate in this bill would treat every Internet user like a criminal and threaten the online privacy and free speech rights of every American.” Even more troubling is what the government would need to do in order to access this trove of private information: ask for it.

I kid you not — that’s it.

As written, The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 doesn’t require that someone be under investigation on child pornography charges in order for police to access their Internet history — being suspected of any crime is enough. (It may even be made available in civil matters like divorce trials or child custody battles.) Nor do police need probable cause to search this information. As Rep. James Sensenbrenner says, (R-Wisc.) “It poses numerous risks that well outweigh any benefits, and I’m not convinced it will contribute in a significant way to protecting children.”


Basically just like SOPA. Using a ``feel good reason``, they want to track everyone and have unlimited powers on the internet.

What about they go after the Pentagon FIRST???
Pentagon declined to investigate hundreds of purchases of child pornography

Or these guys?
SEC Porn Problem: Officials Surfing Sites During Financial Crisis, Report Finds
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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I guess SOPA wasn't controversial enough.

A bill like this is even more dangerous because it does the same thing as SOPA but it will be approved by more people.
People will blindly condone this bill just because it is "protecting the children".
In fact, the media will probably spin this in a way that it would make someone look like the biggest douche in the world for NOT approving this bill.

It will be like saying that the people who dont vote for Obama are racist and not politically correct.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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first it was we track to track and limit and spy to prevent copyright piracy

that didn't work so now we have to do it for the children

is it just me or wasn't the last big deal news worthy pedophile internet porn ring that got brought down mostly gov't officals and gov't contractors???

we just need to censor their internet
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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They are trying to pass the Internet Filter bill for the exact same reasons in Australia. It's complete BS. If you want to protect your children from the dangers of the internet, buy your own personal filter, or here's a novel idea, supervise your kids.

IRM



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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If this is true I am going to be really really unhappy. I can't even comment further..but actually suspected some sort of attempt to come back at it.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Well we knew it was coming eventually right? George Orwell here we come.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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It sounds like people will support this one more than the SOPA bill. "Internet piracy" is one thing, but who can say they're against trying to stop "child pornography"? It seems that they're attaching negative things to bills meant to combat those things. You know what I'm saying?

Stop internet piracy and stop child pornography both appear to amount to internet censorship, no matter how much of a feel-good bill it is.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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I bet there will be a false flag to get this through. One way or another they are gonna try to rob us of a free uncensored internet.

Just let anonymous handle it...they did a pretty good job at outing the emails of the people viewing it and DDoS to shut down some sites recently.


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Ya. Can you imagine Wikipedia going black to stop a bill to catch pedophiles on the internet? I don't think so.

The fascists are not stupid.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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I wonder if congress even cares that they have a 11% approval rating??? Why is it all these draconian bills are republican ideas?? So much for smaller less intrusive government.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Yeah...how can you protest child porn and not be seen as a "bad person." Hell...just close the entire internet down now. Might as well toss my computers, laptop and pad. They will be useless soon. No open internet at all. I knew they would try something else but not this.

I have to shut up now or I'll be banned and have LEO's knocking on my door.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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With a name like that, who wouldn't want to push it through



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Not just censorship, but literal tracking of everyone. It is diabolical and invasive. Totalitarian. It's just part of what's to come.
Internet tracking and censorship
rfid
nanny cams
red light cameras
school laptop cameras
car black boxes
devices to control car speed autonomously
toll lane trackers
devices to monitor speed in cars
smart grid meters for electric
sky in the eye
gps and cell phone tracking
heart monitors for children


get the drift?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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You wanna put an end to child porn? Catch them, try them and then shoot them. Screw putting them in prison. Your caught with it....give them a trial and then
Make it not worth it to look at it.

STOP trying to take away everyone else's freedoms. Hell...I bet the Great Firewall of China would be less restrictive than this guy proposing this legislation. Does this guy have ANY comprehension of the amount of storage space it would take to follow everyone's internet movements and keep it for 18 months?
It would take petabytes or exabytes at the bare minimum.

Where does this jackass propose to store all this data? And I'm sure there would have to be backups. Hell...storing the data alone would slow the internet to a crawl with just the traffic from trying to keep track of it all.

Did Hitler or Stalin reincarnate?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Dont say i didn't warn you people.. Just look in my last topic where i said if anon keeps up with their attacks on companys and sites that was against SOPA, its only going to come back bigger, or a worse bill is going to be passed. Was i right or was i right???

Anyway good bye internet as we know it, and good bye to our freedoms
...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you’ve been assigned.
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As written, The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 doesn’t require that someone be under investigation on child pornography charges in order for police to access their Internet history — being suspected of any crime is enough. (It may even be made available in civil matters like divorce trials or child custody battles.) Nor do police need probable cause to search this information.

This is absolutely insane. It's like the demented demon child of SOPA and PIPA. It will be like the worlds most effective tracking system. If they can't take down the pirate websites then they'll just monitor anyone who downloads copyrighted materials from the websites. I can't believe how much insanity has been packed into this bill, and it's all being pushed forward under the guise of protecting children. I feel like throwing up.


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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This is ridiculous.

Child porn has existed long before the internet. I have never casually come across any child porn in nearly 20 years of internet use. This to me means that the only way you will see child porn is if you're looking for child porn. In other words, it isn't the internet that is creating or spreading child porn. It's the child porn people.

Getting rid of the internet altogether does not equate to children not being molested or taken advantage of. So how does censoring it or tracking everyone do so?

It just seems that some are hellbent on having a central agency in cotrol of the web so to speak. This is almost as disgusting as the idea of child porn if you ask me.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Mark Amodei [R-NV2]
Steve Austria [R-OH7]
Ken Calvert [R-CA44]
Steven Chabot [R-OH1]
Howard Coble [R-NC6]
Mark Critz [D-PA12]

Ted Deutch [D-FL19]
Jo Ann Emerson [R-MO8]
Michael Fitzpatrick [R-PA8]
Bill Flores [R-TX17]
Randy Forbes [R-VA4]
Trent Franks [R-AZ2]

Elton Gallegly [R-CA24]
Trey Gowdy [R-SC4]
Tim Griffin [R-AR2]
Jaime Herrera Beutler [R-WA3]
Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX18]
Jim Jordan [R-OH4]

John Kline [R-MN2]
Steven LaTourette [R-OH14]
Cynthia Lummis [R-WY]
Daniel Lungren [R-CA3]
Thomas Marino [R-PA10]
Mike McIntyre [D-NC7]

Jeff Miller [R-FL1]
Richard Nugent [R-FL5]
Mike Pence [R-IN6]
Mike Quigley [D-IL5]
Dave Reichert [R-WA8]
Dennis Ross [R-FL12]

Dutch Ruppersberger [D-MD2]
Adam Schiff [D-CA29]
Heath Shuler [D-NC11]
Fortney Stark [D-CA13]
Frederick Upton [R-MI6]
Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL20]

Addison Wilson [R-SC2]
Steve Womack [R-AR3]
Pedro Pierluisi [D-P
those are the co sponsors of the bill so if any of them are your reps let them know what you think about it names were found at op's source this is terrifying that they are trying to pass this again and using the protect kids from pornogrophers line is just tried and true bs to get buisnesses to not protest


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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lfakhs;ohgenrtgfawongf........


ITS SOPA 2.0 THEY ARE JUST HIDING IT BEHIND CHILD PORN!!!! SUCH SICK BASTARDS! These people need to be stopped. How dare they pull that card. Are they that desperate...its sickening...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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This guy just does not get it.
He is battling the internet.
The internet always wins... always.
It still is interesting enough that the geniuses in congress found out that fighting piracy wouldn't get enough people on the bandwagon, so they scream "protect the children" instead.





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