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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Ironically, last few days had someone I admired online call me a heretic for not supporting revelations, which to me is a very dark side code where they hide their plans and codes and then rope humanity into pulling in. So many wars, even the concept of a holy war, its hideous and the opposite of Love and Goodness.

The old testament, all based on lies and misinterpretations for Power, and to control others and have war after war for power/profit and to entrap souls IMO.

And its all based on Sumar but changed into a religion, for the Sumar wasn't.

The irony is, Christ was murdered for being a herectic too, and so called blasphemy. Funny eh. He was just too Love and Light, new agie, and eastern/Budda type philosophy for all the zionists, a common complaint even today and one of the ways they try to police the threads. So ironic!!!!
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i didn't watch his entire series. does he think enki was jesus?
pertinent point here.




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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No, he absolutely doesnt make guesses. He only uses literal translations and cross references meanings. And even when he saw something, concernig Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge that there is a whole concept missing, right and wrong and the truth in our hearts, he just considered himself a nobody, so ignored it until a famous, well respected translator was speaking after the psycotherapists spoke talking about morality that is inborn in humanity, and that famous translator spoke up, thanked them for their wonderful talks and then said, the problem is, that the Bible doesnt say that, that idea is not in the bible at all. And because its not, it changes the entire thing.

Children are programmed, sometimes their souls can override the programming but the first 6 years of life are cricital.

So, he is basically a translator and does not summerize ideas on Christ. He simply does the translation, and they cross reference with other historical data because there was No HEBREW language so no one knows what vowels were inserted and no one knows the pronounciation. Its all a GAME the bible is just a control trip game.

But when you cross reference, you can get some direction on the truth.

And they do know some things, and can guess on what type of language or group of languages they were speaking, ie. aramiac, phoenician and others others were brought up.

I watched the whole thing, and was so impressed with his credentials. The Church fired him, but they couldn't wipe his name off their publications, ie bury his existence. As his name was put in print beside one of their big translators working for that publishing house, an archbishop or cardinal or some other bigwig in the Church.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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I'll give you another example, well there is so much in those videos, including DNA work. And words imply this.

OK, but the one I will do is the Burnt Offerings, and the words were translation sedate, the smell sedated the elohim. So while the intent of heart between Cain and Abel were the same, both offering the fruits of their labor, the Elohim was not spiritually God, and he actually had a preference, for burnt offerings.

Now, a possible reason popped up later on, for this author is not a researcher on any UFO topic, nor has ever seen a craft, he is simply a translator. But after sharing the information on several different talks, a NASA worker contacted him.

He said, that NASA had contracted a perfume company laboratory to create a scent to be applied to the asronauts suits, for their training in the pools.

The scent was like burnt meat. It wasn't pleasant.

The reason for this is due to something in space, that works our body system, and when an astronaut goes back inside the craft, the cells sluff off, and burn up in the artificial atmosphere, and hence they have to get used to this scent.

Also there is something in the fat of animals that is like the natural sedatives in our brains, when they're burnt. And this sort of shrinks or changes in space. Like space walks and working in space sounds yucky.

So it gets them high? Or sedates them? Because they're astronauts.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Genesis6:19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

It was not every species of animal or subclassification thereof. It was every sort of animal. Not 2 beagles,2 great danes, 2 coliies, 2 sheep dogs, etc. It was 2 canines.

The first reference is for 2 of each animal to keep the line going. The 7 of each is for food and to reseed the earth in the case of the birds.

This is what scripture says- believing it is up to the individual



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
I'll give you another example, well there is so much in those videos, including DNA work. And words imply this.

OK, but the one I will do is the Burnt Offerings, and the words were translation sedate, the smell sedated the elohim. So while the intent of heart between Cain and Abel were the same, both offering the fruits of their labor, the Elohim was not spiritually God, and he actually had a preference, for burnt offerings.

Now, a possible reason popped up later on, for this author is not a researcher on any UFO topic, nor has ever seen a craft, he is simply a translator. But after sharing the information on several different talks, a NASA worker contacted him.

He said, that NASA had contracted a perfume company laboratory to create a scent to be applied to the asronauts suits, for their training in the pools.

The scent was like burnt meat. It wasn't pleasant.

The reason for this is due to something in space, that works our body system, and when an astronaut goes back inside the craft, the cells sluff off, and burn up in the artificial atmosphere, and hence they have to get used to this scent.

Also there is something in the fat of animals that is like the natural sedatives in our brains, when they're burnt. And this sort of shrinks or changes in space. Like space walks and working in space sounds yucky.

So it gets them high? Or sedates them? Because they're astronauts.
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i've read several different approaches to this, including one fellow who said they were reptilians, and they like meat because they're carnivores and omnivores like homo sapians. it kinda made sense in light of the verses that actually say something along that line, particularly dragon references. but that doesn't necessarily account for all of it. it just adds another layer of interest. even one reference where it says, i would that you were either hot or cold but you are lukewarm, therefore i will spew you out of my mouth. took me back a little. was wondering what people would be doing in his mouth and why would the temp have anything to do with it.

at first i thought it was a reference to what christians call being on fire for the lord, not a literal fire, but a desire to keep a friendly relationship with him in prayer. and that it was just a metaphor. then i thought it might be a recipe, that was an OH MY GOSH! moment. lol then it dawned on me that it might be something stranger still. but that's for another topic that will lead the thread way out in left field if i start talking about it now. you know all the things that you go thru your head while studying all this ancient stuff. it can get pretty crazy.

but the reptilian concept shares reference with the amphibian concept too. the fish gods. the greys with their bug like heads with big slanted eyes and etc. i've considered this is in context with data from an author named finis jennings dake, who suggested that before homo sapians were on earth, there was a race of beings the bible refers to as angels who lived here as we do now. most assume they are human in appearance, but there's a race of them called the seraphim which is seraph in singular, and seraph means fiery serpent, coppery or bronze in color.. in other words, considering reptiles were the predominant species on the planet for a long time, it's possible.

he referred to their time on earth as the angelic dispensation and the bible covers very little of that timeframe and that the bible is almost entirely about the human dispensation. he claims this is a testing ground, to determine how each of us will fit into the universal government.

the guy wrote the book back in the 50s and is hard core christian, if you can believe that. he made some really amazing finds in the old testament text, to back up his beliefs. book is called god's plan for man but the angelic dispensation chapter is not very long, whereas the rest of the book is huge, in fine print, and covers alot of very indepth scriptural study about other more mundane subjects. he, however, doesn't mention them being reptilian at all. i'm assuming he thinks they look just like us

anyway, if he's right, we could be looking at countless interactions between countless races from all over the universe, and not being able to separate one event as being unique from another, when in fact, some of them may have been totally different species of this system, this galaxy, the galactic cluster, this universe, multiverse or some other dimension. lol

now THAT's complicated.





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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by micmerci
Genesis6:19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

It was not every species of animal or subclassification thereof. It was every sort of animal. Not 2 beagles,2 great danes, 2 coliies, 2 sheep dogs, etc. It was 2 canines.

The first reference is for 2 of each animal to keep the line going. The 7 of each is for food and to reseed the earth in the case of the birds.

This is what scripture says- believing it is up to the individual


i think there's two examples mixed together there, like the cataclysm that must've been the reason for the opening of genesis 1:1 to sound like the world was tohu when it hadn't been created tohu. land was already there and the water just receded to reveal it. i think there's 2 floods, mixed together. the cataclysm that ended the angelic dispensation and the black sea flood that wiped sumer and other water bordering populations.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Someone told me annanuki was a kind of federation and interspecies, from reptilian to tall humans to greys, like not one thing. I don't think they're all negatives, but a certain group of renegades on the lower levels had a big say here, or took it over by force after working behind the scenes to create consequences and lower far past "earthlings" frequency, perhaps when this planet wasn't even where it is now.

So this doesnt really get into Christ except I don't think he believes in a biblical Christ due to the author of one of the books, who was told by his "contact" all that this being knew, so the secrets of the universe, according to the mind and/or propaganda, of his contact. And this book wasn't finished until after Christ's death, yet he wasn't included. That's a short video, number 6. To me it hardly matters if Christ is real or not, for the Source, Spirit of Love and Light is and yet, I feel he is, and have experienced him.

Of course that doesnt surprise me any, as Rome wouldn't at that time promote him, they did it later, and Zion or Controllers wouldn't promote him, nor do I believe that any renegade ET/Entity would either.

So that proves nothing either way to me.

But I think by just casual observing we can more or less tell that a lot of humans who wish for an equal/free/loving world are stuck in a kind near hellzone and that its not the good guys running this, nor is it the good guys coded in the bible.

Nor enki, nor enlil, really, could be called white hats truly by me, for from what I understand that is two factions here. Though I'm sure some of them are good.

That ying yang symbol has dark in light, and light in dark, that means that we can't judge people, but we can determine a tree by its fruit, but should still send love and yet, ask for them to be removed from us, surrounded by healing love and Christ Consciousness, and removed to the place they are best for their lessons and frequency, far away from endangering us.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by undo for example: the abzu. man are people confused on what that thing is/was. no one, other than perhaps samuel noah kramer (which see) and perhaps sitchin (who thought it was a mine in south africa) have actually done any justice for the word "Abzu."
here's a big hint: it's the abyss, which in the bible is the bottomless pit and abyss as well. used both ways. the egyptians talked about it too. in fact that's what the founding city of dynastic egypt was, abydos. abydos is greek spelling. egyptian is abdju. dj is pronounced z. abzu. what's enki's abzu doing in egypt?


Being somewhat of a linguist... when I read the word 'Abzu' I immediately saw two German words... 'ab' = down and 'zu' = to. There is, indeed, more to language and the words we use, and think are native of a certain nation or part of the world.

Interesting.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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the da vinci code is fiction. authored perhaps by one of the slyest trolls ever to put pen to paper.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
the da vinci code is fiction. authored perhaps by one of the slyest trolls ever to put pen to paper.


i dunno zeitgeist is pretty dang bad. everytime i see people use stuff like that to prove jesus didn't exist, i know right away that a huge percentage of it will be based on stuff the popes said, rather than what was in the text. if it ain't in the text, how can you be sure it was meant to be the way the popes taught it? something ain't right, obviously.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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dunno if you saw this video but thought i'd share it: it starts off kinda slow. he's reading from his own pre-written text, but then it starts to get good. and i do mean, good. there's a reason i'm bringing this up. once you get past his explanation for what lead him to the discovery, it'll be quite interesting. don't stop till you've heard the whole thing



and here's what our galactic center looks like. these are the stars circling our super massive black hole, in the center of the milky way. enoch wasn't even in our galaxy. he was in an active galaxy when he saw that event.



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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by LajanAytik

Originally posted by undo for example: the abzu. man are people confused on what that thing is/was. no one, other than perhaps samuel noah kramer (which see) and perhaps sitchin (who thought it was a mine in south africa) have actually done any justice for the word "Abzu."
here's a big hint: it's the abyss, which in the bible is the bottomless pit and abyss as well. used both ways. the egyptians talked about it too. in fact that's what the founding city of dynastic egypt was, abydos. abydos is greek spelling. egyptian is abdju. dj is pronounced z. abzu. what's enki's abzu doing in egypt?


Being somewhat of a linguist... when I read the word 'Abzu' I immediately saw two German words... 'ab' = down and 'zu' = to. There is, indeed, more to language and the words we use, and think are native of a certain nation or part of the world.

Interesting.


oh i find all kinds of norse mythology in sumerian and biblical texts. as a result, i don't think it's as much myth as it is ancient history that has its own cultural and generational layering to it.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Christmas on December 25th. Christmas is not in the bible. To call this evidence the bible is false, is ludicrous. To defend it as the legitimate date of Christ's birth, is also ludicrous.


This is more a mistranslation than falsehood. Falsehoods are outright lies. Jesus was concieved around the 25th of Kislev (December in the year he was born) in which the year he was born Chanakuh fell on the 20th-28th. If you count forward 9 months for the typical human gestation period he is born during Tishrei near Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) which is around the end of september the beginning of october. There are 13 months in the hebrew calendar versus the 12 month solar standard calendar everyone else uses. Because the hebrew calendar is 13 months long and not 12 months, the hebrew months shift around a bit.

Then you have to consider the star gospel.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Christmas on December 25th. Christmas is not in the bible. To call this evidence the bible is false, is ludicrous. To defend it as the legitimate date of Christ's birth, is also ludicrous.


This is more a mistranslation than falsehood. Falsehoods are outright lies. Jesus was concieved around the 25th of Kislev (December in the year he was born) in which the year he was born Chanakuh fell on the 20th-28th. If you count forward 9 months for the typical human gestation period he is born during Tishrei near Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) which is around the end of september the beginning of october. There are 13 months in the hebrew calendar versus the 12 month solar standard calendar everyone else uses. Because the hebrew calendar is 13 months long and not 12 months, the hebrew months shift around a bit.

Then you have to consider the star gospel.


there we go. now if the zeitgeist guy and about a hundred thousand other critics that bring that up, would've just talked to you first, it wouldn't be in zeitgeist as evidence that he didn't exist. i mean, what other man on earth has had so many people trying to prove he didn't exist. it's like the old pharaohs trick of thinking if they erased the former pharaoh's names from his monuments, he somehow no longer existed. lol

wrong-o.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Christmas on December 25th. Christmas is not in the bible. To call this evidence the bible is false, is ludicrous. To defend it as the legitimate date of Christ's birth, is also ludicrous.


This is more a mistranslation than falsehood. Falsehoods are outright lies. Jesus was concieved around the 25th of Kislev (December in the year he was born) in which the year he was born Chanakuh fell on the 20th-28th. If you count forward 9 months for the typical human gestation period he is born during Tishrei near Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) which is around the end of september the beginning of october. There are 13 months in the hebrew calendar versus the 12 month solar standard calendar everyone else uses. Because the hebrew calendar is 13 months long and not 12 months, the hebrew months shift around a bit.

Then you have to consider the star gospel.


there we go. now if the zeitgeist guy and about a hundred thousand other critics that bring that up, would've just talked to you first, it wouldn't be in zeitgeist as evidence that he didn't exist. i mean, what other man on earth has had so many people trying to prove he didn't exist. it's like the old pharaohs trick of thinking if they erased the former pharaoh's names from his monuments, he somehow no longer existed. lol

wrong-o.
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They just say those things because they are anti-christ and they do not do proper research. Any Messianic Rabbi could have told them what i just posted. Alot of those people foolishly assume the hebrew calendar runs on the same one as we do which is wrong. In our calendar the year is 2012, while in the hebrew calendar the year is 5775. In essence they have the wisdom of fools, which just makes them fools.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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oh i don't think it's that cut and dry. there's more to it than "foolishness." but then you probably should know that i think when jesus referred to himself as the alpha and the omega, he wasn't just talking about the greek letters.

he was calling himself the first pharaoh and the last pharaoh and that there would be no other pharaohs after him, even if they pretended to be the next pharaoh. the last and only pharaoh that would be on earth then or in the future, would be him. oh it's a huge hint, if my research is correct.

masons think nimrod was the first pharaoh. i don't think so, nope not at all and that's where they will probably get tripped up, by thinking nimrod's osiris was resurrecting, they would lose site of the game altogether. i think ancient egypt is older than nimrod and predated the black sea flood. this is a very old hint he's given in revelation, regarding his identity. at least i think so. i noticed he always gave hints about himself in various ways that only a specific culture would understand, and the understanding would be so ancient, that if they did their research, it would confirm he was the real mccoy.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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I read lonewolf's reply explanation and I'm still not convinced that Jesus existed. I could care less what the actual DOB was but is there anything beside the bible, Josephus and Tacitus. For someone who is supposed to be so important you would think that there would be more.

ETA: It isn't that so many are trying to prove that he didn't exist. They are pointing out that the evidence isn't there to prove that he did.

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
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I read lonewolf's reply explanation and I'm still not convinced that Jesus existed. I could care less what the actual DOB was but is there anything beside the bible, Josephus and Tacitus. For someone who is supposed to be so important you would think that there would be more.

ETA: It isn't that so many are trying to prove that he didn't exist. They are pointing out that the evidence isn't there to prove that he did.

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i think the evidence is there to prove he did to the same or greater degree as any other person of note in the last 2000 years, with the exception of people born in our lifetimes that we've personally met or talked to and are sure are not robots. lol



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Originally posted by undo
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oh i don't think it's that cut and dry. there's more to it than "foolishness." but then you probably should know that i think when jesus referred to himself as the alpha and the omega, he wasn't just talking about the greek letters.

he was calling himself the first pharaoh and the last pharaoh and that there would be no other pharaohs after him, even if they pretended to be the next pharaoh. the last and only pharaoh that would be on earth then or in the future, would be him. oh it's a huge hint, if my research is correct.

masons think nimrod was the first pharaoh. i don't think so, nope not at all and that's where they will probably get tripped up, by thinking nimrod's osiris was resurrecting, they would lose site of the game altogether. i think ancient egypt is older than nimrod and predated the black sea flood. this is a very old hint he's given in revelation, regarding his identity. at least i think so. i noticed he always gave hints about himself in various ways that only a specific culture would understand, and the understanding would be so ancient, that if they did their research, it would confirm he was the real mccoy.


Actually he was claiming to be the Living God "I AM", he didn't come right out and say it because he wanted his Holy Spirit (the Father) to reveal it to the people and he dropped 99 hints in the new testament alone and many more in the old testament. Read the Book of Isaiah.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Conversely, atheists and other people who have been taught that papal writs equal what the bible actually says, are often quite irate when you show them the papal writ was not in the bible.


As an atheist, I must ask...why would I care about Papal writs or the Bible? It's all pointless and divisive garbage. I don't see what you're getting at with this statement.





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