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Is the wind alive, a living organism? (speculative)

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Well, just the fact that I have proven nearly every one of my points through either common sense or a science link. And that you refuted them by saying "SPECULATE!" Which essentially means you don't give a turd about what science has to say. You just wanna have fun here.

And my response to that is, "All hail the spaghetti monster!"




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by clypso
Air and wind is the same thing. Thats like me saying "Man" and "A man running" is different. They are in different states but in the end they are both men. Just like air. Its just air being pushed around. I dont believe its alive.


But don't you GET IT? You're supposed to SPECULATE...like, what if it WERE alive? Because some people apparently get mad if you don't ask that...

So you gotta wonder, if it were alive, what would it be? O_O in other words, your personal belief flies straight out the window, because it isn't part of the game.


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You dont have to speculate. This is were you are wrong. Your are jusr stuck here because your ego cant handle you have been exposed a lier. U have threatened to leave. Why dont u?
It will only get worse for you, as now you are dismissing all science, history, literature in order to save face
Good going. ;-)



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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The Native Americans believe that the wind is/are spirits. Perhaps there was no wind until someone died? Idk Just speculation



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Reread the threads.


I would suggest that perhaps you should do that and make note of the fact that you have postulated a question which you appear to expect others to answer, yet are not prepared to offer suggestions yourself.


Science may say what it wishes, it has not offered a cihorent explantion.
Were is the formula for wind? The equation?
Even if it had it, this thread is not about science.
Reread.


Nobody said it was, but you cannot ignore science when it offers an explanation. That does not mean that you have to accept the explanation, and science is known to be wrong in several instances. Scientific theory changes with the aggregation of knowledge. If you choose to consider science wrong then i have no problem with that, but that demands that you offer some explanation, however speculative, as to why the wind might be alive. So far you appear to have refused to do that and resorted to telling people to re-read the thread as your get out to giving an answer.


If you have trouble comprehending ahat speculation is, dont do it.


I have no problem at all comprehending what speculation is. Perhaps you should remind yourself however as you seem to have missed the point.


spec·u·la·tion (spky-lshn)
n.
1.
a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.


The Free Dictionary

Note the words "or theory reached by conjecture". You see you appear to fail to understand that you should support you speculation with any conjecture, reason or opinion however inconclusive despite the fact that i have now asked you twice to do so.


And dont te em what i and others can speculate upon, it is aki. To being a nazi.
Not an insult, but an analogy.


I am not aware that I have mentioned at any point what you and other members may speculate upon. You see your rather wild flailing with what you consider to be rebuttals in fact just heightens the impression that you unable or incapable of supporting your supposition.

You ask if the wind is alive, a living organism. You then fail to give any speculation as to why it might be, and further fail to give any credence or leeway to other members who answer you question with a perfectly valid speculation that it is not alive, backed by reasoning.

So far the only person on this thread who has failed to understand the word speculation is actually yourself.


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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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We can speculate upon what we wish. It is not for you to deciede, unless i also get to deciede, say who you should sleep with tonight.
Speculate upon where life came from out of no where.
Oh, but i forbid you!
We already have a theory for that.
See you are being childish.
Arrogant.
You are juxtapositioning science and this theory when no juxtaposition exists, only in your mind.

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Some definitions from the Farlex Free Dictionary:

Breath: "The air inhaled and exhaled in respiration."

Also

Breath: "Spirit or vitality; life."

Therefore

The air inhaled and exhaled in respiration: Spirit or vitality; life.

Ergo

Air is life

Life: "A living being."

Ergo

Air is a living being.

Wind: "Moving air."

Ergo

Wind is a moving living being.




In Shakey`s The Tempest different winds also seem to have personalities:
1. "Ariel is described as an ayrie spirit. In his merriness and freshness, his sound and cheerful being."
2. "Caliban, on the contrary, the misshapen, dull, morose fellow shows a decidely south wind nature. His mother, be it remembered, was Sycorax a south wind witch of the worse sort. She came, so the comedy says, from Algiers, whence she was expelled in consequence of her many evil deeds was

one so strong
That could controle the Moon; make flowes and ebs...".
www.sirbacon.org...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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Well, considering wind is a strong form of energy - and that energy is alive in a way we hardly understand with our human's mind - yes, wind is a living organism. Not in the way science could tell though.

I've always been fascinated by this powerful invisible energy. We can feel it but fail to see it yet. In my opinion, wind is a form of language/music used by Mother Earth itselfs for all living beings. It also has more important purposes, but still.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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...Wow. Can't argue with that. Well done, sir. You've made a very well-constructed case.


However, there is one thing you missed: the term "organism". Can you build a case that proves, by any means, that air or wind is an organism?
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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of course the wind is alive, life force flows through all mother nature to what extent this can said to be would be hard to know un less you know the truth, some people seem to forget that what they know now will one day be re written to a new level of understanding and in a couple hundred years from now people will look back on this era and say how uneducated we all were not to see that all things have consciousness, or that the world was not round it is flat ounce again and only seems round due to electromagnetic's warping space time and light.

i think that the wind is alive, i love the feeling of the wind in my face, as to being an organism possibly on a different level of understanding maybe it eats light, electromagnetic energy, maybe it excretes oxygen who knows? i dont think science has explained everything yet and i dare so no one on here would know the truth.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by MrJuicey
of course the wind is alive, life force flows through all mother nature to what extent this can said to be would be hard to know un less you know the truth, some people seem to forget that what they know now will one day be re written to a new level of understanding and in a couple hundred years from now people will look back on this era and say how uneducated we all were not to see that all things have consciousness, or that the world was not round it is flat ounce again and only seems round due to electromagnetic's warping space time and light.

i think that the wind is alive, i love the feeling of the wind in my face, as to being an organism possibly on a different level of understanding maybe it eats light, electromagnetic energy, maybe it excretes oxygen who knows? i dont think science has explained everything yet and i dare so no one on here would know the truth.




I see a problem with that. Suppose we were to trap some wind in a jar and keep it in complete darkness. Would it be dead after a week? And how would you prove there is any organisms other than the established bacterium within the jar? How would you know if it was dead?

Your enjoyment of the wind is derived from your own chemical balance, not from the wind itself. Also, your analogy seems flawed. If the earth was flat, there is no way we could conduct a round world trip. Where exactly is the edge of the world? How can we travel all the way around in an airplane and never once see an edge or sense ourselves tipping over the lip?
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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This may have already been said but maybe not.

Just consider this, wind is the result of physics, we create it every time we move, every time we turn on a fan, and every time we speak?

Would we be creating this living being every time there's motion?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by MrJuicey
of course the wind is alive, life force flows through all mother nature to what extent this can said to be would be hard to know un less you know the truth, some people seem to forget that what they know now will one day be re written to a new level of understanding and in a couple hundred years from now people will look back on this era and say how uneducated we all were not to see that all things have consciousness, or that the world was not round it is flat ounce again and only seems round due to electromagnetic's warping space time and light.

i think that the wind is alive, i love the feeling of the wind in my face, as to being an organism possibly on a different level of understanding maybe it eats light, electromagnetic energy, maybe it excretes oxygen who knows? i dont think science has explained everything yet and i dare so no one on here would know the truth.




I see a problem with that. Suppose we were to trap some wind in a jar and keep it in complete darkness. Would it be dead after a week? And how would you prove there is any organisms other than the established bacterium within the jar? How would you know if it was dead?

Your enjoyment of the wind is derived from your own chemical balance, not from the wind itself. Also, your analogy seems flawed. If the earth was flat, there is no way we could conduct a round world trip. Where exactly is the edge of the world? How can we travel all the way around in an airplane and never once see an edge or sense ourselves tipping over the lip?
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You will never get answers from anyone here.
No one cares. Everyone besides you understands speculation.
You are being a child, who nitpicks at everything, when eveyone understands.
You have been lfet out of the game. I would pressume this is not the first time.
You are looking in stomping your feet and crying.
You dare not make your own views public, because you gaurd it, as you know they are also false.
You dont realise human nature.
It is to speculate and have fun.
You have missed out, i pressume.
For some it spiritual, for some limits if current science (i know u are sure science is finished and know everything, but alas you are wrong).



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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However by the same token one could argue that because one never finds new life in unopened peanut butter jars that means that life from non-life can never happen.




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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We can speculate upon what we wish. It is not for you to deciede, unless i also get to deciede, say who you should sleep with tonight.


Well aside from the fact that your statement has nothing to do with the thread title and is completely irrelevant, deciding who I should sleep with tonight is not speculation it is making a decision thus proving that you have no idea of the meaning of the word speculation.


Speculate upon where life came from out of no where.
Oh, but i forbid you!
We already have a theory for that.


I am tickled by the fact that you are able to speculate so wildly about what was written. You see what you are saying was never stated, yet for some reason you seem to be speculating that it was.


See you are being childish.
Arrogant.
You are juxtapositioning science and this theory when no juxtaposition exists, only in your mind.


So asking you to provide reasoning, not proof, for the the wind being a living organism is childish and arrogant? Interesting. Perhaps you could show me where I have 'juxtaposed' science and this 'theory'? To juxtaposition is to place something side by side with something else and at no time have I done that. Neither have I stated that you theory is incorrect or may be unreasonable, mainly because you have offered no reasoning upon which to base any decision.

All I have asked, now for the third time is that you provide some basis for your thoughts behind the question since obviously if you are asking the question you presumably have some notion as to why this might be the case.

You should realise that in the adult world the proffering of insults really is not an argument that proves a theory or hypothesis and only serves as a possible indication that perhaps the person offering the insults has actually given the matter no thought at all but wants other to do the work.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Very nicely put. What a shame the OP could not come up with something like this instead of childish insults.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by BBalazs
 



We can speculate upon what we wish. It is not for you to deciede, unless i also get to deciede, say who you should sleep with tonight.


Well aside from the fact that your statement has nothing to do with the thread title and is completely irrelevant, deciding who I should sleep with tonight is not speculation it is making a decision thus proving that you have no idea of the meaning of the word speculation.


Speculate upon where life came from out of no where.
Oh, but i forbid you!
We already have a theory for that.


I am tickled by the fact that you are able to speculate so wildly about what was written. You see what you are saying was never stated, yet for some reason you seem to be speculating that it was.

Blablabla whatever.
When you Deciede what one can speculate on it is a decision. And this is what you hae concluded.
Twist your words my friend. But this is what is impliad to eveyone by your words.
Ohhhh science is in danger, ohhh noo.
No one is denying science here.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by buggy166
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No, but it is part of a living organism. And no, it doesnt consume air or water, it IS air and can push water depending on strength


what is air or wind though?

like what is actually moving ?

is it just a magnetic force ?

is there is a way to use a certain lens to see it in a certain spectrum ?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by dr treg
 


Very nicely put. What a shame the OP could not come up with something like this instead of childish insults.

So speculation is oka after all?
Make up your mind.
Also dont slander me.
Quote me where i made childish insults at you or eat your words.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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I thought this was for speculation only...which means we can have fun and delve into our imaginations...that's what OP said, right?
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Well, I wish not to embellish in the OP's or your nonsense.



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