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Judge Denies Obama Motion To Quash Subpoena

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Magnificient
 


In regards to the Kenyan story......

1. Either it's a big con job

2. the child in question back then is not the same as that of the President but with similar characteristics?

I'm betting all these birth certificate hunters have got it wrong and are looking in the wrong place. I might be wrong but I have this gut feeling this Obama was born on the mainland of the USA (not Hawaii) and his biological parents are not who the Americans think they are.


This has always been my gut feeling on this as well. What is so stupid is if he is the son of the one I THINK he is, he really would be an AMerican citizen, so why didn't he just go with that story to begin with?




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup
Hmmmm


I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm pretty sure this person will get laughed out of court.... but we'll see I guess.


In the meantime, I am just glad to see at least ONE judge in this country with some real courage to allow it go forward.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Nana2
try to do little celebratory things like newspaper announcements for your friends and family to see.


Except that the announcement came from the hospital itself.... but you ignore that!

thinkprogress.org...


Yet, as Crowley pointed out, the birth information printed in the Honolulu Advertiser always came directly from the state health department (via the local hospital), not Obama’s grandparents or relatives.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Nana2
What is so stupid is if he is the son of the one I THINK he is, he really would be an AMerican citizen, so why didn't he just go with that story to begin with?


No, what is stupid is the silly conspiracy theories that some people make up.

And he really is a naturally born American citizen



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Nana2
What is so stupid is if he is the son of the one I THINK he is, he really would be an AMerican citizen, so why didn't he just go with that story to begin with?


No, what is stupid is the silly conspiracy theories that some people make up.

And he really is a naturally born American citizen


well dear, all the American people are asking for is PROOF of that fact, where is it?????



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:05 AM
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Well January 26th is only 5 days away, so this will be resolved with in a week, but all the personal attacks on here against each other are not going to make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of this trial, by the end on next week (unless a motion to delay is used) there will be an answer to this question.

At that time either the "birthers" or those that believe the president is genuine will have their answer and will begin their gloating and their "I told you so" comments.

Does this legal action warrant being heard? I believe so, the PDF release of his birth certificate was manipulated prior to release be person or persons unknown, this much is at least clear to me (I have worked with scanned documents and files for a long time) what is most surprising is the amateurish way it was done.

Its not about race or colour for the majority (although there is an element of racism within a minority of the "birther" movement) If he is genuine and eligible, I can find no logical reason why he hid all his documentation, when his opponents aired their views against him, it would of been very easy to release those files, prove who he was and totally discredited his accusers, effectively ruining their political careers and ensuring they were never taken seriously again, a major win for him, yet he refused to do so.

Those supporting Obama should also welcome the full release of his documents and credentials, as it justified their support of him, I wonder why they don't want those documents released? Fear perhaps?

I am very surprised to see the judge go against Obama and his legal team, but then maybe the judge is a "birther" himself, and if he is the Obama has a lot of problems



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
I can find no logical reason why he hid all his documentation,


Exactly what documentation did he hide?


it would of been very easy to release those files, prove who he was and totally discredited his accusers,


he did that when he released his certified birth certificate.... but that did not stop the silly conspiracy theories as it is not about any document Obama releases!
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 05:30 AM
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Guess this guy will quit in shame if she wins.




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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If it goes against him, there will probably be quite a few of those.

Maybe even a few prosecuted for fraud.

Didn't the head honcho at Hawaii DOH quit right after he got in?

Have to look that up.

Source here


Who are the suspect people in Hawai’i who would go to great lengths to produce such a blatant forgery and conspire to defraud the American people. Let’s look at the players in Hawai’i and consider the stakes:

Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. State Registrar and Chief of the Office of Health Status Monitoring of the Hawaii May 15, 2001 stopped issuance of copies of long form BC’s.

Chiyome Fukino, Former Dir. HI Dept of Health. The only person to claim she saw Obama’s actual BC in a bound book in a vault at the DOH.
Joshua Wisch, Spokesman for HI AG Office. Former chair of Howard Dean Presidential campaign in Hawai’i. Howard Dean, Former chairman DNC.

Brian E. Schatz, Former chairman Hawai’i DNC now Lt. Gov.

Neil Abercrombie, Former US Rep from Hi left his post early to campaign in HI for Gov. Abercrombie is also on record saying he could not find a birth certificate for Obama as he promised to do upon becoming gov.. ###

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Another interesting link


But we CANNOT rest now and hope the Georgia case is permitted to hear REAL evidence, and settles all large questions in this murky mess of Obama's eligibility for office. Even if Obama is ultimately kept off Georgia's presidential ballot, Obama will only lose 16 electoral votes. While this is an important precedent, and not an insignificant number, we must fight to ensure that many other states follow Georgia's lead.

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Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp's office is pursuing FIVE separate ineligibility complaints filed by Georgia residents. Each complaint argues that Barack Hussein Obama II is ineligible to appear on the 2012 Georgia Presidential ballot. Secretary Kemp has assigned 5 different hearings under five different judges, so that the complaints can move forward.

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But this is where the argument totally falls apart, because the Hawaii Democratic Party actually ignored their protocols in 2008 in order to specifically NOT certify Obama’s eligibility as they had done for candidates in the past. IOW, if Pelosi based her decision to certify on whether the state party would confirm eligibility, then she had a duty to NOT certify Obama’s eligibility, because the democratic party of the state supposedly holding Obama’s birth certificate REFUSED TO CERTIFY Obama’s eligibility."
Source: butterdezillion.wordpress.com...

What did the State Democratic Party officials in Hawaii know about Obama and his now hidden and sealed 1961 original typed long form birth registration documents in Hawaii, and subsequent amendments to same, which would cause them to change their normal certification of nomination procedures for presidential candidates?

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WTF? See link below for source


Different text in 2008

in 2000
“legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution”

in 2004
“legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution”

in 2008
“legally qualified to serve under the provisions of National Democratic Partys Balloting at the Presidential Preference Poll and Caucus held on Feb 19th, 2008 and by acclamation at the National Democratic Convention held Aug 27, 2008 in Denver Colorado”


Hawiian nomination docs for 2000, 2004 and 2008, one of these things, is not like the other...
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by NeoVain
Guess this guy will quit in shame if she wins.



This guy is a huge A - Hole. She was in the process of explaining to this guy all the hows and why's of the birth certificate. She could not just say yes or no without backing up her view with "facts". So she was going to paint him a picture leading up to the BC. This guy didn't give her a fair chance to do that and make himself look like a huge dildo in the process.

No matter if she is right or wrong, he should have let her answer. This guy should be blackballed from doing any kind of news ever again.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
I can find no logical reason why he hid all his documentation,


Exactly what documentation did he hide?


it would of been very easy to release those files, prove who he was and totally discredited his accusers,


he did that when he released his certified birth certificate.... but that did not stop the silly conspiracy theories as it is not about any document Obama releases!
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you mean the one that has been proven to be a fake?
wwwhttp...://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/.youtube.com/watch?v=m2L5a_KS6iw
weeklyworldnews.com...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Nana2
you mean the one that has been proven to be a fake?


Just how is a PDF a fake?

What is it, a mp3 file renamed to pdf?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Nana2
try to do little celebratory things like newspaper announcements for your friends and family to see.


Except that the announcement came from the hospital itself.... but you ignore that!

thinkprogress.org...


Yet, as Crowley pointed out, the birth information printed in the Honolulu Advertiser always came directly from the state health department (via the local hospital), not Obama’s grandparents or relatives.


Sorry, the fact that (via the local hospital) is in parentheses only confirms that this article couldn't back up that claim.


“The birth announcements were printed from unconfirmed information provided to the Newspapers by the Department of Health who received the information from Obama's grandparents, not a hospital," says Crosby in a phone call from Oahu.


thedailypen.blogspot.com...

The fact that you even have to ask, "what documents?" only goes to show that you have no idea what the President has or has not released. There's plenty of info on it. Look it up.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:02 AM
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www.orlytaitzesq.com...

It has been 3 years of 24/7/365 fight. I was defamed, viciously maligned by so many Obots (Obama bots), pro-Obama media thugs, by a few corrupt officials and judges..


Yep ... O-bots tend to do that. If you state facts against their glorious leader, it strikes a nerve and they lash out with insinuations of racism etc etc etc.

It would be nice for this to go through the court system and to have it done ... one way or the other. But considering the professionally made fake birth certificate that recently came out of the white house, I'm thinking that TPTB have got all their ducks in a row to cover for their lil' puppet-man.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by spoor


Yet another birther lie - she refused to comment on the birth certificate, she wanted to tell her lies about Obama's SSN

Just what do you think a SSN has to do with a birth certificate?

did you even watch the video?
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Who you calling a birther? I'd watch myself buddy if I were you. Name calling is not wise. You could get into a lot of trouble that way. Yes, I watched the video. I know where she was going with this. Obviously you know nothing about this line of tact. Instead of answering your question, I'll let you do the research for yourself (because I know you won't) and find what the SSN has to do with the BC according to Her. She was trying to answer the question, not sidestepping it.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
The fact that you even have to ask, "what documents?" only goes to show that you have no idea what the President has or has not released.


Where are the same records released by all previous presidents? None of them released any more than Obama, so why demand the first black President release theirs....



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