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The Cup That Cannot Be Filled

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posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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The idea that there is an all-powerful source of organisation, call it a "supreme being" or a "global hierarchy" allows us to believe that we have to fight against something in order to attain freedom, it allows the general population to be taken "off the hook" when there is a "scape goat".

If you take the sum total of humanities thoughts, and then project them into actions (as is the case) you will have the world as we know it. That means, to hope for a better world, we must all collectivley change our ways of thinking, however, most people are far too concerned with negative, egotistical thoughts, and what we see in our world is thus a projection of our collective negativity, as opposed to some kind of "evil".

The up-hill battle is to take control over our minds, to weed out our negative thoughts and feelings, and to be honest with ourselves and others - something that cannot really be "taught" - however, in the end, cooperation and productivity, "evolution" if you will, will generally ensure that the only way is "up", granted that we do not completley obliterate ourselves.




posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by galadofwarthethird



truth is not anything, truth is always the exclusive begining end same, truth is freedom infinite value as the only existence reason, what is free even individual if it is true it is never a thing, there where the concept of else in absolute realm is begining of another free dimension superiority

your logics belong all to one from evil will, which is why cups to u exist, to me mister unsanity is what you really take that cup thing very seriously, puting yourself above existence is what put you under it





posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by IblisLucifer
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God is all and everything things that exist and things that don't exist
Remember nothing is everything, But Everything is not nothing. its all perspective of a mind gone schizo


your conception of truth is evil, so it is way nonsense at all

there is no thing that exist mister, only freedom exist in truth conception and in fact existence and in any reality true perspective

your god is just a free will the fact that he get what he wants more effectively then others free wills is bc of his ways that are all to infinite negative inferiority that his freedom kind sees no limits inn



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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god is not everything nor nothing, god is his free will that exist from enjoying forcing values inferiority, it is very relative what he does focused on limited perspective
god is that free sense existence from fixing value down, that is how he is sure negative inferiority freedom, he exists only from getting out of most down he forced



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Ive heard the many time on this site before
-The only good is knowledge the only evil is ignorance-

-Freedom is having nothing to lose- Janis Joplin


God the Source the All, as i would call is just trying to find the Pi its seems futile and pointless but it is the point of the point because if it didn't then there would be nothing ever.

If you where being of infinite power what would be your goal? Mine would be to know all possibility's withing reason and base on simple logic and rational ways and also all illogical and irrational ways otherwise one wouldn't know every way in which all the ways can happen and will eventually workout


But just like Pauli exclusion principle is the quantum mechanical principle that no two identical fermions (particles with half-integer spin) may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. no two realitys can coexist at the same in the same place

And also like Heisenberg uncertainty principle states a fundamental limit on the accuracy with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle, such as position and momentum, can be simultaneously known. In layman's terms, the more precisely one property is measured, the less precisely the other can be controlled, determined, or known.

So if one is god why worry about good and evil those are human ideas and base on one who lives
when you are dealing with infinite chances you have to let the cards fall where they may
What would be the best way to know everything
if god concerned itself with only good and not evil then it would not know anything
to know good and evil is to live and know death everything that matters is living and the destiny of all living things is to die

ask this of anything that claims to be god
"Can a deity create a rock so heavy that even the deity itself cannot lift it? If so, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting the deity's power. But if not, then the deity is still not omnipotent because it cannot create that rock."




“Nevertheless, the argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived, neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose them to have no care of human things --why in either case should we mind about concealment? And even if there are gods, and they do care about us, yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the poets; and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced and turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.’ Let us be consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak truly, why then we had better be unjust, and offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying and sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished.” -Plato, The Republic, Book II





Chapter 1 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Nothing is everything, But Everything is not nothing.

"I [Lucifer] am the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life, and the giver of Life, yet therefore is the knowledge of me the knowledge of death..." -Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law. 21



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posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Negative has to exist in order to have Positive and there must be a neutral point between them to say one is better then the other is but a point
Truly reality must be within to points of infinity that which is between +1 and -1 and that which is without it

Here are my 2 favorate quotes from the books ive read the first is from an unlikely source but I hold it to apply throughout the choices of my life.
the 2nd is just poetic



"Suddenly you’re awake. But where are you? Everywhere you look there’s white. White walls hug and confine you, stretching deeper and deeper, marking the boundaries of a straight, narrow, featureless hallway. You’re bewildered, but who wouldn’t be? Finally you stand and look behind you. All white, everything, going back to where it vanishes. You push against the hard white floor, swaying and almost losing your balance because you’ve been asleep so long. Looking ahead, you realize the hallway is not exactly like it was behind you. Almost the same, but not quite. Way, way in the distance you can see some specks. And, reasoning that specks are better than nothing, you begin walking toward them. It takes a long time, but then the specks grow and define themselves. They have become signs, gold in color and arrow-shaped. They hang at the end of the hallway, and you can see lettering on them. Closer and closer you walk, until you can see that there’s a second hallway perpendicular to this one. One arrow points left and reads: “Casino.” The other points right and reads: “Life.” Choose Life.-- "America's Mad Genius" Mike Caro


OLBERS’ PARADOX And I heard the learned astronomer whose name was Heinrich Olbers speaking to us across the centuries about how he observed with naked eye how in the sky there were some few stars close up and the further away he looked the more of them there were with infinite numbers of clusters of stars in myriad Milky Ways & myriad nebulae So that from this we can deduce that in the infinite distances there must be a place there must be a place where all is light and that the light from that high place Where all is light simply hasn’t got here yet which is why we still have night But when at last that light arrives when at last it does get here the part of day we now call Night will have a white sky little black dots in it little black holes where once were stars And then in that symbolic so poetic place which will be ours we’ll be our own true shadows and our own illumination on a sunset earth -Lawrence Ferlinghetti


Remember this Latin saying --Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit-- and you will know that 1 never = 0 just like -1 never = 0
but +1 - 1 = 0 and that's a fact jack



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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I agree with you. s/f
The cup of knowledge can never be fillled. We are barking up the wrong tree when trying to understand who and what we are with knowledge.



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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mister try to pretend having some shoes before hallucinating about knowing wht shoes god wear

all ur ramblings to justify evil is nonsensical lies, anyone know that you can get to whatever means and wills u want by staying relative since it is principally about ur wills and means, but evil is not what gods enjoy living in torturing and forcing helpless beings to bad ends
evil is the opposition to true existence rights, what god enjoy getting the subjective superior existence freedom sense result from constantly inventing the intelligence that force all true existence rights to be in absolute inferiority conditions in the pleasure to keep killing free rights existing sense, bc zero still absolute condition dont erase relative true free rights existence individualities

zero is stillness freedom existence, that is gibberish to gain smthg from selling that zero existence is through -1 +1

-1 is never the reason of +1,which is obvious, on the contrary relative present freedom rights are the reason of absolute evil objective life that truth is forced to bring to zero reference freedom for existence right in truth justifications of, bc it is all god possessions then positive and even zero existence rights cannot b objective

while truth is positive freedom sense in absolute superiority realms all true is forced to absolute reverse for the sake of justifying how it cannot the least b free truly so only worse abuses is the reason of true sense forced



posted on Jan, 25 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by absolutely
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mister try to pretend having some shoes before hallucinating about knowing wht shoes god wear

all ur ramblings to justify evil is nonsensical lies, anyone know that you can get to whatever means and wills u want by staying relative since it is principally about ur wills and means, but evil is not what gods enjoy living in torturing and forcing helpless beings to bad ends
evil is the opposition to true existence rights, what god enjoy getting the subjective superior existence freedom sense result from constantly inventing the intelligence that force all true existence rights to be in absolute inferiority conditions in the pleasure to keep killing free rights existing sense, bc zero still absolute condition dont erase relative true free rights existence individualities

zero is stillness freedom existence, that is gibberish to gain smthg from selling that zero existence is through -1 +1

-1 is never the reason of +1,which is obvious, on the contrary relative present freedom rights are the reason of absolute evil objective life that truth is forced to bring to zero reference freedom for existence right in truth justifications of, bc it is all god possessions then positive and even zero existence rights cannot b objective

while truth is positive freedom sense in absolute superiority realms all true is forced to absolute reverse for the sake of justifying how it cannot the least b free truly so only worse abuses is the reason of true sense forced




Say dude, know that there are no absolute truths only half truths
Knowledge is the father for knowledge speaks Wisdom is the mother for she is always listening and Understanding is the sun for it spreads the light of the Mother and the Father
Its like a tree falling in the woods that is not heard and/or the first to be eaten the chicken or the egg they

I quote the bible because it tells the truth relatively speaking of course


3 And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light

If a God where to speak who would he speak to or want to speak to not himself or another god He would talk to the Goddess right is Gods mind that far removed from the gutter to not want to create something with a sexy Goddess someone has to listen have creation exist otherwise it wouldn't



4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. [P]

No where in there is darkness or night called evil but the goddess always looks her best in the light so I agree that its good

I can justify anything i want but to triangulate rational, logical and reason you still need to understand each have there opposite irrational illogical and unreasonable
Its a 3d world but you can know forwards without backward plus you need up and down to ever understand whats right since in this world 3 lefts make a right tell me whose right then

Here are my Three points
they can be negative, positive and/or neutral all at once if i so wish or anyone at time

All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, and meaningless in some sense.

Use to triangulate the limits of your opinion or interpretation to those that call it false by using Gods sense of you sounding meaningless cause you don't have a vagina hence he don't care what you have to say



“The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” – Socrates



With Communism man exploits man. With Capitalism it's the exact opposite. ____
" If voting could actually make a difference, it would be illegal"

"Time is the most valuable commodity I know.” Gordon Gekko

__A rose by any other name...Would never ever smell the same, And clever is the nose that knows, An onion that's been called a rose.

(--"This world a hollow pageant you should deem; All wise men know things are not what they seem; Be of good cheer, and drink, and so shake off This vain illusion of a baseless dream"--) Omar Khayyam

Elderly Man: "In the church, they say to forgive."
Creasy:" Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting."





Your cup is just a cup stuck in 2 other cups that are of 2 the same but one different.
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posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by IblisLucifer

Originally posted by absolutely
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Say dude, know that there are no absolute truths only half truths
Knowledge is the father for knowledge speaks Wisdom is the mother for she is always listening and Understanding is the sun for it spreads the light of the Mother and the Father
Its like a tree falling in the woods that is not heard and/or the first to be eaten the chicken or the egg they



it is unsane how u insist to make ur fancies on limiting all to u, existing

what is that u call knowledge mister what concept is it? just for making it what? ur father?? so someone became all knowledge just for what u will b the limited u want from what?
and what is that conception u call wisdom? for a mother listening to ur crap and defend ur limits while they get some gains if knowledge is satisfied?

it is clear how u invent that for ur perfect limited will free life

u need what can support u always even if u dont move, that is the mother figure
and what that can offer u superior sense when u envy some moves, father

then if it works somewhere u found the sense of fullfilment out of needs that make u forget them

then they slap u and start over though in ur twisted head

it is to easy to play with such clear free finites will

what know know what? or what believe believe what? so u see there is nothing but that what

i and anyone else can invent much better relation to what then knowledge and wisdom while it has nothing to do with what and its existence



posted on Jan, 26 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Don't talk like you're one of them! You're not... even if you'd like to be. To them you're just a freak, like me. They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out. Like a leper. See, their morals, their "code"... it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these uh, these "civilized people", they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.


It's insane that it absolutely bugs you that much thy will be done right

so why so serious?

It's like a bad joke gone good or a good joke gone maybe it's a just a bad bad joke on yourself and mildly assmusing myself?



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