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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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reply to post by Americandefender
 


if this is true..and correct then thank you
is there a time line?




posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by sweetnlow
reply to post by DelMar
 

Shotgun news and other paper and web publications did and even still do sell demilled machine gun kits, along with other demilled armaments, like tanks and armor personnel carriers, and just all sortsa goodies if you can afford them, but the gun kits required no FFL because the BATF no longer considered them firearms

easy to investigate, just search online for machine gun kits or parts, very interesting to see whats still offered


You did partially answer my question, yes you can buy machine gun parts/kits but, I can't find anywhere online that says I can own a machine gun without filing a BATF form 4. You said in your OP that the BATF doesn't care, not your exact words but close enough. Can you show me a direct link that says I can purchase a functional machine gun, parts/kits or in whole where the U.S. government won't require paperwork.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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ur a big boy, you need to make these searches yourself if thats your interest, and yes you can even go on youtube and buy special gun stocks that will allow your weapon to fire full auto that are BATF approved

I'll not provide any link to anything, but this is one of the reasons they went after david koresh and the branch davidians, over the LEGAL machine gun kits and the LEGAL grenade bodies, not for sexing the kiddies



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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Neat, so you make a claim and won't back it up. You basically said an FFL wasn't required to own a machine gun but I am unable to verify that when I did my "big boy" searching. It appears that you made a statement that you can't back up, if I'm wrong show me where.



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by DelMar
reply to post by sweetnlow
 


Neat, so you make a claim and won't back it up. You basically said an FFL wasn't required to own a machine gun but I am unable to verify that when I did my "big boy" searching. It appears that you made a statement that you can't back up, if I'm wrong show me where.


Awwww poor boy...he's too busy playin' with his G.I.Joe's to look it up for you.....



posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 11:48 PM
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well the first thing you need to understand is that the dealers will say ALL NFA RULES APPLY, OR NO FFL REQUIRED
www.angelfire.com...
Now quit your whining and do your own research



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by sweetnlow
well the first thing you need to understand is that the dealers will say ALL NFA RULES APPLY, OR NO FFL REQUIRED
www.angelfire.com...
Now quit your whining and do your own research


Wow forgive my ignorance, it certainly looks like a legit source. I mean what could possibly be wrong with an angelfire website that sells firearms? Thanks bud, you really opened my eyes. BTW, you forgot to link where it says I can own a machine gun without an FFL for it. No worries, I'm sure you know what you're talking about.

I'm off to bed but first I'm gonna get me a tank from an angelfire website.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Thanks for the angelfire info.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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reply to post by DelMar
 

you're still not comprehending, but that's ok
its best you steer clear of these things, you might hurt yourself or find yourself in Guantanamo



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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I'm too busy playing with GI JANE



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone claims that "Civil War" is coming to the USA. It drives me nuts. There is NOTHING in our Political climate that suggest civil war is imminent. Civil War is defined as

civil war (noun) a war between political factions or regions within the same country.


So if there is to be a "civil war" just who would this war be with? North vs South? East vs West? Democrat vs Republican? The answer is NO!!

What you are describing is citizens, people vs Government. That is much different from "Civil War". That is called Revolution.

Revolution (noun)
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.
5. a single turn of this kind.


Many people would say I am being critical in bring up this point but I disagree. I believe this is an important enough topic that people should discuss it, think about it, and have some ideas about the topic. Revolution, in my opinion, is a very very real possibility. However, if you intend to have this discussion, people need o be able to describe it accurately or you run the risk of looking very foolish.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by sweetnlow
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I'm too busy playing with GI JANE


I knew it was some kind of doll....at least you're honest....



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:59 AM
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You could call it revolution, but there is large population north south east and west in this country that buy in to all the government BS and will stand up and fight side by side with the whitehouse, i know these people and they're so fully brainwashed it makes you want to puke, that's why i used the term CIVIL


So its really both



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by autopat51
reply to post by Americandefender
 


if this is true..and correct then thank you
is there a time line?


No time frame. Was just told to be ready for law enforcement. Heard this has been ordered last week on the east coast and this week here in the west.

No other information at the time.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by DivineFem

Originally posted by Americandefender
My name is isn't important as I am most likely breaking opsec on this. I am a grunt. I bleed red white and blue. I love America and I love the people. Our way of life and most of all I am an oathkeeper. But something is going on an I believe civilians need to be aware.


Orders have come down. All infantry personel are on standby for local law enforcement.

I don't know what it means but not one person I talk to thinks this is good.

Prepare yourselfs.





is there a timeframe? How long do we have? (these are serious questions not sarcasm)

No time frame. I'll keep updating on this thread as more information come available.
If it comes to it I sand by the people.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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Sweetnlow's got it right, even though it could have been said better.

You can absolutely buy demilitarized fully automatic weaponry from shotgun news or any one of a thousand sites on the internet. You can even rebuild it into a functional machine gun. If you do it without the proper class FFL, may God have mercy on your soul because the ATF won't. You *will* get caught.

By US law, an AK-47 cannot be imported in intact form. The guns are shipped here with two diagonal cuts made across the receiver. This places the parts (by ATF ruling the rifle is no longer a firearm at this point) into three pieces. The first piece contains the barrel, front trunion, etc. The middle piece contains the infamous "third hole" where the fire control group sits. The rear piece contains the trigger guard, mag catch, pistol grip, and buttstock. All of the pieces including the bolt and carrier (which were removed before the first demilitarization cut was made) are placed into a big plastic bag. Now it can be shipped directly to your door with no FFL transfer required because the ATF does not consider it a gun. That occurs later, and what they consider a gun will shock you.

When you rebuild an AK, you start out with an 80% receiver flat. This is a flat sheet of metal cut to spec and had all appropriate holes pre-cut. These cost you about $10, as of several years ago. No idea how much they are now. Still not a gun.

So you place your flat into your receiver jig. This is basically a mold for the metal. Place into hydraulic press and start cranking. At one point you'll hear a loud pop from the receiver jig. Upon closer inspection you see that the flat has a bend to it, making a \_/ shape. Congratulations. You now legally own an AK. Perfectly legal to build yourself, with one small catch. You can't sell it. It's an unserialed, homebuilt weapon. Sorta. That's kind of a grey area with the ATF. Supposedly if you stamp it with your last name, city and state of manufacture, and a serial number you can sell them..infrequently. However, Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices *is* a class of FFL, and last time I checked it wasn't cheap and it had a yearly renew cost. I wouldn't dream of selling a homebuilt firearm without that license. It's not worth the risk and if you draw the gaze of that particular federal agency you *will* lose, even if you were right. They'll just drag out the trial until you're too broke to defend yourself, then they pounce.

One other thing. Even *talking* about how to manufacture illegal firearms is illegal. "Conspiracy to violate NFA 1934 and GCA 1968." The ATF goes for that charge every time. It's their version of your local LEO's "disorderly conduct" charge.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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The screwy messed up part of the whole thing that was written into the script is, if we do nothing they win, and if we do something they win, so just like EBAY win, lose or draw, They Win


TEMPORARILY.

Thankfully.

However, whether we are talking about the "birth pangs" leading up to

The Great Tribulation

or the first 3.5 years or the last 3.5 years of THE WRATH OF GOD . . .

it is not going to be a pretty time.

The blood will flow liberally.

The Bible notifies that 1/3 of the earth's population will die in an early stage . . . and later another 1/3.

Thankfully, that's still a lot less than the 6 billion 800 million the globalists have decreed shall be genocidally murdered.

However, more than ever . . .

only what's done for Christ will last or have any eternal, redemptive, lasting value.

And, the Book also teaches that

when the "enemy comes in like a flood," God will "raise up a standard against him."

I personally believe that God has some dramatic surprises in store for the globalists and their robotic slave army.

However, the globalists will be more or less in charge of all the nations of the world for at least 3.5 years.

It is certainly a time when the good people hide themselves.

Or expect martyrdom.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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I'd like to think that Ron Paul could upset Washington DC enough to turn the tide.

He can't. It's just impossible.

They have too many entrenched stooges he would be powerless against.

And that's ASSUMING he could actually get in the WhiteHouse without being 'Vince Fosterized.'

He HAS to be a scripted factor on the part of the globalists. They may have cast him as a clever spoiler . . . a la Ross Perot.

Also, I find his hostility toward Israel to be a real red flag. He cannot carry God's blessings with that hostility.

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Personally, I'd pay serious money to see that too. Obama could use some constructive criticism from Chuck.


Wouldn't Chuck merely be assisting with the Patriotic Constitution upholding side of the civil war?

Otherwise,

Perhaps we could call it

therapeudic massage.

or

Instructive body language training

or

Free contortionist lessons

or

Compact body postures by Chuck Norris.

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Unfortunate. I do not think we will last to the election.


It certainly looks like LOTS of mayhem and bloodshed may well be scheudled plenty ahead of the next SElection, alright.

May God have mercy on all of good heart.

May the evil doers fall speedily into the pits they have dug for the rest of us.

May all the Constitution shredding traitors be amongst the first to reap what they have sown.






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