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Originally posted by ZeskoWhirligan
Originally posted by NickSab67
We have to believe and be open to these processes because all our science and studies are based on our earth only.
Well, when you believe that there must be Life elsewhere in the Universe WITHOUT EVIDENCE, that's called Faith. As in, Faith that God exists, as well.
Faith is knowledge and certainty without physical evidence.
Science hates Faith. Science has no room for Faith.
I know this because skeptics and cynics and, yes, scientists tell me that Science only allows for that which we have definitive proof. By this logic, we cannot assume that Life thrives throughout the Universe, because we have no proof that Life exists anywhere except on Earth.
As far as Science — REAL Science — is concerned, Earth is the ONLY planet capable of sustaining Life. If you claim that Life MUST exist elsewhere in the Universe, then you must provide evidence.
The late Carl Sagan is often cited for his dire remark: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Which implies that Life DOES NOT exist beyond the Earth because, to date, nobody has provided the extraordinary proof to back up the extraordinary claims.
I know, I know, every day you hear scientists speculating on extraterrestrial life — but speculation is NOT Science. Speculation is just FANTASY unsupported by physical evidence.
I mean, if we just automatically ASSUME that the universe is teeming with Life and intelligent Life in varying stages of evolution and sophistication, then we must ALSO assume that God or gods do, indeed, exist. Because an intelligent species with technology that is, say, a billion years older than Humanity could rightly be identified as a God-race.
So Science must be very, very particular in where it places its Faith.
edit on 23-1-2012 by ZeskoWhirligan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dannotz
And i'd have to dispute you on science, science has turned into a bit of a religion itself.
Did you guys see a new report came out about this today? Only now they are saying that another probe was sent to Venus and it has arrived and has once again found living beings. Here's the link.
Originally posted by Larry L
reply to post by GabrielSevenSeals
But I do believe the Valiant Thor story, and because of that story I've been convinced there are people on Venus since I was a child and heard the story. All the scientific data and stories/myths I've studied since have just backed up that belief.edit on 23-1-2012 by Larry L because: to add
Spectroscopy pertains to the dispersion of an object's light into its component colors (i.e. energies). By performing this dissection and analysis of an object's light, astronomers can infer the physical properties of that object (such as temperature, mass, luminosity and composition).
"It must be emphasized that in the present work on the processing of the initial images images any retouching, drawing-in, additions to, or adjustment of images was completely ruled out." And he says that the use of Photoshop was "categorically ruled out." Yet he goes on to say that adjustments were, in fact, made. Missing bits of images were filled in with data from other images, contrast and brightness adjusted, and (most strangely), the "Blur" and "sharpen" functions in Microsoft Windows Paint were sometimes employed.
"Two images, taken about an hour apart, show the gradual blowing away of soil on the landing ring of Venera-13. Changes in the quality of illumination appear, becoming less diffuse at some times. This is probably due to the movement of clouds, which would probably cause vague regions of lighter and darker sky as seen from the surface." It's very important to recall that the sites that the Venera landers photographed -- actually, sites photographed by any lander of any planet -- are at least somewhat disturbed by the landing. The Veneras kicked up dust and soil that was redeposited on their flat surfaces, some of which was blown away in the brief period that they transmitted data to the surface.
Originally posted by Hellhound604
The planetary society has an interesting view on their site,
but if I recall correctly off the top of my head, the paper was The Washington Post, so it's not like this was a joke.