[THIS IS HUGE] Clicking Links Can Auto-Opt You in to Anonymous's Latest DDoS Attacks, page 4

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 07:48 AM by Laokin

Originally posted by Hessdalen
reply to post by OldCorp

and thats why i dont think its false flag - just a very clever "hack"...MILLIONS of people could accidently click on such a link - no way that all of them get punished....

i think thats maybe the beginning of some serious problems regarding DDOS because you cannot say its illegal if your not willingly/knowingly doing it...

like there is a demonstration and your just go shopping in the same street and they would say your part of the demonstration...
edit on 21-1-2012 by Hessdalen because: mindcontrol

Well the reality of it is, you aren't part of the attack at all. You are too, a victim of said attack.

The people who setup the links are responsible for the attack. The people who click the links are victims of the attack, because they are being hi-jacked into helping the attack without consent.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Hessdalen

Does anyone actually understand what a DDoS attack is here?
A few people clicking a link isn't going to do very much.

It takes thousands of computers to bring today's servers down.
Especially those with fiber bandwidth.

On the contrary, there will be thousands of people clicking these links on top of the already existing groups of bot nets, LOIC users, and script kiddies on deck.

Hence the deployment of the links. Duh.

(I don't feel like anymore really needs to be said but, I'll elaborate -- Anon doesn't have enough power to accomplish DDoS attacks on some of the more high profile servers. So they use facebook, pastebin, reddit, etc, and propagate links based on meme's that people click by the tens of thousands [if not millions] adding tens of thousands if not millions of concurrent connections to the servers under attack.)

It's quite clever, although highly illegal, however -- hard to track, let alone prosecute.

edit on 22-1-2012 by Laokin because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 07:54 AM by Jiggyfly

This thread kind of makes me chuckle....

Half of the people freaking out are already part of a botnet, and have probably already had their computers used in a DDoS attack, or at the least are part of sending out those amazingly titled adult friend finder spams.

If they wanted to prosecute for inadvertent DDoS attack participation, they could already stuff the FEMA camps. They don't need to infiltrate an organization, plant themselves as "hacktivists" and then make a website like this. That said, the timing does seem awfully handy for pushing through certain legislation against "rogue websites" doesn't it?

I'm not too worried about all that myself though....I got Norton.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 08:01 AM by Laokin

Originally posted by Jiggyfly
This thread kind of makes me chuckle....

Half of the people freaking out are already part of a botnet, and have probably already had their computers used in a DDoS attack, or at the least are part of sending out those amazingly titled adult friend finder spams.

If they wanted to prosecute for inadvertent DDoS attack participation, they could already stuff the FEMA camps. They don't need to infiltrate an organization, plant themselves as "hacktivists" and then make a website like this. That said, the timing does seem awfully handy for pushing through certain legislation against "rogue websites" doesn't it?

I'm not too worried about all that myself though....I got Norton.

Me thinks having your computer hacked and added to a bot net to distribute porno spam is a lot different than having your computer hacked and added to a bot net to deny service to sites like; whitehouse.gov/justice.gov et, al.

And Norton isn't going to cut it.

And your definition of "rogue" websites is grossly inaccurate. The legislation trying to be pushed through will deem any website with copywritten material, or links to therein, as a rogue website.

www.megaupload.com was the first victim -- and my god, did I ever use it as a real TOOL, to pass around large files quickly between me and other artists alike, to stimulate collaborations and what have you.

Losing MU sucks for sooooooooooo many legit people.

Sadly, there is nothing funny about this thread.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:21 AM by GreatScot

reply to post by Hessdalen

This is how I see it if this is the method to gain computer support to the attack in theory every computer in the world could become part of the hack, I don't know much about computer viruses but would imagine a parasite like virus that moves from host to host may be able to access even mobile devices and have a mobile network doing the same .

But I also feel that Anon has deeper roots and is more than just average Joe alone but I dont know who are executing and planning the operations.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:26 AM by OldCorp

reply to post by Gorman91

Please read the following statement from Frontkjemper. He said exactly what I would have.

Originally posted by Frontkjemper
reply to post by OldCorp

I've said something similar myself. An old phrase comes to mind, "useful idiots". Could anon be that useful idiot? Let's say for the sake of argument, that they're not agent provocateurs and that they're just people like you and I who are tired of being walked all over. So they go out, wreak havoc on various websites (whitehouse being the latest) to show their dismay.

SOPA and PIPA are in the works (now put on hold), the government knows with enough pushing they can get their "useful idiots" to lash back a little too much which then in return, would give the government a reason for tightening up the web.

To me this sounds like something that's already going on. The government wants control over the internet as it's THE tool to spread information and news and a perfect place to sway people's opinions. But they have no real claim to enact stringent regulations online when it comes to freedom of speech and anonymity. So they let groups like Anonymous stir up enough crap and voila, there's your reason.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 11:46 AM by Donkey_Dean

reply to post by RandalFlagg

It would in America! Ignorance is no excuse for the law!

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 12:20 PM by St Udio

in the last 10 min. when t i tried to reach ATS 'recent posts'...

the browser kept contacting the ssl.gstatic.com link with info to unscramble

i let the browser icon circle for say 15-20 seconds and then thought to disconnect from ATS
because this might be the way the ANYMOUSE is clogging up the Net and i did not want to be an innocent victim

~or~ am i just paranoid?

i read this in the replies:

I'm not too worried about all that myself though....I got Norton.

heck, Norton was the neighbor of Ralph Cramden...Ed Norton worked in the NY Sewers
Ralph was a bus driver...

AKA the Honeymooners

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 01:32 PM by indisputable

LOL i think we should all just click it not like our individual government's are going to send millions to prison.
I think it would be the safest type of attack we can commit with out consequence.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 02:02 PM by Xoanon

reply to post by AnonyWarp

what are you doing on your side to help the cause,except talking about a subject you're totaly ignorant about .?

Wow, Anonymous could not just get us to trust their mad skills and allow them to save us all so now they are trying to humiliate people in to letting them do their thing, whatever it may be, by shaming them and calling them ignorant.

is this going as well as you would like it too?

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 04:37 PM by cripmeister

Originally posted by AnonyWarp
You can say whaterever you want about Anon, but at least Anon try to do something.

what are you doing on your side to help the cause,except talking about a subject you're totaly ignorant about .?

Mounting a revenge attack in support of a douche like Kim Schmitz helps what cause exactly? The guy was a profiteer.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 05:06 PM by milkyway12

Anonymous is becoming more and more Radical / rogue.

I think this should make clear the power hackers can have on the internet. They NEED to be reigned in. Stealing and hacking into people's personal information or rental property on the internet should be criminalized and enforced.

Do i agree with everything that SOPA presented? No. I do think there needs to be regulations on "hackers" and theft? Yes. Censoring the internet? No , not in any way shape or form.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 05:09 PM by Biigs

reply to post by milkyway12

Well...

Anon didnt exist before anyone tryed to control the internet.... You talk like anon was an inevitable terrorist group.

Not saying what they are doing is right....

We had law men after people were robbed, not the other way round.

edit on 22-1-2012 by Biigs because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 05:26 PM by milkyway12

reply to post by Biigs

In my opinion , i think Hackers and theft on the internet is held in to low of a standard. No one does anything about it.

The government needs to start tracking hackers seriously and have cyber teams that track down and put people who attack a person's property on US Networks in Jail. They can do this , but they do not.

Like an internet police that target specifically hackers that are a threat. Attacking a website by taking it down or editing information? What ever .. stealing that websites credit card numbers and personal information to sell or use for your own benefit? Jail.

Anom hasnt dont anything to crazy ... yet. That i have heard of.

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Anom is also going to cause innocent people to get targeted like this SOPA and PIPA bill. They are going to piss the wrong people off and the next thing you know everything has filters on it and governments ever watchful eye.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 06:23 PM by cripmeister

Originally posted by milkyway12
Anonymous is becoming more and more Radical / rogue.

The morality or lack thereof depends on the people involved in a particular "operation".

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 08:53 PM by Donkey_Dean

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by AnonyWarp
You can say whaterever you want about Anon, but at least Anon try to do something.

what are you doing on your side to help the cause,except talking about a subject you're totaly ignorant about .?

Mounting a revenge attack in support of a douche like Kim Schmitz helps what cause exactly? The guy was a profiteer.

Let me guess. If somebody gave a million bucks for something you made you would give it all to charity? Is that what you are saying? What is a profiteer?

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 11:03 PM by cripmeister

reply to post by Donkey_Dean

You should read the 70+ page indictment against Schmitz and his buddies, they knew perfectly well what was going on and how to maximize profit from it. Racketeer is a better description of Schmitz, sorry.

reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 01:30 AM by ToneDeaf