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If evolution is right, why do people have such trouble accepting alien life is out there?

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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If evolution is right, why do people have such trouble accepting alien life is out there?

Are we really the center of the world?
Does the Sun rotate around the Earth?

You get the idea.
We basically have proof for alien life (bacteria) in asteroids, mars mission 70s (ok disputed, but still), so what is the big holdup?
I demand answers from skeptics!




posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Fear of the unknown?! 1 can understand this though as many were not taught from youth about the potential cosmic FAMILY... But in some ways they have, with the filtered data within religions there are various mentions of non humans..

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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Most people who believe in Evolution only understand the theory to a limit.
They fail to realise that the origins of how life started here on Earth.happened all throughout the universe.

Just remember that people can only go as far as they are told to when it comes to understanding something.
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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I think you'll find most people are able to accept the existence of alien life. What people are skeptical about is that alien life is visiting Earth. For some reason the believers can't seem to separate alien life existing and alien life visiting Earth. So, when someone claims there is no proof of aliens visiting Earth the believers take that to mean that the person is saying that aliens don't exist period.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Viking9019
Most people who believe in Evolution only understand the theory to a limit.
They fail to realise that the origins of how life started here on Earth.happened all throughout the universe.

Just remember that people can only go as far as they are told to when it comes to understanding something.
edit on 20/1/12 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)

yeah, i agree, what i don't understand, is why most throw a fit, when someone theorizes about other life forms.
I mean isn't that science in a nutshell?
Dream the impossible, then explore it?
If we constrain our thoughts, so soon we will be left in a box of our own making.
Only to realize in a thousand years, oh no, we were wrong as aliens attack the planet.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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I think you'll find most people are able to accept the existence of alien life. What people are skeptical about is that alien life is visiting Earth. For some reason the believers can't seem to separate alien life existing and alien life visiting Earth. So, when someone claims there is no proof of aliens visiting Earth the believers take that to mean that the person is saying that aliens don't exist period.

I think its ridiculous that aliens are visiting us personally, at least in the ways described.
If I was an alien life form visiting earth, I would probably go with some kind on neural esp, or biological exploration on a nano level.
No way would I probe peoples bums. Ridicolous.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Viking9019

Just remember that people can only go as far as they are told to when it comes to understanding something.



this brings up the question then...

If through history there were no accounts of aliens, or ETs, or Ancient astronaughts, blah blah blah...and these entities were just now starting to arrive... could we comprehend what we should be seeing? I saw an analogy on a show the other day where they explained a belief that when settlers started to travel the oceans to new lands, the indiginous people could only see the ripples in the shoreline. they had no comprehension or understanding of these ships coming from the horizon, so the ships seemed to be "cloaked", and only their wake was visible as ripples on the horizon. the shamen of the tribes would sit out along the shores all day reflecting on the ripples and what they could be. eventually, the continued thought brought the revelation the ripples were caused by ships. the ships manifested on the shoreline, but the other tribesmen could not see what was causing the ripples. it was not until they held faith in what the shamen described that they could see the ships.

most would agree that current media, education, culture..controls what we know, are taught, should believe, should buy, sell, do, blah blah blah...so if this is agreed upon, my referenced analogy is a bunch of bs then. for they should have seen the ships without having the shamens convince them; for if they were not told they DO NOT exist they should have saw them from the start.

I do not believe our world and universe are entites of random creation, coinsidences, and any other term that could branch from these... to me, it is not about what we are told to believe or not that make the universe so...

I believe our collective conciousness creates the world we know and recognize. i believe both situations i have described take us to the same conclusion...

the shamens, through deep concentraion and meditation, manifested the ships on the horizon (not that the ships were not real before, not what i am saying. by saying they manifested the ships on the horizon, i mean they put the thought out in to the universe that something was coming from across the water, and the universe said "your wish is my command". again, not that the ships had no basis in "reality", but that the universe then influenced the minds of foreign persons to come and explore the "new world"). Once the thought was manifested by the universe, the shamen needed not to convince the people they were ships...the ships came and through the collective conciousness they all had the "common sense" that the objects were ships. I believe this also holds true in regards to what we are conditioned to know, and believe. When the constant collective message to the universe is a contiuned war, propoganda, phony drug war, more poverty, more crime, more violence and hate... again, the universe says, "your wish is my command." when these thoughts have left our conciousness, and we again focus on possitives, our world will change over night.

Equal Rights, Justice, Peace, and Love to ALL
this is my one commandment for myself. i know we can make change. but do the masses?


I believe this is why there has been no public contact with ETs... we see them in the sky because enough people tell the universe they are out there and exist, but we have not met them, because more people believe they do not exist and will never mae contact. we ge parts of both thoughts because our collective conciousness is divided
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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it's difficult to accept.
especially the 'created to be a slave by the anunnaki to mine gold.'
they are beyond a shadow of a doubt walking amongst us born of earth mothers.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Science is supposed to be the smartest of the smart, but enshrined across that broad field is an apt, descriptive saying that exactly explains why even Science cannot (easily) accept something new or different. That saying is: "Not invented here." Meaning, "If we didn't do it, we don't accept it." Of course, with mass communication and inter-relations, that self-limiting, self-protective notion is fading away, more so almost daily as we find that the Universe truly is alive.

Yet, that saying correctly and succinctly places the finger on why WE have long held, even beyond the lifting veil of religions, that we must be the supreme animal only second to a god figure. We see all around us how that has fashioned our thinking and outlook on the Universe, whether looking at porpoises or UFOs.

Encountering entities far greater in all areas of the works of Man and mankind itself, will be the beginning of a decline despite efforts made to prevent such from happening. It is inevitable. However, the decline will give rise to a new civilization. Hopefully, at that time the emphasis will be on the first syllable.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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See what I mean? We're not even 10 posts into this thread and already we have people interpreting your question as "Are aliens visiting Earth?"



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by jibajaba
it's difficult to accept.
especially the 'created to be a slave by the anunnaki to mine gold.'
they are beyond a shadow of a doubt walking amongst us born of earth mothers.

reread what i have written. this is not a faith of religion thread.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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This is a much overlooked and yet extremely valid point of proof, which deserves more attention stars and flags. People do not necessarily even believe in a creator, not that it makes much difference in the discussion because... Here we are! Created or evolved is rather moot.

Nothing stands still. Everything is in motion and thereby in a direction. If you accept evolution and the process itself of simple organisms combining and building more complicated ones, just because nothing ever stands still, pure logic and reason alone would bring you to realize if it happened here - it can (and must!) happen anywhere and there are a staggering (infinite) number of "every where's," i.e galaxies and universes available for this to happen.

Why have none of those other intelligent lives visited here...?
Well, some say they have but this should not necessarily be a criteria for other life anyway. Are we that significant? More evolved creatures may have already moved off and we might in fact be quite "primitive" in the great scheme of things. Chances are slim to none the being (the intelligent living thing) created over time would be just or anything like us...unless we are directly related.

If it becomes true that some of these alien entities ARE exactly like us I would suspect then some interference and that they preceded us and we are ourselves an offshoot of that branch or "family of being" species, genus etc... in the universe. I would also suspect there are other types out there but our "neighborhood" in space might be dominated by the human-like and so this might be WHY we have not been visited by other types. They may be warded off by nearby "relations," or other interested parties. Like there's yellow tape around this universe, roped off as a crime scene
and you can only get in or even close if you have a special ID.
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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
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This is a much overlooked and yet extremely valid point of proof, which deserves more attention stars and flags. People do not necessarily even believe in a creator, not that it makes much difference in the discussion because... Here we are! Created or evolved is rather moot.

Nothing stands still. Everything is in motion and thereby in a direction. If you accept evolution and the process itself of simple organisms combining and building more complicated ones, just because nothing ever stands still, pure logic and reason alone would bring you to realize if it happened here - it can (and must!) happen anywhere and there are a staggering (infinite) number of "every where's," i.e galaxies and universes available for this to happen.

Why have none of those other intelligent lives visited here...?
Well, some say they have but this should not necessarily be a criteria for other life anyway. Are we that significant? More evolved creatures may have already moved off and we might in fact be quite "primitive" in the great scheme of things. Chances are slim to none the being (the intelligent living thing) created over time would be just or anything like us...unless we are directly related.

If it becomes true that some of these alien entities ARE exactly like us I would suspect then some interference and that they preceded us and we are ourselves an offshoot of that branch or "family of being" species, genus etc... in the universe. I would also suspect there are other types out there but our "neighborhood" in space might be dominated by the human-like and so this might be WHY we have not been visited by other types. They may be warded off by nearby "relations," or other interested parties. Like there's yellow tape around this universe, roped off as a crime scene
and you can only get in or even close if you have a special ID.
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Excellent points!
If we ponder possibilities. I feel we may just be to far away (at this point, even for an more advanced civilization.
Speculating on this, I would presume we would first encounter probes...
And let us not forget on the grand scheme of thing, even a minute change can bring about a totally different life form (think dino)....
We have always presumed carbon based life, but whose to say evolution only works with carbon based life form?
Ponder that.
It would seem to be universal to all.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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There still are many many people that don't believe in evolution. And i feel that a percentage of the people that do believe in evolution don't really understand it. It's taught in schools therefore I believe it, but necessarily understanding it is very different.

I believe it's safe to say that there is life on most of the planets in our galaxy. Life will really survive wherever you put it.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by dymiox
There still are many many people that don't believe in evolution. And i feel that a percentage of the people that do believe in evolution don't really understand it. It's taught in schools therefore I believe it, but necessarily understanding it is very different.

I believe it's safe to say that there is life on most of the planets in our galaxy. Life will really survive wherever you put it.

off topic: but cool logo.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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I think, a lot of people would be OK with alien life as long as its bacteria probably not virus, but not a full fledged alien, with limbs visiting earth is just unbelievable. Alien believers assume when skeptics say there is no alien, they assume no life at all, but in fact most skeptics are dismissing the fact of a full fledged-iods aliens.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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If evolution is right, there is most likely alien life out there. But the universe is infinite and they're skeptical that aliens have made their way here at this time. Some people think it's more likely that UFOs are natural phenomenon or military aircraft. And considering how vast space is, I'd have to agree with them a little bit. I mean, let's consider that sightings have been reported since ancient time. At least since the 40s if you consider Roswell.

So, let's think about this, so did some super advanced race develop faster than light travel, travel trillions of light years to get here, and then since ancient times what have they done? Kidnap people, probe our butts, mutliate cows, and draw pretty corn circles in fields? This does not sound like the behavior of an advanced race IF you consider how long they've been doing it.

I mean even if they were doing experiements, they should have figured out how the anus works by now and either moved on to a new planet, or made first contact. I mean, even if UFOs really are alien ships, the story STILL MAKES NO SENSE!

And not everyone believes in evolution either.

Also, if the universe is infinite then the universe really has no center. Or you could say that everything is in the center, the earth, the solar system, the galaxy, and all other galaxies too. No matter where you are, you're in the center.

Math gets weird when working with infinite things. Consider if the universe was 10 miles wide and you're in the center. There's five miles to the left of you, and five miles to the right. If you go 1 mile to the right, then there's 4 miles to your right, and 6 to your left. You're not in the center anymore.

But if the universe is inifite there's infinite miles to your left, and infinite miles to your right. If you go 1 mile to the right, there's still an infinite amount of miles to your left, and an infinite amount of miles to your right. You're still in the center. Well sort of.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by tinfoilman
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If evolution is right, there is most likely alien life out there. But the universe is infinite and they're skeptical that aliens have made their way here at this time. Some people think it's more likely that UFOs are natural phenomenon or military aircraft. And considering how vast space is, I'd have to agree with them a little bit. I mean, let's consider that sightings have been reported since ancient time. At least since the 40s if you consider Roswell.

So, let's think about this, so did some super advanced race develop faster than light travel, travel trillions of light years to get here, and then since ancient times what have they done? Kidnap people, probe our butts, mutliate cows, and draw pretty corn circles in fields? This does not sound like the behavior of an advanced race IF you consider how long they've been doing it.

I mean even if they were doing experiements, they should have figured out how the anus works by now and either moved on to a new planet, or made first contact. I mean, even if UFOs really are alien ships, the story STILL MAKES NO SENSE!

And not everyone believes in evolution either.

Also, if the universe is infinite then the universe really has no center. Or you could say that everything is in the center, the earth, the solar system, the galaxy, and all other galaxies too. No matter where you are, you're in the center.

Math gets weird when working with infinite things. Consider if the universe was 10 miles wide and you're in the center. There's five miles to the left of you, and five miles to the right. If you go 1 mile to the right, then there's 4 miles to your right, and 6 to your left. You're not in the center anymore.

But if the universe is inifite there's infinite miles to your left, and infinite miles to your right. If you go 1 mile to the right, there's still an infinite amount of miles to your left, and an infinite amount of miles to your right. You're still in the center. Well sort of.
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Good points!
But you may wish to read the entries before.
This is not a thread about ufos, i have strong opinions on that, read above.
Its about why some cannot concieve alien life.
Also, we can play with the idea of what it would be like, right?
Any ideas?



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Its all those religious nut jobs whose jaws will hit the floor and scream "demon!!" who wont accept the fact that they're not the top of the evolutionary heap..

People probably dont want to accept the fact that they are not the best in the universe because it would cause them to actually use they're brains and see the lies that have been fed to them by religions and government.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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I already answered that, because not everyone believes in evolution. If evolution is true and the universe is infinite, then not only do aliens exist, but so probably does pretty much everything else. Inter dimensional beings, Gods, dragons, pink unicorns. Just keep going until you find a planet that has what you're looking for. They're infinite. You'll never run out of planets to check. Eventually you'll find one with something that is exactly like a pink unicorn. Using evolution this way is no different than saying God did it. It can be used to explain anything and everything. It no longer becomes scientific. No matter what you can imagine, you can always turn around and say well, since the universe is infinite there must be dragons out there somewhere! That's not scientific. That's why some people don't believe in aliens. It's not logical to believe in them until there's evidence of them.

The only reason to suspect aliens don't exist, is if you believe either A. The universe is finite and therefore the creations that exist in the universe are also finite. or B. Evolution isn't real.
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