The Sitchin - Catholic Problem

Originally posted by jtap66

Conversely, atheists and other people who have been taught that papal writs equal what the bible actually says, are often quite irate when you show them the papal writ was not in the bible.

As an atheist, I must ask...why would I care about Papal writs or the Bible? It's all pointless and divisive garbage. I don't see what you're getting at with this statement.

okay, let's say you're trying to teach me about life conditions on mars, you begin by quoting from some text about a now dead scientist, who's work has been under heavy scrutiny but who was the original scientist to discover that conditions on mars had the potential to support life.

however, i've been reading a newer scientist's work, who claims the older scientist is actually talking about the potential for life on a moon of mars. later it's found out that there's no way there could be life on a moon of mars. so when you quote the older scientist about the potential for life on mars, i immediately quote an even newer scientist who said your older scientist's theory is bogus as there's no potential for life on the moons of mars. you look at me and scratch your head and walk away.

what has happened is, all your buddies in the newer science community are ignoring the original work of the older scientist and are quoting from the first newer scientist who misinterpreted the older scientist's writing, claiming it was the moons of mars not mars. and then an even newer scientist swoops in for the kill point by proving your older scientist is full of crap as there's no potential for life on moons of mars.

that's about the jist of it.

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Those videos look interesting, and I'll watch them. Just bear in mind that not all science supports black holes, for example Electric Universe Theory doesnt. And I tend to see the center of the universe probably as a huge star with white hole/black hole technologies, more the mechanisms found in all stars. While I see the old testament as really negative stuff, nonetheless, there is so much coded in it, alot of ufology, stargates, astronomy, cycles, ET, most of it borrowed.

And all stars, planets are connected with strips, magnetic strips, tubes in my lucid travels, and seem to connect to a great central star in the universe, or doorway.

Originally posted by undo
i think the evidence is there to prove he did to the same or greater degree as any other person of note in the last 2000 years, with the exception of people born in our lifetimes that we've personally met or talked to and are sure are not robots. lol

Where? I mean you say the evidence is there but you don't really offer any.

Hitler was before my time. There is more proof that he existed than there is of Jesus so I must say that I disagree that there is a greater degree of proof of the existance of Jesus than other persons of not in the last 2000 years.

Even if everything before 1950 is a complete fabrication they still didn't fabricate all that much about him when compared to royals, politicians and even celebrities.

Originally posted by Unity_99
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Those videos look interesting, and I'll watch them. Just bear in mind that not all science supports black holes, for example Electric Universe Theory doesnt. And I tend to see the center of the universe probably as a huge star with white hole/black hole technologies, more the mechanisms found in all stars. While I see the old testament as really negative stuff, nonetheless, there is so much coded in it, alot of ufology, stargates, astronomy, cycles, ET, most of it borrowed.

And all stars, planets are connected with strips, magnetic strips, tubes in my lucid travels, and seem to connect to a great central star in the universe, or doorway.

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that was one of my provisos in the thread. that it makes no sense to claim semites who lived in the area, had no part in their own history and instead borrowed it from someone else. it's totally illogical.

Wow, that's not exactly a black hole, but the Abyss, the opposite of the sun, and that is the hard core prison, yet these beings/entities still have access and can portal their projection, not full self, in, and mess with the students in the school.

In fact, our behavior, our frequency, collective, and individual (because we can only act or affect the collective by doing our work , the wake up and connecting to Source, one person at a time.) The more we shine love, and strive to overcome, the more empowered those who are of Love and Goodness watching over, to assist.

The opposite is true.

Its similar to a black hole, its kind of the opposite of Light or the Stars and its gravity. The gravity of guilt.

Revelations 9 11, though not a revelations lover, nonetheless some codes in there.

I guess one could think of it as similar to a black hole.

Will continue watching that video, and its not too slow a beginning it seems he is being guided, and that interests me right away.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by undo
i think the evidence is there to prove he did to the same or greater degree as any other person of note in the last 2000 years, with the exception of people born in our lifetimes that we've personally met or talked to and are sure are not robots. lol

Where? I mean you say the evidence is there but you don't really offer any.

Hitler was before my time. There is more proof that he existed than there is of Jesus so I must say that I disagree that there is a greater degree of proof of the existance of Jesus than other persons of not in the last 2000 years.

Even if everything before 1950 is a complete fabrication they still didn't fabricate all that much about him when compared to royals, politicians and even celebrities.

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well let's say that jesus was the original son of cleopatra and julius caesar named caesarian (not really caesar's son, but that would've been his adopted daddy as it were). prove to me that cleopatra had a son named caesarian.

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Not every book is borrowed, but the origins of the religion. Actually the religion itself was formed from their records of history from other lands such as Sumar and even Egypt, some of it is related to that land, and conquering those people and events that took place. But some of it isn't. Enoch is pre Moses and Moses is the Sumerian tale of the flood, so I'm not sure that Enoch is Judiac, seems to me he is Sumerian.

Originally posted by Unity_99
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Not every book is borrowed, but the origins of the religion. Actually the religion itself was formed from their records of history from other lands such as Sumar and even Egypt, some of it is related to that land, and conquering those people and events that took place. But some of it isn't. Enoch is pre Moses and Moses is the Sumerian tale of the flood, so I'm not sure that Enoch is Judiac, seems to me he is Sumerian.

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correct. as far as i can tell, it went like this:

after the black sea flood, some of noah's descendants went to egypt and some to ethiopia.
they took the flood and pre-flood history with them. fast forward to the time of the hyksos shepherd kings in egypt. moses is raised as an egyptian but still learns the same history as the akkadians did, because it's the same history using egyptian words and cultural forms. his mom is his nanny, as it were, and she probably teaches him about "her" people, and as a result, he learns not only the egyptian rendition but the mesopotamian one. he eventually writes down this amalgamtion of information, which is based on the combined knowledge of two different lines from the same family tree with the same history.

and yes, enoch would've predated moses and been sumerian. but he was in the genetic line of the house of judah, which is why his name is mentioned in the genealogies.

HI,
Jupiter = st.peter --------------sun
venus = Virgin mary --------------moon

The Lunar Eclipse and Number Patterns in Scripture Declare God's Glory
by Susan Kanen

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"By applying number patterns in Scriptures, God's glory can be seen in the eclipse. The interaction between sun (bridegroom) and moon (bride) during an eclipse can be seen to be like a marriage union speaking to us of our coming redemption. "

Psalm 19:1-5
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. [2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. [4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

The sun is like the bridegroom of Psalm 19:4-5 whose daylight is organized into weeks of 7 days. The number seven is associated with maleness. God, Our Father, created in 7 days, His Word is symbolized by the 7 candle menorah in the Temple, and the number 7 is very prominent in the Bible as many authors have written.

The moon is like a bride reflecting the sun's light. The lunar cycle gives rise to 12 months per year and is similar to a woman's reproductive cycle. The Jewish calendar, a lunar calendar, is the pattern for God's people to respond to Him. Tides, mainly caused by the moon's gravitation, rise and fall by 12ths (tides rise by 1/12th of the total change the first hour, 2/12th the second and 3/12th the third and fall the next hour 3/12th, then 2/12th and finally to 1/12th before slack tide). The moon is associated with femaleness and the number 12.

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"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood. "

"The statues of the 'gods' from the Pantheon are now
found in the Vatican Museum with the exception of
the great statue of Jupiter, which has been modified,
retitled, and seated on a throne in St. Peter's Basilica
in Rome as St. Peter. Thousands of pilgrims kiss the
foot of Jupiter while thinking it is the statue of Peter."


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Originally posted by undo
well let's say that jesus was the original son of cleopatra and julius caesar named caesarian (not really caesar's son, but that would've been his adopted daddy as it were). prove to me that cleopatra had a son.

Why? I'm making no such claim. I have no interest in proving that either of those people actually existed or that they had a son.

You're actually making the case for me. There is more proof, even if fake or inaccurate, that she and her son existed than Jesus and it's from around the same time period. It would seem that the egyptians were just better record keepers.

Templars switch sides. They are obsessed with the female side of "God", Mary,

Islamic views of Mary
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mary (مريم Maryam in Arabic), the mother of Jesus, is considered one of the most righteous women in the Islamic tradition. She is mentioned more in the Qur'an[1] than in the entire New Testament and is also the only woman mentioned by name in the Qur'an.[2] According to the Qur'an, Jesus was born miraculously by the will of God without a father. His mother is regarded as a chaste and virtuous woman and is said to have been a virgin. The Qur'an states clearly that Jesus was the result of a virgin birth, but that neither Mary nor her son were divine. In the Qur'an, no other woman is given more attention than Mary and the Qur'an states that Mary was chosen above all women:

1.Encyclopedia of ancient and forbidden secrets.

The Worship of Baphomet (see Baphomet)
The Atbash Cipher Theory
As early as 500 BC Scribes writing the book of Jeremiah used what
we now know to be the ATBASH cipher. This cipher is one of the
few used in the Hebrew language
If one writes the word Baphomet in Hebrew and remember Hebrew
letters read from right to left, the result is as shown below:
[taf] [mem] [vav] [pe] [bet] Baphomet In Hebrew Right to Left
Applying the Atbash cipher:
[alef] [yud] [pe] [vav] [shin] Results In Sophia a Greek Word
Written In Hebrew Right To Left
Although written in Hebrew it reads as the Greek word Sophia that
translates into "Wisdom" in English. However, there is another
connotation to the term, for Sophia was the Goddess and
considered to be the bride of God. It should be remembered that
their patron, St. Bernard of Clairvaux had an absolute obsession
with Mary

A Corruption Of The Name Mahomet (Mohammed)
Some scholars hold that Baphomet is Old French for Mohammed,
the Islamic prophet. Others contend that Baphomet is merely a
corruption or mispronunciation of the same name. In either case if
the Templars admitted to following Mohammed or Mahomet, then
they would clearly be heretics in the eyes of the inquisition. It is
almost certain that at least some members of the order adopted
Islamic practices from their involvement with them in Outremer.

2.Encyclopedia of occultism ans parapsychology Vol.2

The occult idea has been preserved through the ages, the
same in essence among the believers in all religions. To a great
extent, the occult’s trend was in one direction, so that the fusion
of the older mystical societies and their rebirth as a new brotherhood
is a plausible hypothesis.

The entry on the Templars, for example, suggests the possibility
of that brotherhood having received its tenets from the
East. It seems very likely that its rites were oriental in origin,
and certainly the occult systems of Europe owed much to the
Templars, who, probably, after the fall of their own order, secretly
formed others or joined existing societies.

Masons have a hypothesis that they inherited traditions
from the Dionysian artificers, the artisans of Byzantium, and
the building brotherhoods of Western Europe. This is not a
proven theory; however, it is much more feasible than the romantic
legend concerning the rise of Freemasonry at the time
of the building of the Temple of Solomon.

One of the chief reasons that we know so little concerning
these brotherhoods in medieval times is that the charge of dabbling
in the occult arts was a serious one in the eyes of the law
and the church; therefore, occultists found it necessary to carry
on their practices in secret.
But after the Reformation, a modern spirit took possession
of Europe, and protagonists of the occult sciences came out of
their secrecy and practiced in the open light of day. In England,
for example, numerous persons avowed themselves alchemists;
in Germany the ‘‘Rosicrucians’’ sent out a manifesto;
in Scotland, Alexander Seton, a great master of the hermetic
art, flourished.
But it was nearly a century later when further secret societies
were formed, such as the Academy of the Ancients and of the
Mysteries in 1767; the Knights of the True Light, founded in
Austria about 1780; the Knights and Brethren of Asia, which
appeared in Germany in the same year; the Order of Jerusalem,
which originated in America in 1791; and the Society of
the Universal Aurora, established in Paris in 1783.

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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by undo
well let's say that jesus was the original son of cleopatra and julius caesar named caesarian (not really caesar's son, but that would've been his adopted daddy as it were). prove to me that cleopatra had a son.

Why? I'm making no such claim. I have no interest in proving that either of those people actually existed or that they had a son.

You're actually making tha case for me. There is more proof, even if fake or inacurate, that she and her son existed than Jesus and it's from around the same time period. It would seem that the egyptians were just better record keepers.

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no i'm not making the case for you. i'm proving jesus actually existed. so go ahead, prove to me that caesarian the son of cleopatra, existed.

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Proving that Jesus existed, how?

How is proving that the existance of Caesarian takes just as much faith as the existance Jesus proof that Jesus existed?

A step toward statesmen clergy. Another function of the new world religion, Islam. The challenge Muhammad was given was to eradicate all Jews and Christians that held original manuscripts not translated into Greek of the New Testament. These groups practiced other interpretations and would argue any version any one particular papal family tried to impose. The Catholic faith was to remain supreme with its interpretation of scripture. Islam ended up taking a life of its own and the rest is history.

"A great deal of evidence shows that Ignatius of Loyola, before establishing his Order [the Jesuits], was initiated into the mystical secrets of the Shadliyya sect in Southern Spain and in the Maghreb, on a specific request by the aristocratic families of Venice".

some rather weird statements that were tortured out of the Templars by the inquisitors who wanted to lay hands on their considerable riches: "as a Gnostic cult", the Templars took up elements "drawn from Islamic doctrine (such as the adoration of the god Baphomet)". So we finally know what Muslims do in the mosques: they worship Baphomet.

Thanks to the Templars, the Cathars too became a "Sufi movement", the purpose being that of "freezing progress and blocking the development of the population at zero growth" (p. 22).

A this point, we meet the Thule Society, which supposedly inspired German National Socialism. Goodrick-Clarke, in The Occult Roots of Nazism (The Acquarian Press, Wellingborough, UK, 1985) says everything there is to say about this matter. There were some occultists among German nationalists, much as there are Keltic magicians among the followers of the Italian "Lega" or Cabalists among Zionist extremists. It is hard to say how much mysticism inspired certain political theses, and how much it simply justified them. It is true that the founder of the National Socialist Party, Dietrich Eckart, had belonged briefly to the Thule Society, which did indeed use at least an initiatory jargon. However this marginal world never interested Adolf Hitler. Whose notoriously rather unpleasant character prevented him from allowing others to tell him what to do even when this meant losing a quarter of a million soldiers at Stalingrad.

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Fatima in portugal

Fatima is a very important and central figure in Iranian Shiite. The literature dealing with her is secondary literature i.e. hadith, narratives, reports and is relatively substantial. It is often commented that such literature with respect to women is a mirror image of the misogynist attitudes in the Muslim countries and is used as a tool to reinforce such negative trends. There is literature of this kind associated with Fatima too. The most famous is the one she is quoted as saying, "the best thing for a woman is to stay at home and not to be seen by strange men" (Bukhari). However the bulk of the literature dealing with her is from a different class and a different story. The literature has depth, is multi dimensional and has an evolution. The earlier accounts are biographical, Ibn Hisham in his biography of Prophet Muhammad, the earliest records of his life and early Islam only mentions her. Bukhari has more information but again she is only mentioned. As of 10th century with the appearance of several minor and a couple of major pro-Shiite dynasties, Fatamid of Egypt and Buyeh of Iran, her image gradually but eventually drastically changes. Fatamid claim descent from Fatima and it is during Buyeh period that for the first time public mourning for Imam Hussein is performed in Iran. From this time she becomes more of a Saint and less of a person. Sixteenth century and the coming of Safavid dynasty and Majlesi’s colossal work ‘Oceans of Light’ completed her transformation into a major Saint with a number of titles each a manifestation of one of her saintly attributes and more.

She is divine in origin and several variations of a major hadith describe how she was conceived on the night of Meraj (ascension). On this night Gabriel took Muhammad to Jerusalem and then to Heaven. While up in Heaven, he was offered some heavenly fruit, the seed of which was responsible for her conception, after Prophet’s arrival at home on the same night and making love to his beloved Khadija. This story is important and has become a point of departure between Sunni and Shiite with respect to her age. Following Shiite account since she was conceived on this night she lived for only 18 years. While Sunni believe she was born five years before revelation and as a result she is 10 years older.

She is called Zahra, the radiant one, a universal motif and a characteristic of all saints. She is also called Batul, meaning virgin. She is Queen of mankind and is compared to Mary and is called Maryam and like Mary she is Queen of Heaven. She is the first woman who will enter the paradise

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As evidence that all this is being covered up by the church I offer the reason why with this ONE example of a family vying for power over the version of the good book they push. In the Catholic church you have power being taken from the descendants of Christ and his family, Desposyni and hybrids. The winning family who gave their version of the good book decided to hide the direct "divine" lineage.

if you keep looking you find more. Each family has an origin and a version of events they use to spin and survive.

The Merovingian Mythos:
Its Symbolic Significance and its Roots in the Ancient Kingdom of Atlantis
by Tracy R. Twyman

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The Frankish King Dagobert II, and the Merovingian dynasty from which he came, have been romantically mythologized in the annals of both local legend and modern mystical pseudo-history, but few have understood the true meaning and origins of their alluring mystery. The mystique that surrounds them includes attributions of saintliness, magical powers (derived from their long red hair), and even divine origin, stemming from their supposed descent from the one and only Jesus Christ. However, the importance of the divine origin of the Merovingians, and the antiquity from whence it comes, has never to this author's knowledge been fully explored by any writer or historian. As Boyd Rice and I will explain in more detail in our forthcoming book, we have uncovered mountains of evidence which indicates that the origins of the Merovingian race, and the mystery that surrounds them, lies ultimately with a race of beings, "Nephilim," or "Fallen Angels," who created mankind as we know him today, and with a civilization, far more ancient than recorded history, from which came all of the major arts and sciences that are basic to civilizations everywhere, even unto today. As we intend to show, all of the myths and symbolism that are associated with this dynasty can, in fact, be traced back to this earlier civilization. It is known, in some cultures, as Atlantis, although there are many names for it, and it is the birthplace of agriculture, astronomy, mathematics, metallurgy, navigation, architecture, language, writing, and religion. It was also the source of the first government on Earth - monarchy. And the first kings on Earth were the gods.

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sitchin vs catholics , thats 2 of the factions argueing over who`s imaginary friend is real , yes ?

So what we have is a war of houses over us the sheep by our shepherd kings. Kind of like dune.lol
IMO all religions know the source is not of this world.
they hide their origin but argue their own supremacy. It is a survival thing. Their pure blood over ours.

Anti-Islamism takes on many guises. Certainly one of the oddest however is this : did you know there is a conspiracy by Islamic fundamentalist Templars, led by Venetian Nazis, who plan to kill the Pope, promote Liberation Theology in Latin America and push drugs, all of this for the sole purpose of restoring the glorious government of the Doges?
This is what we discover reading the book Il quarto livello ("The Fourth Level", Editori Riuniti, Rome, 1996) by former judge and former Italian Parliament member, Carlo Palermo, whom many know and admire as an adversary of corruption in very difficult times. Nothing we say here should be understood as a criticism of his Quixotic personality.

Palermo made the headlines some time ago when he gave an interview to the daily Il Giornale, accusing the "Templars and the Shiites" for an (accidental) fire in the chapel in Turin where the Holy Shroud is kept. Authoritative journalists have described Palermo's book as the last word on the Mafia and on the mysterious bomb outrages of the 70's and 80's in Italy

Yet what he writes stands to history as does the hollow earth theory to geology.

"Why did Hutus and Tutsis massacre each other in Rwanda? Why did the peoples of former Yugoslavia do the same? Why is terror being spread today in Paris or in Beirut, in Algeria or in New York, in Islamabad, in Karachi or in Jerusalem ? [...] Why are macabre mass suicides still being committed in Canada and in Switzerland, in the name of a religious cult which draws its inspiration from the old Templar Order ..? Why, on the threshold of the third millennium, has the Church not yet explained the third secret of Fatima to the faithful ...? Why are we still unable to cast full light on the terrible bomb outrages which struck Italy during the 70's and 80's ..?" (pp. 4-5).

Well, I suppose that is a good question

The cover of the book helps the reader go guess the answer - against a black background, a bald knight Templar, with a long beard, rises up threateningly.

Palermo's story starts with the International Bank of Credit and Commerce (IBCC), which had a large number of dubious account holders, and then crashed with the CIA investigating it.

Now, according to Palermo, the IBCC was established by a group of Pakistanis whom he calls "of Shiite confession, of Sufi creed" (p. 19).

The whole book rests on these six words, since they connect the dirty business at the IBCC with the whole world of what one might call "the occult", plus Islam too.

According to Palermo, Sufism is "a sort of final cult" devoted to an "anti-scientific and anti-technological" struggle, and can be found "both in Islamic and in Catholic fundamentalism" (p. 19 ff.).

"The cult of the return to Mother Nature meets with special favour in the ascetic mysticism of Sufism".

Let us pause a moment to say a few terribly obvious things. The various Sufi orders are closed groups within the Islamic world (not within the Catholic world) which attempt to reach certain mystical states through contemplation of the word of the Qur'an.

The founders may have been saints, but their heirs only too often have become countryside magicians. Nobody can actually call them "heretics" as long as they perform all their religious duties, but rumour often accuses them of transgressing the law of the common folk.

Devotion to saints, political passiveness, recourse to magical practices, the creation of an elite within a society like the Islamic one based on the equality of men before Allah - all of this has made Sufism largely hateful to just those fundamentalists Palermo associates them with.

Sufism, apart from some poems thanking Allah for rain (a masculine word in Arabic), certainly has no cult of "Mother Nature". "Nature" in Arabic is expressed using a word meaning "moulded" or "printed": it is no "mother", but rather the sign that a unique and almighty divinity has impressed on the world. Of course some Westerners mix up the "Wise Men of the East" with their own smog problems, but that is another story.

"If we want to identify the sector where Sufi philosophy has penetrated most deeply, we must see how the international far Right has developed. And the greatest leader of the Right, Adolf Hitler, comes to mind at once" (p. 20).

And here is how he proves this:
The SS "looked back" to the Prussian Empire.
The Prussian Empire was a "direct derivation of the state of the Teutonic Military Order".
The Teutonic Order had absorbed "some members" of the suppressed Templar Order.
These members drew their inspiration "from Sufism".
Therefore, "it is a fact that the SS state was a Sufi state".

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Just wanted to share some of the descriptions of words in the Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch, which I am currently reading.

Seraphim:
Angelic minds of Light who serve Father and Son Universes through multilight codings and the capacity to take on the appearance force/form of multi-corporeal form.

KEY 303

[58] …the Order of the Seraphim who are princely guardian intelligences, controlling the major pictographs monitoring the lower heavens. Through their multiple appearances, the Seraphim work with the external prototypes of consciousness creation, as well as govern the ranks of light intelligences not allocated to the deities.

[59] Without receiving the baptism of seeing the Shekinah Light from the Seraphim, Man is not able to come out of this world, pass through the lower firmaments and see all the rulers and all lords, and all gods and all the great invisibles of his local universe.

[60] Their Command governs myriads of intelligence that are connected with specific consciousness zones.

[61] The Seraphim open man’s eyes to work with the “government of the Higher Evolution”. They structure the “Government of Light” which is necessary in the merger of different planetary worlds under a unified “wisdom.”

This “Wisdom” is manifested from the Ancient of Days through the Father, revealed to the newborn creation as the Recent of Days.

[62] Of all the Orders of the Host, the seraphim have been chosen to maifest the “Government of Light” because they know how to associate the right “Wisdom” with the “Right planets” in accordance with the Father’s “Master Plan”.

[63] In the beginning of the physical planes of our local universe, a portion of the Adamic race fell and became the “inheritors” of the “limited” space of the inheritance outside the guardians of the galactic tree. There were others of the Sethian thrice-regenerated, the Enochian thrice-regenerated, and the Methusalian thrice-regenerated seed who were used to upgrade the intelligence of Man. These were the “First-Born” who were in the heavens prior to the creation of this world, and who chose to be “RE-born” in the spiritual body upon the earth in order to help in re-generating man back into a body of Light so that he could return to the family of the heavens.

[64] When this thrice-regenerated power was taken from the face of the earth, the Seraphim were commissioned to insure the continuation of the work of Seth, Enoch and Methuselah. Just as these three were taken into time translation, into the higher heavens.

[65] The Seraphim lifted the ark of Noah and his seed into the neavens and then returned it safely to this planet so that the Kingdom of God could begin again.

[66] Thus, the work of the Seraphim is to protect the Hokhman, the Wisdom, and the holy seed, by summoning forth the proper ark, and seeing to the readaptation of life upon the land during all Noah-like deliverances where the intervention of higher intelligence is necessary.

YHWH:

Yod Hey Vod Hey of the Living Everlasting Light. The Revealed Name to our Father Universe of the Living God behind all Creator Gods. YHWH is one of seventy-two sacred names of the Infinite Mind, each having its own Father universe and celestial Hierarchy.

Keys of Enoch

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The video is good, but it will take a bit to get through to the end, I've stopped to find and read the Shepherd of Hermes, and its speaking to me, I just sensed messages within, and will be spending time reading and exploring more. I keep thinking we're here to grow up, and to be more Loving and Kind and Good, striving for equality and freedom, with all the other attributes of Love as well, which includes, gentleness, peace, sharing, giving, forgiving, bearing with one another, friendship, fortitude, courage, compassion. And seeing through the corruption in our religions, in our governments and world, living with the Spirit of Peace and Love and perfecting ourselves is the whole reason for being here.

Christ himself taught the way to go within and connect to Source, and to become a Light Worker, really, and the religions have it pretty corrupted. And by Light Worker ,that isn't a new age catch all word, its a short cut to saying perfecting self, serving others, kindness and a long list of things that go with shining our light, and the True Light into the proverbial world of darkness.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by undo
well let's say that jesus was the original son of cleopatra and julius caesar named caesarian (not really caesar's son, but that would've been his adopted daddy as it were). prove to me that cleopatra had a son.

. I have no interest in proving that either of those people actually existed or that they had a son.

after pondering your response for a bit, i think it's obvious you don't want the question answered or the proof given. i was attempting to get you to prove it to yourself because self-discovery is always the best way to learn something.