Does Zero Exist?

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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:03 PM
And 1 will never equal 0 unless you use imaginary numbers. And this is why I hate math...because if it doesn't work, you just make something up, slap a label on it and insert it. Voila! Complete equation.

You can't do that in construction (the primary use of mathematics), so why do it with theoretical equations?

posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 04:47 PM
0 is nothing and something.
0 imeans nothing exists.
0 exists for man as a starting point of measurement either + or -
If someone offers you half of what they have in their hand or double , and they have nothing .
Who will get more and who will get less ?

posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 01:07 AM
reply to post by Starchild23

Also, a rope that is infinitely long has no tension in it, which means the knot will stay precisely as it is, indefinitely

No it wont.

A rope that is infinitely long has no tension that is right. It is neutral. But the knot is not neutral, it is compressed. The knot is compressed energy. It has tension.

So you have two different states. One neutral and one compressed. The compressed state will always try to become neutral by expansion.

Heat will always expand. Never retract or stay neutral.

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posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 06:50 AM
Nothing exists as such.
Suchness, isness is all.
All is fleeting.

Only you are eternal.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:00 PM
Never mind math!!! Take a 1 inch piece of string and cut it in half, keep one piece and cut it in half again, and again, and again, and keep on cutting it in half, eventually you're going to get into particle world but don't worry about that because you're just going to keep cutting those in half, then you're going to get so small we haven't discovered it yet but have no fear just keep cutting in half and when you eventually get to nothing it will only mean you've lost the ability to track it. It's still there, it has to be otherwise you'd have nothing...And that's not a possibility!

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:32 PM
reply to post by IrnBruFiend

zero, as a 'number', is a concept representing total absence. It is not a number. It is a concept.

You don't count zero. You ignore zero. It is nonexistant.

It is the paradox behind me saying "Nothing cannot exist". Because to exist you are something. And therefore no longer zero.

If you really meditate on this, you can discover that the birth of consciousness is the progression from zero to 1. Once you realize you exist, you have consciousness, so to speak.
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:17 PM
I think a deeper question is whether or not numbers actually "exist." That was placed in quotations for a reason. The concept of existence can mean either existing in the objective world or within the subjective. If we are dealing with objective realities, I'd say numbers don't exist at all. Rather, it could be said that numbers are subjective descriptions we create in order to categorize objective phenomenon.

What I mean by subjective is not that each individual has an opinion or feeling, but that the semantics represent an internal categorization with a function of understanding or utilizing objective phenomenon.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:26 PM
Great! Another thread about zero. The mental masturbation is strong in this one -- might as well throw you all some curve balls to spice up the fun. What does zero mean? What does exist mean?

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:47 PM
So many people in here are using asymptotic calculations (eg.. endless cutting things in half) to answer the original op question of whether Zero exists or not. They have nothing to do with what Zero is, or is not. Zero simply means the absence of anything. Hold an apple in one hand, and no apple in the other, then you can say you have Zero apples in that hand, but that hand is not empty. Zero is not a number, it is a concept, and is actually an impossible goal.

Just recently, we had the 5 sigma result from the Hadron Collider. A further proof that there is no such thing as ZERO as a quantity, because even in what we call nothing, a total vacuum (which is also impossible) there is always something... a Higgs field, filled with particles called the Higgs Boson, which gives mass to everything other than an electron that passes through it.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:37 PM
reply to post by IrnBruFiend

Yes but it's hiding between 1 and -1
like a no sided bullseye point inside opposing points

posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 06:27 PM
Mathematical 0 has various interpretations.

1) Place holder. E.g. in the number 1000 the zero's just mean this column is empty.
2) Number. E.g. 1-1=0. Could mean if you have one thing in a box and take it out then you get an empty box.
3) Nothingness. E.g. 1-1=0. Could mean if you destroy the one thing then you have nothingness in its place.
4) Limit. 0 is the limit as n gets larger and larger in 1/n.
5) Line. 0 is equidistant between -1 and 1 on the number line.

1) and 2) seem ok but 3) not so because nothingness appears undefinable.

If you could define nothingness then it would be something and not nothingness. Corollary: something must always exist physically since nothingness is impossible.

4) is not ok because you can never get to 0. So 0 as a limit is undefined. If it could be reached it would be nothingness so the same as case 3.

5) First you have to define -1 which seems a problem. It has no meaning in the physical world. Antiparticles do not anihilate to nothingness on meeting they produce energy. Also, since 0 in this case can be approached by 1/n like case 4, then if it was definable here it would be nothingness again so the same as case 3.

So it looks like 0 exists only in interpretations 1) and 2) where it is just a marker for an empty space or an empty column. Please note that an empty space allows movement and so is not nothingness.
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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 07:26 PM
reply to post by IrnBruFiend

Zero and infinity are abstract concepts. More artistic in nature than mathematical... That means the language used to define science, mathematics is sandwiched between two non definable concepts.. Not a very good foundation and cap stone..

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