The Hatred for America, have at it ATS

reply to post by WeRpeons

There's a candidate by the name of Ron Paul that wants to stop all this,

People thought that about Obama as well.

Originally posted by LongbottomLeaf
reply to post by Observor

 

Nice weak response, doesn't change the fact that this is an American own and run website so you can get bent till you have your own NON American website.

FYI.....
To the best of my knowledge ATS was founded by Simon Gray ......... a British citizen.

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With that said - I think a massive part of ATS` appeal is its international membership.

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There is no need to bring that divisive nonsense on these boards.

Originally posted by Observor
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Did the NWO hold guns to Americans' heads to make them vote for George W Bush in 2004? Does the NWO hold guns to the heads of the psychopaths on here calling for bombing of Iran?........

Oh come off of it.

Do you honestly think all in the USA think that way?

Not sure where your from, but here in the USA we are capable of independent thought.
So there is one psycho in the group, that does not make us all psycho.

People in your country should consider adopting the idea of independent thought.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by UkRandom

 

There are a totalitarian technocracy hell bent on total control and the implementation of a one world goverment.

edit on 21-1-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

I think like you do, but I don't see a one world government as a bad thing. One of the first steps to solving humanities major issues is eradicating all imaginary borders. We need one global language, so that nobody can be misinterpreted or unheard. And we need one set of laws that every person will follow. It's true that if humankind stands united it can get over it's petty self-induced problems.

Wow. The dark side is strong in this one!

Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by angeldoll
reply to post by Observor

 

No, we don't. That is again what Americans steeped in their own self-importance think. We blame you only for your unwelcome actions vis-a-vis other countries and there are plenty of them. The rest we blame where the blame belongs.

Whew. Of course I don't think you hate us, I mean, how could you? We are so perfect in every way.
Next to you, of course.

Geez! Let me make it very simple for you.

Of course, I hate America and by implication Americans (I don't find it meaningful to separate the two). Please don't think otherwise. I have a morbid hatred for psychopaths and that is exactly what I find Americans to be. That Americans are deluded self-important guys only makes them even less tolerable.

Hope that clears it.

Are you serious?

You do realize Americans come from every nation on the planet?
Yes?

Anyway, I recently found out America isn't really run by American's any longer, some scary stuff,

I do not hate the USA, rather the poLIEticians, as in other countries the poLIEticians are the most hated individuals, well them and lawyers.

I've only met a few US citizens ,and I had no problems with them. I know the Americans have it in their right( correct me if I'm wrong) to replace the Government by force, if it seems to be going against the people. Will they enact this right, hard to say, harder to do. It is treason after all.

I think the reason people dislike the US is due to their foreign relations.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Yes but...

Obama promised change. He has delivered. I reach into to my pocket I now feel two things. Mostly my leg and a tiny amount of change.

Two dimes a nickle and three pennies..........

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by sonnny1

 

I'm not sure when it became "American" to bully other countries and then declare war on them when they are disgruntled, declaring that "We" are spreading democracy as We set up puppet governments...

Up until WWII, We were all for leaving the rest of the world alone (mostly).

So... Yeah, I guess "protecting" Ourselves from the enemies We made is "American."

I dont know about that. The threat of Communism was real,and still is today,in America.
I think America from the 40's till now has helped humankind,in ways its detractors either fail to realize,or never claim at all.

Really? Communism, an economic system, is a threat? Why? (Democratic communism IS possible...) And sure, We send aid (while People like Me are homeless in this country), but most of it is eaten in administration...

The American Government is at an all time low,in how Americans approve of its performance.Surly that means the people here understand change needs to arise,but doesn't make the US this killing machine most want to make it into.

Um... I think it is because of false flags like 9/11 "justifying" war (to the profit of the war suppliers and "infrastructure rebuilders" - while People like Me can't find jobs and are now homeless), that We are disgruntled in the first place. When many report that We are not in these countries to help, but to secure oil pipelines...

No. If We had minded Our own business, I think We would have more respect for Our government.

Many criticize what the American Government does on the web (another ingenious piece of technology created in America) daily. From those in America,to the other nations who are actively waiting and wanting its downfall.

Whether or not "America" created the web initially, few except those We have stomped on are "actively waiting and wanting its downfall." The Ones who most want its downfall are Those intent on building a "New World Order." Virtually all who speak out against what the government is doing (NDAA, "Patriot" Act, "preemptive" attacking, etc.) want this country to SUCCEED. Succeed in rousting out the money-driven interests that now define the government. Succeed in returning to the vision of the founding Humans. Succeed in peaceful coexistence.

The problem is if America left the World alone,we would undoubtedly be called back at some point to help bail out the World,due to yet another tyrant,hellbent on claiming all the World as his own. The World has gotten smaller in a sense. MHO.

I see no issue in giving help - WHEN IT'S ASKED FOR. But when We are deceived - "weapons of mass destruction," 9/11, etc. - and money drives Our policies... We need a change. A very BIG change, back to what We were supposed to be.

Just my take in it.

Thanks for responding.

We are all welcome to Our own takes. [smile]

Thank You.

BTW,love the tag.......

"If the Universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can we use it to run our cars?"

The government hides free energy... I know for sure. (I would link to My threads but I have reasons not to - do a search for "electrogravitics Amaterasu" to find them.) If We had free energy We would end poverty, hunger, war, and...the power over Us the power elite maintain. You think They have motivation to hide and suppress it...?

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by Observor
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Did the NWO hold guns to Americans' heads to make them vote for George W Bush in 2004? Does the NWO hold guns to the heads of the psychopaths on here calling for bombing of Iran?........

Oh come off of it.

Do you honestly think all in the USA think that way?

Not sure where your from, but here in the USA we are capable of independent thought.
So there is one psycho in the group, that does not make us all psycho.

I am talking about Americans reelecting a proven lying psychopath, George W Bush, back to power in 2004. I don't believe anyone other than a psychopath would have voted for him in 2004.

People in your country should consider adopting the idea of independent thought.

Yeah, right. We need to learn that from Americans!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Yes but...

Obama promised change. He has delivered. I reach into to my pocket I now feel two things. Mostly my leg and a tiny amount of change.

Two dimes a nickle and three pennies..........

Gotcha, so your pay check went down as well this month?

What a shocker, my husband gets a raise and with in a few short months he now makes less than before, his raise.

reply to post by bluemooone2

Awesome dude!

Alice Cooper rocks!

GO USA!

America's problem is that it cannot/does not at adhere to the constitution laid out by its founders. This needs to be fixed and fast. Come on Americans nearly all of you got a gun, 86 these corrupt bastards and win back the freedom that you deserve!!! Then come help us poor sods in the UK coz all we have is big knives and maybe a few petrol bombs to fight with.

Originally posted by andy06shake
America's problem is that it cannot/does not at adhere to the constitution laid out by its founders. This needs to be fixed and fast. Come on Americans nearly all of you got a gun, 86 these corrupt bastards and win back the freedom that you deserve!!! Then come help us poor sods in the UK coz all we have is big knives and maybe a few petrol bombs to fight with.

It's only going to get worse, Andy.

And there is no where left to run, and no where left to hide.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Are you serious?

I am.

You do realize Americans come from every nation on the planet?
Yes?

Sure. I never said psychopaths are limited to any specific race or geography. But when there is a nation full of psychopaths, I suppose psychopaths from other areas gravitate to it.

Anyway, I recently found out America isn't really run by American's any longer, some scary stuff,

Interesting. Exactly when did Americans stop running their country?

Originally posted by The Sword
So, it's ok when American Christians suggest bombing the living # out of countries ......

No the holy wars are wrong. Do you realize not everyone in the USA is a warmongering christian?

reply to post by Observor

Sure. I never said psychopaths are limited to any specific race or geography. But when there is a nation full of psychopaths, I suppose psychopaths from other areas gravitate to it.

You know you kinda lose credibility when you say stuff like this,

But yea, there is some creepy stuff going on inside of our state, it has been handed over so to speak,

Originally posted by andy06shake
America's problem is that it cannot/does not at adhere to the constitution laid out by its founders. This needs to be fixed and fast. Come on Americans nearly all of you got a gun, 86 these corrupt bastards and win back the freedom that you deserve!!! Then come help us poor sods in the UK coz all we have is big knives and maybe a few petrol bombs to fight with.

I do own a matte black AK47 but my pacifism restrains me. Negative actions bring negative results. Only love can conquer hate. A peaceful revolution, millions of people directly marching on the streets of washington d.c. would be much more beneficial than getting into a war with the u.s. military.

Hating a person or a nation, based on a generalisation applied to thier race, colour, creed, or faith is an outrageous and terrible thing to do. However, it is legitimate to be very angry at the behaviour of individuals, companies, organisations, and governments, which appears to support the generalisations that people apply falsely to the entire nation.

The same can be said of Britain in this regard. The British people, and the nation as a whole, are not Imperialist, soft handed, workshy, fat cats with enourmous bank balances and access to the finest education, housing, vehicles and luxuries such as fine tailored clothing, caviar on tap and so on. This does not prevent people outside this nation having entirely the wrong attitude towards the people of this nation as a whole. However, there ARE those within our society, mostly those in the so called political class, who present that face to the world, in an utterly unacceptable parody of the way of British life, one which its average citizens find as horrific, if not more so, than do those outside our nation.

The fact is that many people, when moved to anger about a political situation with regard to a given topic, could be forgiven for being too easily misdirected in thier anger. When people say " I hate America" they do not mean that they hate every Walmart employee, parking attendant, town planner, farmer, sherrif and soccer "mom" in the damned place. What they are saying is that they hate what the specific organisation, societal structure, or political lobby machine they are having an issue with, and what the behaviour of that organ within the nation does, and how its actions affect the world.

For instance, I hate the fact that American cities had sprawling tent shanty towns spring up all over the place over the last few years, as a direct result of the utter buffoonery of people who were so ridiculously wealthy that the banking collapse has barely touched them. I hate the fact that some people in America think that ones right to healthcare ought to be dependant on thier ability to pay for it, as if the life of a home making mother is worth less than the life of a career woman, purely based on the amount of GDP they account for. I hate the fact that socialism is looked down on in the USA, purely because of propegandism, when the only thing that is wrong with it as an ideal, is exactly the same as what is wrong with capitalism, that being greed. I hate the fact that, like my own nation, the emphasis in the states is on equal oppertunities, and not equal outcomes.

But I do not hate America, any more than I hate my own nation, or any other. However, there is another point to be made.
As with any scenario which involves a debate, some people cannot understand the difference between an attack on a mind set, and an attack on a nation. An attack on a mindset is legitimate, as long as it is not spurious. For example, its fair to say that xenophobia is one of the fore runners for potential cause of the end of human existance, and is responsible for holding the human race back by hundreds of years of potential progress.
It is not however fair to say that xenophobia is single handedly responsible for world hunger, and the deaths of several thousand gophers, crows, worms, and dolphins.

When someone makes a debate based attack on a mindset, like for instance, the horrific veiwpoint shared by SOME people in the states, that healthcare is for the monied few who can genuinely afford it without bankrupting themselves, a person responding against that can either take that on the chin, and accept that in actual fact, it IS a little callous to think that way about a human life, or they can play the racism card, and say that an attack on pay per pill health insurance is an attack on America itself, which makes the perfectly reasonable proposition, i.e. that health care ought to be a right and not a bauble held only by the rich, seem to be a bit of vile propeganda spouted by hate preachers, when in fact it is an appeal to decency and respect for human life.

It is not so black and white as "people hatin on my country even though its like, SOOO awesome, stars and stripes for ever baby!". I personally have no ill feeling toward the place, or its many and various inhabitants. I do hate inequality, racism, unfairness, and a lack of decency, and I will rile against those no matter wether they happen here in Britan, across the pond in the US of A, or out in the middle of the Nile delta. Crap is crap no matter where it happens. I cannot help it however, if people see fit to twist my angst against the ills of mankind, into some racist attack on thier precious way of life, despite my hatred of such behaviour. I would imagine that I am not the only person who has been deliberately misunderstood in order that a detractor can paint a swastika on my words to avoid answering a legitimate point.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by The Sword
So, it's ok when American Christians suggest bombing the living # out of countries ......

No the holy wars are wrong. Do you realize not everyone in the USA is a warmongering christian?

You do realize every Christian is not warmonger-er.

Originally posted by Observor
Of course, I hate America and by implication Americans (I don't find it meaningful to separate the two). Please don't think otherwise. I have a morbid hatred for psychopaths and that is exactly what I find Americans to be. That Americans are deluded self-important guys only makes them even less tolerable.

Hope that clears it.

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