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Originally posted by Engafan
1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
That's what I meant to say, and realize I wasn't clear.
Are you serious? lol people back then didn't know where babies come from? That has to be a joke right? Or do you mean Sperm fertilizing the egg part? I'm pretty sure they figured it had something to do with a man and a woman. Maybe not scientifically but they had an IDEA.edit on 27-1-2012 by Engafan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Engafan
But you see it is the inconsistencies that drove me away. If the bible was the divinely inspired WORD of god there would be no inconsistencies.
So I looked (Googled them I won't lie) for passages that do say Joseph was Jesus' father, Acts 2:30; Acts 13:30; Romans 1:3; 2 Timothy 2:8; Hebrews 2:16; Revelations 22:16.
And for god/the holy spirit being the father, Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:31-35.
I'm sure some bibles differ in wording. But for the word of god to be so misinterpreted by his prophets is just insane. Either he is a man or god. There are more passages that Jesus was just a man and nothing more. While only 2 that I found to show he was divinely conceived.
This is was a problem for the Early church as well, but I guess having a normal man as you figure head wasn't enough, so the popular vote won and they made Jesus a god in the flesh.
As for Jesus NOT being the messiah; Prophecies: Ezekiel 37:26-28, Messiah to build the 3rd Temple, Isaiah 43:5-6 he was to gather all the Jews back to the land of Israel, Isaiah 2:4 to usher in world peace, Zechariah 14:9 spread the word of God to unite all of mankind.
Embodiment of the Personal qualifications of the Messiah
Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2; Was to be a greater prophet than Moses, he spoke with god face to face. Jesus the God or the man you have to consider which he is at this point. Man or God according to the bible, as the verses above show, like you said, Joseph being the father in some cases while god being the father in others.
Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24: Must be a descendant of David, Now if you say God is the father and he is the result of a Virgin birth, he cannot be from the line of David.
Deut. 13:1-4 He was to lead all the people to full Torah observance, anyone trying to change the Torah is deemed as a false prophet.
Alma = young woman, and not Virgin
Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Numbers 1:18; Ezra 2:59.
So these were some of the reasons I had left the church at 13 or 14. All my priest could say was to have faith... that's like having faith in a wet paper towel holding back a stampede.
You may want to research Christianity if you do not realize they believe Jesus is God.
Regarding Jesus contradicting the Torah,I am thinking what if Jesus's G-d is different from the OT's G-d??That is why he does not really follow parts of the previous abrahamic religions????(Gnosticism)
. . . if Jesus never said that he is G-d ,then why believe it in the first place?