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Our King has spoken. Look out for rising Health premiums before August!

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Health plans ordered to cover birth control without co-pays


Most healthcare plans will be required to cover birth control without charging co-pays or deductibles starting Aug. 1, the Obama administration announced Friday.


Okay, I see the benefits of Birth Control..I really do...but with no Co-Pay invites abuse and raping of the system which supplies a product. Whatever that product may be. In this case, it's not just Condoms...and these things aren't free to the people supplying it.


Churches, synagogues and other houses of worship are exempt from the requirement, but religious-affiliated hospitals and universities only get a one-year delay and must comply by Aug. 1, 2013.


Religious freedom....only as far as Uncle deems you are permitted to have it. I suppose that means places like St John's will be forced to provide a product or service they are morally opposed to on the basic levels.


"What war and disease could not do to the congregation, the government of the United States will do," Nashville's Dominican congregation said. "It will shut them down."
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This isn't meant to be a thread focusing on the religious side of this insanity out of Washington. I mean to highlight the situation that brings another decree from 'On-High" ordering something to be provided free of charge by organizations that have serious opposition to even handling that 'something'. The Faith based hospitals will show the most extreme case of being forced to Obey the Federal Government, or else.....but it's only one of many I am sure.

When did Uncle Obama become everything, at every level in every life? I thought we elected a President, not a King.

edit on 20-1-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: Sources added into text




posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Don't you worry your pointy little head. The Republicans will get back into the Whitehouse next year and everything will be skittles and rainbows. Insurance premiums will go down, unemployment will drop, taxes will go down, gas prices will fall... everything will be great. Just need to get those damned Dems out. That's what's wrong with this country.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Off with his head, ahh the good ole days, when Kings were dethroned more easily. This is BS what is not rising these day....not much, oh yea employment. S+F
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by jtma508 Just need to get those damned Dems out. That's what's wrong with this country.

Include the vast majority of Republicans along with those 'Damned Dems' and we're in 100% agreement. I'm not an idealogue, I'm an American. Parties are for Birthdays and Graduations. I want leaders, and thus far, we have a man who desperately wants to be a dictator.

Yes... We DO need to get this man out of the White House with all haste. We need our nation back and another George Bush is *NOT* the answer...that just makes for a different form of the same serious problem.

Sorry if you took this thread to be entirely political..it isn't. Obama isn't democrat any more than Bush was republican. I'm not sure quite what describes the bastardization Bush gave us...but Obama's is Marxism with his own special sauce poured into the mix.

THIS issue..The Birth Control though...THAT is a 1st Amendment issue of Religious Freedom and basic ability to run a business or service WITHOUT Orders and Decrees from Washington, in equal measure for concern.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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If Republicans want to make abortion illegal, can't they agree that PREVENTION is the very best way to avoid abortion in the first place???

I am 100% for this! It's about time we got religion out of our health insurance! And I'm willing to pay a little more to bring down the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies in this country!

Obama is campaigning. And doing a good job, IMO.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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surely reducing accidental pregnancies is a good idea and the cost of a pack of pills per month will probably boost the economy since couples will go out and enjoy nights out rather than stay in looking after the little ones etc and theres less pressure on child services etc leading to less public sector jobs in that area meaning less taxes etc and also smaller class sizes will put less pressure on state budgets further reducing taxes = everyones a winner



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Okay, I see the benefits of Birth Control..I really do...but with no Co-Pay invites abuse and raping of the system which supplies a product.


Most health plans have no copay for preventative services, as well as other services and products. There's no system-raping going on.




Preventive care No copay - Includes routine physicals, immunizations, PAP tests, mammograms, and other screening and testing when provided as part of the preventive care visit.


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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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"Free" birth control isn't.

It takes money to make, to hire people to produce, package, ship this "free" goodie.

Obama is using taxpayer money, my tax money to buy himself another 4 years.

I hear a fife and drum in the distance. And it's getting louder.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Obama is a SOCIALIST and he passes NOTHING BUT SOCIALISM. He WILL NOT PASS ANYTHING INTO LAW that DOES NOT PROMOTE THE SOCIALIST PARTY PLATFORM.

socialistparty-usa.org...

We demand full support for every woman's right to choose when, if, and how to have children, including the right to free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy, without interference or coercion. Clinics providing abortion services must have the full protection of the law.
We call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment and all other legislation that limits access to abortion services, thus denying "the right to choose" to millions of women, particularly low-income women, women of color, and young women. We demand full reproductive freedom for all women by removing all discriminating barriers to reproductive rights and reproductive health care.
We call for the banning of all involuntary sterilizations. We oppose the performing of any medical research or medical procedure without a woman's full knowledge and consent.
We demand that local governments place a priority on preventing violence toward women, with coordinated programs to educate, provide shelter for women and children, and vigorously protect women from their abusers.
We call for the decriminalization of prostitution and demand that sex workers, just like all women workers, are guaranteed a full range of health, social, and legal services; and working conditions free from harassment, violence, and exploitation
We call for 16 months paid leave to be shared by new parents or in its entirety by a single parent, and the expansion and full-funding of high-quality child care facilities.
We support comprehensive educational and training opportunities, comparable worth laws, and affirmative action for women. We believe that women should be able to enter any occupation they choose, without hindrance.
We believe that women should be free to improve their working lives through unions and other organizations, and that work at home, including child care, should be shared to enable women to fully participate in society.
We call for organizational structure based on mutual consideration and respect, rotating leadership, gender balance, and processes that welcome and enable open and equitable participation in discussion and decision-making.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


"Free" birth control isn't.

It takes money to make, to hire people to produce, package, ship this "free" goodie.

Obama is using taxpayer money, my tax money to buy himself another 4 years.

I hear a fife and drum in the distance. And it's getting louder.


the cost of the pill etc is offset by the fact that if she did get preggers and decided to dump the child on the state you'd be having to pay for it out of your taxes for 18 years so probably the 1cent a year it would cost you overall is not bad value for money compared to the support costs



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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This birth control isn't free...it's part of the services you recieve with paying your insurance premiums.

What's that you say...you don't use birth control...great...but I don't use all the medical services you use either so we will call it even.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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This birth control isn't free...it's part of the services you recieve with paying your insurance premiums.


I don't give a damn what you do as long as it does not affect me or my family.



What's that you say...you don't use birth control...great...but I don't use all the medical services you use either so we will call it even.


NO



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Maxatoria

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


"Free" birth control isn't.

It takes money to make, to hire people to produce, package, ship this "free" goodie.

Obama is using taxpayer money, my tax money to buy himself another 4 years.

I hear a fife and drum in the distance. And it's getting louder.


the cost of the pill etc is offset by the fact that if she did get preggers and decided to dump the child on the state you'd be having to pay for it out of your taxes for 18 years so probably the 1cent a year it would cost you overall is not bad value for money compared to the support costs

The cost offset in case she gets "preggers"?

How about not spending MY money on HIS campaign!



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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ahemm.....
someone correct me if I am wrong, but, if I don't have the insurance, I don't get the free pills, right....

well, that just isn't fare, wonder why that is???

oh!!! I know, because they can't expect the pharmacies to give away free drugs and stay in business!!!

so, let's stop acting like the poor improvished hospitals and doctors are gonna be giving away freebies!!! they are not!!

heath insurance though, it's another story.
mines gives me free cancer screenings, free yearly health exams, ect.....it's called preventive care. quite frankly, it probably saves them a little money to do this if these freebies can catch a serious problem before it becomes that serious!!! and well, it seems to me that it would be a little cheaper to give a women the pills than it would to pay for the prenatal care and delivery of a baby also!!!

so, well, wonder why they don't do it on their own...
oh, ya, "freedom of religion" only means that the gov't can't keep the religous from driving us nuts, not that we can be free from the insanities that these religious people have ingrained into our society.....



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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so.....I guess you are really disturbed with me that I had that colonoscopy done a couple of years ago.....
it was preventive care and I didn't have to pay a cent, my insurance company paid......

NOT YOU!!!



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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No, I think thats great actually.

...and before the healthcare passed I had to go in for surgery and didn't have any insurance and I only had to pay a small copay.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
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so.....I guess you are really disturbed with me that I had that colonoscopy done a couple of years ago.....
it was preventive care and I didn't have to pay a cent, my insurance company paid......

NOT YOU!!!



Um, last time I checked birth control was sort of. . . er. . . elective.

Colon cancer isn't.

Glad you're better, but apples and oranges.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Really, religious freedom? You're saying that because a religious hospital, maybe the only medical provider a person can go to but doesn't share that faith's crazy views, because that hospital cannot force their religious view on that person who doesn't share their belief there is no religious freedom?

I believe that is the definition of religious freedom. You can believe the lies you were told, someone else can believe something else, and you still need to fulfill you're role as a medical provider. What else is more free than that?

Derek



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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they've been bugging me for years to go get a mammogram also, I ain't going to, unless a find a reason to...
both are more for preventative purposes, matter of fact, if they had found something in that colonoscopy, well, then it wouldn't have been free!!!

so, you don't have a problem with doctors ordering a bunch of tests needless (in my case, I had a hernia,
I knew it was a hernia, and well, the doctor did also....but on those days at work when my job was more strenuous, I was finding myself crapping blood....I thought it might have been connected to the hernia, since well, it would make sense kind of to me at least, since it was my intestines that was caught in between the tear in my muscle....
so, instead of taking care of the hernia, the doctor figured he rake in a little bit of extra money first and insisted on the test before he would do it....
well, the hernia got fixed and for awhile at least, I stopped crapping blood!!!

but, you have a problem with insurance companies paying for women to have the birth control, which prevents pregnancy, which well, at least for some women, just might cause some severe medical problems....
this somehow is costing you money?????

this makes absolutely no sense to me, unless there's a little bit a bias in you when it comes to women and the medical care that they need but males really don't....
pap smears, mammograms, and birth control!!!
I would tend to guess that it's a bias that is based on religous views....
I'm sorry, but this is the 21st century. we have more people in the world it seems than we can feed... it ain't gonna hurt anything if some of the women escape motherhood!



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Viesczy
Really, religious freedom? You're saying that because a religious hospital, maybe the only medical provider a person can go to but doesn't share that faith's crazy views, because that hospital cannot force their religious view on that person who doesn't share their belief there is no religious freedom?


How would you consider choosing NOT to provide a service as forcing their beliefs on others? It's simply about not being forced to do something that is absolutely against everything they stand for and believe in. Now to my personal knowledge this is more a Catholic thing than any other because of their views on Birth Control as a sin in and of itself.

The thing is.... before Obama was pushing this down the throats of the providers, they DID supply some of it. My sister-in law had her 2nd child last year and was all set for St Johns to do the delivery and tubal ligation at the same time. No problems...until this issue came up and push starting becoming shove a few weeks beforehand. All of the sudden, the ligation became something they absolutely stopped offering across the board and she had to scramble at the last moment to find another Hospital to do both at the same time. So, before this even goes into effect it's had consequences.




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