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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 03:46 PM by seraphnb
reply to post by Arbitrageur


To address your points (albeit from a while ago):

Originally posted by Arbitrageur The chrome browser may be fast as browsers go, but the tor speed problems have more to do with the fact that your data is bouncing through many different tor nodes before it gets to you, and not so much with the browser. Hopefully you know what you're doing with Chrome and maybe you do, but the Tor developers recommend Firefox.


Of course TOR itself causes the slowness, as it constantly relays your browsing, but Firefox is, on general, not exactly the best browser. Yes, I also have Opera and Internet Explorer, but Chrome is still my choice for speed. However, I usually use the actual TOR system for Deep Web browsing.

Why would you recommend this when the Tor developers have offered a solution which leaves no traces on your computer in the first place. You can get a USB stick, and load the Tor browser bundle (TBB) on it, and run tor from the USB stick. The way it's configured, once you end your session, there's nothing for Ccleaner to find. It leaves nothing on the USB stick or on your computer after your session is finished. That said, I'm not sure the latest versions are entirely stable.
And if you don't go the USB stick route, you're probably better off running it in a virtual machine.

Unfortunately, I, unlike many people, do not have a safe system of computers to work with. I carry my one Unix netbook around on my business trips, as I know that in some of the places I travel to (Egypt, Greece, Singapore) the computers are a wee bit . . . spotty, if you know what I mean. I use CCleaner and Glary Utilities on my computer so that the transactions that I do are concealed. (Bitcoins cannot run on a USB drive, in my experience.)

If you believe the guy who helped develop bitcoins, this is not such a good idea:
www.gizmodo.com.au...

Update: Jeff Garzik, a member of the Bitcoin core development team, says in an email that bitcoin is not as anonymous as the denizens of Silk Road would like to believe. He explains that because all Bitcoin transactions are recorded in a public log, though the identities of all the parties are anonymous, law enforcement could use sophisticated network analysis techniques to parse the transaction flow and track down individual Bitcoin users. “Attempting major illicit transactions with bitcoin, given existing statistical analysis techniques deployed in the field by law enforcement, is pretty damned dumb,” he says.

Well, unless you want to go about giving out your Credit Card number on the Deep Web (of all things). . . At least bitcoins are a lot more difficult to trace. Of course, nothing is impossible . . .

To address my idea that bridges help dislodge cookies, I apologize for that glaring inaccuracy. Of course I use Firefox with cookies unabled, and I forbid scripts globally. However, what I meant to say is that, once someone realizes that you are using TOR, they could potentially trace back your IP address, which would obviously endanger anonymity. This is why I use bridges.

As for this . . .
Just a random info-dump,
Seraph
What would be nice is less randomness, and more accuracy.

I sign off most if not all of my posts in this manner, so I apologize for my . . . well . . . non-perfection.

Hopefully more accurate and less of a random info-dump for your likings,
Seraph
Seraph


reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 05:10 PM by Arbitrageur
Originally posted by seraphnb
Well, unless you want to go about giving out your Credit Card number on the Deep Web (of all things). . . At least bitcoins are a lot more difficult to trace.
I don't have any transactions to hide. But if I did, I'd probably find a way to get a prepaid visa card that couldn't be traced to me, rather than use bitcoins. And of course some people use bitcoins and then have things shipped to their home address, which obviously eliminates any anonymity no matter what payment method is used.

You might be right that bitcoins won't work on the USB, I haven't tried that because I don't use bitcoins. But if you didn't need bitcoins, the USB stick might be a good option for you, it avoids the need for all that cleaning.

To address my idea that bridges help dislodge cookies, I apologize for that glaring inaccuracy. Of course I use Firefox with cookies unabled, and I forbid scripts globally. However, what I meant to say is that, once someone realizes that you are using TOR, they could potentially trace back your IP address, which would obviously endanger anonymity. This is why I use bridges.
Wait, I thought you're using Chrome? Now you said Firefox? Anyway, I think you still have some inaccuracy here and you don't fully understand exactly what bridges do.

www.torproject.org...
Bridge relays (or "bridges" for short) are Tor relays that aren't listed in the main Tor directory. Since there is no complete public list of them, even if your ISP is filtering connections to all the known Tor relays, they probably won't be able to block all the bridges. If you suspect your access to the Tor network is being blocked, you may want to use the bridge feature of Tor.
That's it, it's just an unlisted relay.

Snoopers can just as easily set up an unlisted relay as they can set up a listed relay, so it really depends where you get your unlisted relays from. If you have a special source of bridge relays then you may have an advantage the typical user doesn't have, but for most people, the more typical reasons for running a bridge typically are not to improve anonymity, but rather the benefit is to bypass firewalls that block access to known Tor relays, like the great firewall of China or corporate networks:

www.torproject.org...
Are you in China, or behind a restrictive corporate network firewall that blocks the public Tor relays? If so, you should learn about Tor bridges.

It might also make it harder for your ISP to determine that you're accessing Tor but if you can find the unlisted relays, I'm not completely convinced that the ISP can't. As the Tor Website suggests, the ISP probably does know of some unlisted relays, but they probably don't know about all of them so eventually you should be able to find one they don't know about.

But if your ISP isn't blocking you, then you really have no idea if your ISP knows about the unlisted relay you're using or not. My ISP doesn't block any Tor relays so I'd have no idea if they knew about an unlisted bridge relay I'm using or not, unless I knew the person who set it up and it was just set up, or something like that.


reply posted on 31-1-2012 @ 04:21 PM by TheRemedial
Originally posted by Dreamer99
reply to post by DanaKatherineScully


That would work but the better option IMO:

Privatix ->USB Stick

Portable encrypted OS designed with privacy in mind. You can use any computer and boot into a secure Debian OS, Tor comes already configured. Nothing saves to the computer, it's all on your USB stick and all encrypted.


Liberte USB is much better option IMHO. dee.su...

Don't listen to all the scare tactics, just don't install it on your production PC and tread lightly. I don't even bother using the OS other then when I first got it to experiment and see how it works. I thought it rather neat but there is no real need for it. If you aren't doing something wrong why bother with such a program, I can maybe understand if you need to send e-mails that aren't of importance and don't want your IP attached (Selling on craigs list for instance as some people reply to ads so you reply and grab your IP).

If the software becomes illegal don't use it. If you have it on a USB stick are in a foreign country that becomes hostile over night, use it if you can in order to communicate with family and friends.


reply posted on 1-2-2012 @ 01:39 PM by seraphnb
reply to post by Arbitrageur


I use Chrome with or without TOR for my every-day browsing, but Firefox for the .onion stuff. As for bridges, I obviously do not understand their full purpose. I simply use them as an extra precaution.

Just my randomly jumbled apologies,
Seraph


reply posted on 23-4-2012 @ 08:49 PM by _R4t_
Originally posted by questforevidence
I've been on the Deep Web before at least most of the onion domain sites. I was disappointed with the size of it. It appears the size of the Deep Web is about the same size as the whole Internet in the late 1990's. A lot of it is illegal content, mostly drugs but also guns and pornography. There are a lot of scammers. There is no "Mariana's Web." The images online that supposedly show the levels of the Deep Web are false. It's like a reverse pyramid. The content might be more relevant to some people but a lot of it is available online. For instance, the knowledge files that supposedly show what really happened on 9/11, or how to make explosive weapons, etc. can be found on Piratebay and Demonoid. Nothing special really.


Eh... you took a look at the world through a straw and you think you've seen it all? Let me put it this way in simple terms... Picture this as rivers, the smaller river comes from a bigger one that comes from a bigger one that terminates in the sea right? Same principal the "Mariana" and such are nicknames given to these different layers...

Most of the security internet wise is at the fore-front with the ISP's then you get in really deep stuff from there where you have to make your way to access the network between your ISP and their providers now remember internet providers will censor a certain part of the content of their users meaning if you can pass through them and move up the chain you'll have less restricted access to the net. Each layers you go up the chain you get a less restricted access but also since you've owned the previous "layer" you can "sniff" pretty much everything going to/from the "ISP" and their providers.

Let me put this in a diff context... Lets say you breach a "ISP A" who buy their access from "ISP B" once you break "ISP A" you'll be able to sniff anything going between "ISP A" and "ISP B" meaning nothing will be secret for any customer of "ISP A"

"You'd have technically made it 1 level deeper at this point" the "level" aren't really defined its just how deep you can penetrate into the heart of internet trying to make your way to its brain so you can control the whole thing...

Now if you make it up one more notch and you break "ISP B" this means you now own every bit of data sent from any customers that are using any of the service or any company they resell service to no matter what....

And by any means the "Onion" network isn't even a real network it just catchs the "onion" part and redirect you to the proper IP's of some Joe Schmoe hosting some stuff he doesn't want people to track back to him which usually turns out to be porn or illegal stuff like you mention but it has NOTHING to do with what you think it does those are two unrelated and different things...
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