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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Seriously stay away from TOR, if use https only it can be somewhat safe, the TOR project identified several NSA nodes that make your client always pass by their severs. The NSA nodes (nixnix) are known for "hijacking" circuits witch gives you an increased chance of using one of there nodes.
edit on 22-1-2012 by nekomata111 because: typo




posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Even if you go through an NSA node you are still safe.

you dont go to 1 node then to content

you pass through 10+ proxies before you even hit the content that's why it's real slow at times.


Wikileak partner Jacob Appelbaum isn't an idiot, Julian Assange's right hand wouldn't have created the tor project and use it for wikileaks partners and other countries militarizes use it if it wasn't secure.

www.rollingstone.com...
Full Article: anarchistnews.org
have to copy and paste without quotes since it won't link correctly



Appelbaum spends much of each year leading Tor training sessions around the world, often conducted in secrecy to protect activists whose lives are in danger. Some, like the sex-worker advocates from Southeast Asia he tutored, had limited knowledge of computers. Others, like a group of students Appelbaum trained at a seminar in Qatar, are highly sophisticated: One worked on the government's censorship network, another works for a national oil company, and a third created an Al-Jazeera message board that allows citizens to post comments anonymously. In Mauritania, the country's military regime was forced to abandon its efforts to censor the Internet after a dissident named Nasser Weddady wrote a guide to Tor in Arabic and distributed it to opposition groups. "Tor rendered the government's efforts completely futile," Weddady says. "They simply didn't have the know-how to counter that move."

In distributing Tor, Appelbaum doesn't distinguish between good guys and bad guys. "I don't know the difference between one theocracy or another in Iran," he says. "What's important to me is that people have communication free from surveillance. Tor shouldn't be thought of as subversive. It should be thought of as a necessity. Everyone everywhere should be able to speak and read and form their own beliefs without being monitored. It should get to a point where Tor is not a threat but is relied upon by all levels of society. When that happens, we win."



Great article

I use Tor for hidden darknet sites, normally when hackers do data dumps on hacked govnernment sites you will find the data on darknet .onion sites. And normally the real wikileaks info is posted before it hits the visible web's Wikileaks site.

Wikileaks darknet site: suw74isz7wqzpmgu.onion...

requires Tor to access.
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edit on Mon Jan 23 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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TOR is fine, in theory.

'Cept it's slow, full of viruses, hackers, paedophiles, murderers...



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Cito
I use Tor for hidden darknet sites, normally when hackers do data dumps on hacked govnernment sites you will find the data on darknet .onion sites. And normally the real wikileaks info is posted before it hits the visible web's Wikileaks site.

Wikileaks darknet site: suw74isz7wqzpmgu.onion...

requires Tor to access.
Good point about Wikileaks. I'd say you have more incentive to use Tor to read wikileaks than just because it's posted there first, when I see things like this:

State Department Warns Students Against Discussing WikiLeaks on Facebook, Twitter

In other words, if you're reading/discussing wikileaks and you're caught doing it, you can't get a government job, is the implication. Tor gives you a way to read it without endangering your future employability.

If you want to discuss wikileaks articles, you probably want to do that anonymously if you take that state department threat seriously, which means not discussing it on your real facebook or twitter accounts, but on other discussion boards with services that allow anonymous accounts you've set up anonymously that don't use a real e-mail traceable back to you. Tor can facilitate the ability to do that, so you can exercise your right to read and discuss wikileaks, and still get a government job. We shouldn't have to deal with this kind of oppression against reading wikileaks in a supposedly "free" country, but this is the way it is, so Tor gives us a way to deal with it.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
Tor is a dark dangerous place... Just like the internet used to be before all the AOL users jumped on.

Its the wild west of the web, just be careful, its a haven for illegal activity including Child Pornography...

.Onion sites are sites that are almost completely untraceable (there are tricks that can be used, recent ANON attacked many of the Child porn providers giving out their real IP addresses)


No,

If you are able to find such content on the TOR network you have been actively looking for it, very actively.There is no 'google' on TOR you would need specific references given to you.I also very much doubt that you would be allowed to just walk in and say "hai" if you were to find them.

Also anon did not reveal people's IP's in their action if that were true TOR the protocol would be gone,cracked forever.You read that they revealed acounts on sites, there are no personal IP's stored anywhere.It is like revealing the acount "benrl" on site "ATS" with loggin information but not having a IP adress of the one that made the acount.

Dont spread FUD please,TOR is a very safe and legal way of surfing anonomously for non-criminal reasons.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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reply to post by windus
 


Just wanted to say: S+F! TOR is the smart person's browser. I even got it configured on Google Chrome (oxymoronic, I know, but an easy way to combine speed and anonymity). However, I echo the warnings above: .Onion sites are hard to find, but when you do: watch out. Here is the link for the Hidden Wiki, where a large amount of .Onion links can be found. This is the first step down the rabbit hole that is the Internet.

I also recommend to use not only Privoxy and the TOR button, but also Glary Utilities. This provides a simple, free software to wipe off all traces of internet activity from your computer. Triply redundant, but, if you look in the fine print, they all cover different areas. Also, I use CCleaner. [It would take a lot to bug my netbook.]

It is also good to use lots of bridges for TOR. If you do not, and somebody figures that you are on TOR, they could plant cookies on your computer, which would defeat the whole purpose. You can see public bridges here, or gmail (yes, you must use Gmail) bridges@torproject.org for private bridges.

Use bitcoins for money transactions- especially good if you are working on the other side of the law. There are quite a few sites (like Wikileaks) that accept Bitcoin donations, and others need a small fee to visit the page.

Also- disable your webcam/microphone. Slow-loading sites (aka, every .onion) might possibly contain hackers prowling for your data. And, just to finish (as I am low on time)~ read this book for more ways to protect your identity on and off the web.

Just a random info-dump,
Seraph



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by benrl


LOTS of conspiracy and gov docs on there too, there are treasure trove of information that I haven't even seen mentioned on ATS.


Id like to see some of this material.....

... Why does`nt anyone copy and paste stuff from there onto here????!!!!?!
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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I would suggest reading this article:
sheddingbikes.com...


But all of this is just unsubstantiated and could be hypothetical, what actually worries me is Jacob Appelbaum works on Tor and works for Wikileaks. This to me is the Hitler Grilled Cheese of the argument, the historical context that drives me away from Tor. Wikileak's job is to take people's secrets and show them and who's hiding them to the world. Tor's job is to do the inverse. The two project's goals don't align, and having one dude do both gives me the willies.


Personally, I try to stay from dark things: both on net and in real life!!



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Woow haha i must have missed it in the thread when this got posted but the post in my quote here is the most ridiculous attempt of FUD and 'insider' wannabee attempts i have ever seen. 0-o



Originally posted by UkRandom
tor and privoxy wont save you from whats hidden
if your unfamiliar with anonimity online stay away from the deep web as i guarantee it will come back and bite you in the ass

you think tor and provixy dont have backdoors?

also most users wont ever get past level3 on the deep web and if you dont know wtf im talking about stay away from tor as you will just end up another corpse on the digital burial ground

deep web is not a game and WILL come back to haunt you
depending on what level you reach

enjoy your surfing!!!


This level is the one you browse everyday: YouTube, Facebook, Wikipedia and other famous or easily accessible websites can be found here.
Level 1 - Surface WebEdit

This level is still accessible through normal means, but contains "darker" websites, such as Reddit.
Level 2 - Bergie WebEdit

This level is the last one normally accessible: all levels that follow this one have to be accessed with a proxy, Tor or by modifyig your hardware. In this level you can find some "underground" but still indexed websites, such as 4chan.
Level 3 - Deep WebEdit

The first part of this level has to be accessed with a proxy. It contains CP, gore, hacking websites... Here begins the Deep Web. dicks an weiners are second part of this level is only accessible through Tor, and contains more sensible information.
Level 4 - Charter Web Edit

This level is also divided in two parts. The first can be accessed through Tor. Things such as drug and human traficking, banned movies and books and black markets exist there. The second part can be accessed through a hardware modification: a "Closed Shell System". Here, things becomes serious. This part of the Charter Web contains hardcore CP, experimental hardware information ("Gadolinium Gallium Garnet Quantum Electronic Processors"...), but also darker information, such as the "Law of 13", World War 2 experiments

Level 5 - Marianas Web
you dont need to know what level 5 is because you will never find out and if you do..your allready dead



Reddit,REDDIT is lvl 2 of the dark(er) web >:

4Chan can only be accesed through lvl 3 deep webbacces >:


bewaaaarrree
bewaaaaaaaarrreeee




to gain acces to this ultra highlevel darker then dark web that is the "marianna's web" visit:
www.webhostingservices.us...
and get acces to the most illegal part of the interwebs for a price as low as 3 bucks! And a discount to disneyland if you sign up within the next 3 days (hotel arangements not included*)




edit on 22-1-2012 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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It's as if he's TRYING to get more people to do this for some gain. Possibly for more secrets and such to be released, who knows.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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You are right! this guy is one to watch >:

I will get into contact with my contacts that i contracted on the LvL 5 mariana web and make sure they will put all the tech and secrets they have in full effect to make sure he does not spill more of our secrets onto the lowlife LvL 1 web >:

Thank you for notifying me my friend !





edit on 22-1-2012 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by seraphnb
reply to post by windus
 


Just wanted to say: S+F! TOR is the smart person's browser. I even got it configured on Google Chrome (oxymoronic, I know, but an easy way to combine speed and anonymity). However, I echo the warnings above: .Onion sites are hard to find, but when you do: watch out. Here is the link for the Hidden Wiki, where a large amount of .Onion links can be found. This is the first step down the rabbit hole that is the Internet.

I also recommend to use not only Privoxy and the TOR button, but also Glary Utilities. This provides a simple, free software to wipe off all traces of internet activity from your computer. Triply redundant, but, if you look in the fine print, they all cover different areas. Also, I use CCleaner. [It would take a lot to bug my netbook.]

It is also good to use lots of bridges for TOR. If you do not, and somebody figures that you are on TOR, they could plant cookies on your computer, which would defeat the whole purpose. You can see public bridges here, or gmail (yes, you must use Gmail) bridges@torproject.org for private bridges.

Use bitcoins for money transactions- especially good if you are working on the other side of the law. There are quite a few sites (like Wikileaks) that accept Bitcoin donations, and others need a small fee to visit the page.

Also- disable your webcam/microphone. Slow-loading sites (aka, every .onion) might possibly contain hackers prowling for your data. And, just to finish (as I am low on time)~ read this book for more ways to protect your identity on and off the web.

Just a random info-dump,
Seraph


Could not have asked for better user feedback than this. To all other readers, this is a user who understand quite well what Tor is, how it DOES protect your anonymity online, what it CANNOT cover itself, and has provided KEY PROTECTION PATCHES to use in combination. Utterly worth fully quoting and reposting.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Does anybody know how to use Privoxy with Tor? I'm sorta confused as to how to do that. I'm on a Mac btw.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by seraphnb
Just wanted to say: S+F! TOR is the smart person's browser. I even got it configured on Google Chrome (oxymoronic, I know, but an easy way to combine speed and anonymity).
The chrome browser may be fast as browsers go, but the tor speed problems have more to do with the fact that your data is bouncing through many different tor nodes before it gets to you, and not so much with the browser. Hopefully you know what you're doing with Chrome and maybe you do, but the Tor developers recommend Firefox.



I also recommend to use not only Privoxy and the TOR button, but also Glary Utilities. This provides a simple, free software to wipe off all traces of internet activity from your computer. Triply redundant, but, if you look in the fine print, they all cover different areas. Also, I use CCleaner. [It would take a lot to bug my netbook.]
Why would you recommend this when the Tor developers have offered a solution which leaves no traces on your computer in the first place. You can get a USB stick, and load the Tor browser bundle (TBB) on it, and run tor from the USB stick. The way it's configured, once you end your session, there's nothing for Ccleaner to find. It leaves nothing on the USB stick or on your computer after your session is finished. That said, I'm not sure the latest versions are entirely stable.

And if you don't go the USB stick route, you're probably better off running it in a virtual machine.


It is also good to use lots of bridges for TOR. If you do not, and somebody figures that you are on TOR, they could plant cookies on your computer, which would defeat the whole purpose.
Cookies are not good for anonymity, you're right about that. But if you don't want cookies with your Tor, you should have cookies disabled. In Firefox, it's "Tools, options, privacy, and uncheck "accept cookies from sites". That doesn't mean running a bridge is a bad idea, you might want to do that with cookies disabled. However the argument that you want to run a bridge to avoid cookies doesn't make any sense, there are other reasons you might want to run a bridge.


Use bitcoins for money transactions- especially good if you are working on the other side of the law.
If you believe the guy who helped develop bitcoins, this is not such a good idea:
www.gizmodo.com.au...


Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users. “Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb,” he says.



Just a random info-dump,
Seraph
What would be nice is less randomness, and more accuracy.


Originally posted by windus
Could not have asked for better user feedback than this.
It's really not very good feedback at all. There's a lot of misleading and inaccurate information.
edit on 22-1-2012 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Is it safe to use TOR on a android phone?? The "market" has the application.... Thank you
2nd Line



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by GFDGFS
Is it safe to use TOR on a android phone?? The "market" has the application.... Thank you
2nd Line


as safe as in any other platform... more specifically linux



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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I am begging the mods to take this topic down. The people that don't know TOR exists should not know TOR exists. Period. This will be the next sacrificial lamb, and it will only be revealed to the brain-dead elite because the layman will have access to it and will bring it negative attention. MODS, PLEASE DELETE.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Am I reading this on ATS? Ironic...



Originally posted by hungrydirt
I am begging the mods to take this topic down. The people that don't know TOR exists should not know TOR exists. Period. This will be the next sacrificial lamb, and it will only be revealed to the brain-dead elite because the layman will have access to it and will bring it negative attention. MODS, PLEASE DELETE.

edit on 22-1-2012 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Unlike alien sex orgies, TOR is real, and is just as susceptible to the axe of the government executioner as the accessible web. It should not be put into the hands of children and pimple faced basement trolls. GAWKER already # the bed when they did their write up on SR. This is the next straw-man, and idiotic threads like this perpetuate it. The esoteric becomes the exoteric, then gets torn down by the establishment. Repugnant.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Relax. If advertising the Tor button add-on in Firefox (which is quite mainstream) hasn't crashed the set-up, a thread on ATS won't either. Ratchet down the crisis-mode rhetoric

edit on 22-1-2012 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)



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