Fired Vatican Hebrew Translator exposes the OT for what it is in his LITERAL translation of the Hebr, page 6

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:01 AM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

Since we're apparently trying to help people be less confused...

firstly according to the bible there is only 1 god.

So who exactly were Chemosh, Molech, Baal, Dagon, and all the rest again? Perhaps you were just making a semantic point about the singularity of the one true 'god', but that wouldn't seem to square with your support for this video.

Come to find out, the word for god back then was really just a word for "captain"...yes, only one captain on the ship, the rest are lesser ranked shipmates.

I quite like this literal stuff...My knowledge comes from the chronicle stuff, but sure...suddenly the bible makes some logical sense (and some misinterpretations clearly gumming up the works)...but if you think of it as a fair sized fleet of ETs around earth, then the mythos makes a nice picture.

I think according to memory, the two gods in the OT (God and Lord God) were akin to a captain and sort of like first officer. or sort of like district manager and local night manager. Also they came from two different places. the god guy came from the kingdom of god, whereas the lord god came from a place called heaven..so could have been more than one erm..race we are dealing with here...perhaps even three (given the snake seems to have been a completely different entity from either god or lord god)

So, perhaps some sort of galactic council of sorts and the stories of genesis may not have necessarily taken place on earth to begin with (garden of eden may have been a space station or different planet entirely, and the earth is actually Nod.)

Soo many theories based on the literal..makes the story very murky, yet somehow more believable (more based in a physical reality than some ghost stories)

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:02 AM by HeywoodFloyd

reply to post by scary

Thank you scary, Great Post.

I know the work of Mauro Biglino, he is a very accurate and scrupulous person.
The work Biglino has done is remarkable, and sure very important.

The original Text that he translated is called "The Leningrad Codex" and from that one all the Bibles originated.

en.wikipedia.org...

I am now reading the entire thread, then I will comment.
By the way, I am fluent also in Italian, and this helps.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:05 AM by gonzaccio

reply to post by 6Eyengineer

i'd like to know where did you hear the pope saying that he is jesus. no pope in history ever said this. your statement is totally false, he institutionally is the man that takes the place of saint peter. jesus said "you are peter, that means rock, and on this rock, i'll create my church". i really suggest you all to read again the bible, if even read it once, and then you'll be able to understand what mauro is saying. this is a suggestion in order to not appear ignorant. peace

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:05 AM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

They also have an AGENDA. They have been schooled their entire lives in religious dogma. If they did come up with something controversial, it would be hidden away and they would be chastised. Just like the fellow doing the videos was chastised and fired by the Vatican.

Did anyone else get the part where he says the ancient Israelites did not speak Hebrew? What I am understanding is that the Bible was translated INTO whatever language it was written in from whatever language they were speaking at the time. Is that correct?

They can't do that. Hiding this knowledge from the people that God wanted them to know is the same as lieing to them and wouldn't go unpunished and even they know that.

Depends
What if the findings prove that the events of the bible were completely false and it was just some passing aliens...would they release the information, and thereby end the church...or do they then decide to run it like a business and hide it, I mean, if it ever comes out, they are out of a job, but if it doesn't..well, its not like some biblical god is going to judge them in the end..due to that being the point...

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:06 AM by Praetorius

reply to post by SaturnFX

*chuckle*

I'll definitely have to watch it all when I get home, but the thing that always catches in my mind is - the jews (israelites, whatever) have actively been practicing their religion and working with these writings since they were written.

And they haven't ended up with some sort of space saga. I plan on looking further into it, but the disconnect strikes me as significant.

Thanks, Saturn. Neat stuff either way, and I admit - for some reasons - I do kind of like this new spin, but I see significant issues with it.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:18 AM by ararisq

Thanks for posting this. I'll watch later.

Expect the typical response to be:

1) See the word Vatican and self-censor.

2) Google this guys name and see what bad things people say about him to decide whether to watch or not - a form of self censorship.

3) Read the first page of posts here and decide whether to self-censor.

I'll take it from the point of view that I'm an adult, listen to him and decide for myself.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:24 AM by jsettica

I will cheek it out latter.

Thanks for this.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:26 AM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Praetorius I do kind of like this new spin, but I see significant issues with it.

Well, if you consider it logically, they are suggesting this translation is more accurate, and it paints out a fairly ordinary (extraordinary yet not supernatural) starting of what is going on here
alternatively, the current story is that a ghost came here and genie nose twitched everything into existance, then decided he loved the smell of burning stuff whenever people sin, and...etc..total madness that you need to be half borked out of your mind sniffing paint in order to think sounds logical.

just from that angle, I would give it serious consideration as being the more likely translation.

logical method on physics we understand and a series of events that seem fairly well thought out
or
Aladdian's genie comes to life and magics all sorts of wonky stuff for the lulz

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:27 AM by St Udio

a paycheck is paycheck... but the Author stayed with the Vatican publishers wayyyyy to long.

he knew early on that the Catholic & Christian concept of 'Original Sin' was a load of baloney,
at least the way he explained the Adam & Eve awakening to learn between good-v-evil etc.

i only could follow the first two segments of the six videos... he glosses over stuff just enough to tantalize you into
picking up his book...but i'm sure he writes in a very long-drawn out and explanitory way (very dry reading)

i will follow up, i will 'subscribe' to this thread to see what comes up.,,,

but i feel that advanced off-worlders or very advanced cousins to humans engineered our being here
and that info was twisted into a 'religious' belief system... which is where i've been from for several decades already

thanks

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:27 AM by HeywoodFloyd

reply to post by scary

about Mauro Biglino's credentials:

he translated 17 books from ancient Hebrew for "Edizioni Paoline"
(Edizioni Paoline is a Vatican Publisher).
Here you can find his name:

www.aseq.it...

Cinque Meghillôt
Rut – Cantico dei Cantici – Qohelet – Lamentazioni – Ester
Editore: San Paolo Edizioni
Ebraico – Greco – Latino – Italiano, a cura di Piergiorgio Beretta
Testo della Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia.
Traduzione interlineare italiana di Mauro Biglino.

Here (the same book) Edizioni Paoline deleted Biglino's name
(who knows why...)

www.edizionisanpaolo.it...

and here too:

I Profeti minori Ebraico Greco Latino Italiano
Osea Gioele Amos Abdia Giona Michea Naum Abacuc Sofonia Agge

www.edizionisanpaolo.it...

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This sets the point about Biglino's credentials.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:32 AM by Gorman91

reply to post by scary

Ah yes, the famous "one man against the world" conspiracy.

How about this.

Genesis 1 can be translated a wide range of things,

From

"First, created God, heaven, earth."

or

"First, choose angels in the sky (and the) wilderness!"

Now if you don't mind, I trust 4 thousand years of tradition from God's people over the ramblings of a single man.

The language was designed to require the aid of elders to translate it. A safeguard against men like he you speak of. Failure to know this means, well, you can make the Bible mean whatever you wish.

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:36 AM by PrinceDreamer

Just a little post so I can find this thread again

it seems to be right up my street but don't have time for it now

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:38 AM by HeywoodFloyd

Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd
reply to post by scary

about Mauro Biglino's credentials:

he translated 17 books from ancient Hebrew for "Edizioni Paoline"
(Edizioni Paoline is a Vatican Publisher).
Here you can find his name:

www.aseq.it...

Cinque Meghillôt
Rut – Cantico dei Cantici – Qohelet – Lamentazioni – Ester
Editore: San Paolo Edizioni
Ebraico – Greco – Latino – Italiano, a cura di Piergiorgio Beretta
Testo della Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia.
Traduzione interlineare italiana di Mauro Biglino.

Here (the same book) Edizioni Paoline deleted Biglino's name
(who knows why...)

www.edizionisanpaolo.it...

and here too:

I Profeti minori Ebraico Greco Latino Italiano
Osea Gioele Amos Abdia Giona Michea Naum Abacuc Sofonia Agge

www.edizionisanpaolo.it...

----------------------------------------------------------

This sets the point about Biglino's credentials.

forgot to add:
if someone has doubts, or want to dispute this,
first he has to verify the acknowledgement section of the above mentioned books,
where Biglino's translation work is CLEARLY stated and written.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:38 AM by ararisq

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Come to find out, the word for god back then was really just a word for "captain"...yes, only one captain on the ship, the rest are lesser ranked shipmates.

Or "captain" was the word for "god". Depends on which one came first and how people tried to communicate their ideas.

I tend to agree though. I don't believe in the fairly tale version of the Bible. I believe it literally happened. I don't believe that Noah built a bath-tub ship that carried actual animals on it with a giraffe's head sticking out the top. I don't believe that Noah lived for 900 years and was less intelligent than us. I believe he had more knowledge and tried to prevent its spread due to what life was like before. I think Ham parted ways with Noah and his grandson Nimrod succeeded in uncovering the 'hidden knowledge" and became genetically modified to be part god. Insert whatever you like for what the gods are - but I don't believe they are imaginary.

Christians tend to want to believe in God and Jesus without believing in demons and lesser gods and that 'magic' (indistinguishable from sufficiently advanced technology) existed.

That said I don't believe that God is an alien from a neighboring planet that happened by Earth. I believe He is 'alien' to us but still in existence and way more deep than an alien traveler.

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Edit to add I support God and Jesus without question because of who they are and what they stand for. Whether they are energy, people, or aliens doesn't really concern me. I'm just saying that most Christians have this fairly tale view of the Bible built up over the centuries and supported by paintings and movies. If you consider that the people before the global catastrophe may not have been 100% human and had ongoing direct contact with the 'aliens/gods' then its impossible to believe that they were less intelligent than us. Noah, as the last 'pure' human who had already been alive for hundreds of years in that environment would have put us all to shame in his knowledge.

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:46 AM by sad_eyed_lady

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by scary

He worked for the Vatican? Well i definately won't be reading his lies. The Pope claimed to be Jesus, that's enough for me to write off anything that comes from Roman Catholicism.

THE POPE NEVER SAID HE WAS JESUS. You would think something like that might of made the news like it did when the Beatles said they were bigger than Jesus, perhaps you were you too young, or not even born to know what an uproar that caused. That is the biggest crock I've ever heard. I guess he just told the Protestants and forget to share that tidbit with his own congregation. Talk about listening to lies.

I hope you know God sees everything. Bashing Catholicism is common around here, but that doesn't make it right. Funny thing it's the non-Catholic Christians (Protestants) that are doing most of the bashing. You act like we worship the devil. We don't.

I have heard plenty of radio preachers bash my faith, but never once have I heard a priest say one negative thing against a Protestant. Some of you don't even know you are Protestants. You really shouldn't criticize what you do not understand.

Back to the video, which I was open minded enough to watch. I would like to know more before I form an opinion. It is an interesting subject. The Vatican knows alot more than they are sharing. Their huge observatory makes you think they are looking for something to come this way.

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 11:56 AM by lonewolf19792000

reply to post by ararisq

Christians tend to want to believe in God and Jesus without believing in demons and lesser gods and that 'magic' (indistinguishable from sufficiently advanced technology) existed.

Rather pessimistic thing to say as well as biased and a lie. Demons are just fallen angels and there are no lesser gods. Some of the ancients thought the fallen angels and loyal angels were gods, but the fallen didn't refuse worship and they granted people like Nimrod limited power. The loyal angels were horrified at the prospect of being worshipped and they told the people to stop.

King Solomon is an example of a righteous man that went evil and then went insane by summoning the fallen ones and forcing them to grant him favors and it was witchcraft, or "magic". What we christians do not do is put the emphasis on fallen angels because God wants our eyes on him. Were not supposed to be infatuated with the occult and supernatural, but be infatuated with him.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 12:01 PM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
I hope you know God sees everything. Bashing Catholicism is common around here, but that doesn't make it right. Funny thing it's the non-Catholic Christians (Protestants) that are doing most of the bashing. You act like we worship the devil. We don't.

Not the devil..but you are worshipping the old pagan roman gods/goddesses. the church simply washed off the old names of the former pantheon and relabelled them to this new fad called christianity...but its all the same. goodbye apollo, hello jesus, goodbye Jupiter, hello God our father, etc...saints, demons, the whole lot, the ceremonies, all of it.

but this isn't me slamming the catholics..well, not as a bad thing anyhow, I personally think its awesome, but I would have preferred for the old gods to retain their names and full depth verses the paint job and wig that is called the catholic religion.

Again, nothing against the catholic religion...well, beyond a history of brutality and tyranical methods, but that is with all religions..but the concept and mythos is pretty cool..not as cool as its origins (greek), but cool enough. the only pagan religion still existing in western society today with great numbers (pretending to be monotheistic of course..nudge nudge wink wink)

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 12:03 PM by ararisq

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Rather pessimistic thing to say as well as biased and a lie. Demons are just fallen angels and there are no lesser gods. Some of the ancients thought the fallen angels and loyal angels were gods, but the fallen didn't refuse worship and they granted people like Nimrod limited power. The loyal angels were horrified at the prospect of being worshipped and they told the people to stop.

You are sure of yourself aren't you - calling me a liar. Demons are not fallen angels. Demons are those that were on the Earth and defeated prior to the flood - they were part 'spiritual' beings which is why they exist as demons. The lesser gods are the fallen angels that demanded worship.

King Solomon is an example of a righteous man that went evil and then went insane by summoning the fallen ones and forcing them to grant him favors and it was witchcraft, or "magic". What we christians do not do is put the emphasis on fallen angels because God wants our eyes on him. Were not supposed to be infatuated with the occult and supernatural, but be infatuated with him.

That is just you parroting a sermon. The reality is that they existed and still exist and there is a reason why God is against them. To ignore that they exist and that the fallen angels exist in no lesser form than the angels that have not fallen puts you in a position to be deceived by them.

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 12:06 PM by darthdamo74

reply to post by scary

Good find OP and thanks for sharing it with us. I got to part 3 but its tea time in the uk so my house is a bit hectic at the moment, I will watch it properly later but very interesting so far.
Given the odds I have more beleif in aliens than a bloke with a beard watching everything i do (G D) But I dont believe that our planet, the human race, and all the other creatures that share our planet just happend. So is it imposible that what this guy is saying isnt even close I dont think it is I will comment again later when I have watched it properly and read all the naysayers comments

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 12:07 PM by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by scary

He worked for the Vatican? Well i definately won't be reading his lies. The Pope claimed to be Jesus, that's enough for me to write off anything that comes from Roman Catholicism.

THE POPE NEVER SAID HE WAS JESUS. You would think something like that might of made the news like it did when the Beatles said they were bigger than Jesus, perhaps you were you too young, or not even born to know what an uproar that caused. That is the biggest crock I've ever heard. I guess he just told the Protestants and forget to share that tidbit with his own congregation. Talk about listening to lies.

I hope you know God sees everything. Bashing Catholicism is common around here, but that doesn't make it right. Funny thing it's the non-Catholic Christians (Protestants) that are doing most of the bashing. You act like we worship the devil. We don't.

I have heard plenty of radio preachers bash my faith, but never once have I heard a priest say one negative thing against a Protestant. Some of you don't even know you are Protestants.

Back to the video, which I was open minded enough to watch. I would like to know more before I form an opinion. It is an interesting subject. The Vatican knows alot more than they are sharing. Their huge observatory makes you think they are looking for something to come this way.

I already anwered this a couple pages ago but i will say it again because you must have missed it.

Pope Pius X was quoted saying "The Pope is the human representative of Christ on earth and he is Christ himself", none of the Popes since him refuted that statement. The fact that no other Popes refuted this means they are in accord with it as they all know about it and it is in their history, else i wouldn't have been able to find it.

Also the word "Pope" means "Father" and Jesus forbade any man call himself our Father and for us to call another man father.

"Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9).