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Taliban-U.S. peace talks look more likely; military worried

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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It becomes hypocrisy getting lectured by a Canadian on what Americans should be doing there is a word on here that gets thrown around quit a bit starts with a N and sounds a lot like NEOCON.

So America should go bomb the hell out of Saudi al rightie then.




posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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More negotiations with the Taliban? Negotiations with a group who has no concept of contracts or diplomacy in the way we do in the West? This is a disaster on wheels! That is my opinion on it. Talking to a group that has a heck of a lot of blood on their hands is not something I relish. This could be an indicator that military operations are actually working, and this is an attempt by the Taliban to get some breathing room?

They need to prove to the US and the Afghan government that they are serious about engaging politically. Some examples would be mass disarmament, turning over criminals in their ranks to face trial, and offering a public apology to the Afghan people about their former reign of terror. Clear parameters should be put in place before any such thing is even considered. As of now, they are the enemy and the only negotiations to be had will be through lead or imprisonment. I am not buying this bill of goods.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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Hi.

I must have missed something...

We don't negotiate with Terrorists?...

Terrorism Negotiations

Sorry, my bad.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Yeah make peace with the people who stone and behead and cut off women's noses and keep their women "barefoot" and pregnant so to speak.


I agree. Making peace with the Americans who have dropped millions of tons of high-explosives on Afghans is a tough decision but some people prefer peace over conflict.


It becomes hypocrisy getting lectured by a Canadian on what Americans should be doing there is a word on here that gets thrown around quit a bit starts with a N and sounds a lot like NEOCON.


I guess you don't know what ISAF has been for the past decade... you know, that one organization that the US has completely underminded efforts for by running their own separate and brutal military campaign?
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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Daedal
No, not at all. We'll see what the opinion of UNHRC has to say about the mass casualties in Syria, and if it will lead to a Libya scenario.


Well we could ask our three Canadian thread contributors...

Canada did take a lead role in Libya after all.

ETA: Some more info...




Canada at war with Libya


Stephen Harper is giving fighter pilots a green light to fire when necessary against Moammar Gadhafi's regime. The sanction comes as a coalition of countries started using force to prevent the North African dictator from killing more of his people.

On Friday, six CF18 jets flew out of Quebec, en route to enforce a No-Fly zone ordered by the United Nations. Officials say 140 Canadian men and women will join French forces who are already patrolling Libyan skies and attacking Gadhafi's resources.

Andy Knight, a University of Alberta professor who specializes in military analysis, says Canada is entering legitimate enemy territory and will likely suffer casualties.

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Says the other Canadiane in the thread gee it's not like Canada has no blood on their hands when they were there but i forgot it's bash America time.

Lets forget about all the suicide bombings and using fellow Afghans as human sheilds and killing millions on opium heroin and hashish..

Yawn.

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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


Says the other Canadiane in the thread gee it's not like Canada has no blood on their hands when they were there but i forgot it's bash America time.

Lets forget about all the suicide bombings and using fellow Afghans as human sheilds and killng millions on Heroin.

Yawn.


Yeah, that seems to be all that you can talk about.

Unfortunately I've already seen the data that proves that Taliban attacks have been both desperate and resulting in a mere fraction of the catastrophe that the Americans have brought to the region.

Yawn indeed.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Seen all the data eh?

Yep we got a internet analyst here any feild experience oh say like on the ground in Afghanistan?

I'm betting no or did the data come from presstv? al jazerra?

Still Yawn.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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]Originally posted by Tw0Sides
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So what was the point of this war ?



imo - the poppy fields - production has soared since we arrived.

Why do you think they fragged Pat Tilman - he was going to blow the whistle on this charade.

Peace

Soldiers guarding poppy fields:



Pat Tillman Story intro:



Family Guy - Pat Tillman:




posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


Seen all the data eh?

Yep we got a internet analyst here any feild experience oh say like on the ground in Afghanistan?

I'm betting no or did the data come from presstv? al jazerra?

Still Yawn.


No, actually we study this in this thing called university. I doubt that you know what that is because by your attitude, you seem to just regurgitate jingoist rhetoric that has been spoonfed into your head.

I see you posting on here about how there shouldn't be peace talks with people who do things that you don't agree with. Do you also agree with invading Afghanistan? And why? Because you think the Taliban did 9/11?

I bet you didn't know this: The US demanded the Taliban hand over a guest in their country, bin Laden. Taliban asked for proof that bin Laden was involved with 9/11. US invaded anyway.

In case you haven't noticed, invading Afghanistan was part of the neocon agenda years before 9/11. It had nothing to do with the cultural situation in that country, other than the fact that they were not already American proxies. Every time you regurgitate redundant expressions about how bad Afghans are to each other (redundant in the sense that the same could be said for any damn country/culture in the world from other national/cultural perspectives), you only support some perception of the conflict that isn't even close to the reality of this whole bloody war.

In fact, you're trying to pass the war off as some Bush-era "good vs evil" crusade.

Afghan civilian deaths = 34,000+
Taliban/"insurgent" deaths = 41,000+

Tell me, in your opinion, what is an insurgent? Some evil-doer that needs to be killed, or somebody with the balls to pick up a gun after watching their family and friends turn into pink mist?

Remember, ~2000 dead on 9/11. Nothing but a pitiful blood sacrifice to justify the war that you promote so blindly.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Afghan civilian deaths = 34,000+
Taliban/"insurgent" deaths = 41,000+


Did your University studies mention how many tens of thousands were killed annually by both when the Taliban were in power and due to the civil war Afghanistan was in continuously since the Soviets left until 2001?



Remember, ~2000 dead on 9/11. Nothing but a pitiful blood sacrifice to justify the war that you promote so blindly.


No...

I remember something like 2,966 dead on 9/11. Your University education isnt showing itself very well.

Was it a study in 9/11 Conspiracies?



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Hmmm great love the personal attack and sorry you know what they say University of Louisville here oh well hey did that awesome university ever teach that Canada is the largest exporter of death/Uranium in the world?

Probably not

Not even going to bother with the rest Bush hate and truther think you need to get a refund from the "uni".
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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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I'm most likely alone on this sentiment, but I think we should just get the hell out of dodge. This war/conflict/feud/tickle fight/whatever has literally been more successful in tearing the US apart than making any progress in Afghanistan. Seriously, there is more strife here in the US than there is in Afghanistan. Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but this country has been pushed to the brink of self destruction because of all this.

Pull the hell out now. Get away and leave them to kill each other. They screw with us again, bomb the hell out of them. Civility be damned. If the government really meant this as a sign to show off why you shouldn't mess with us, that would be the way to do it. But more signs show to protecting investments. Whatever. It's all a bunch of BS and right now we need to focus on repairing our own country and bringing everyone together once again. This country is so damn split down the middle with people bickering back and forth over things of little importance compared to what we should be uniting to fix that's right in front of our faces and not thousands of miles away.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 


Hmmm great love the personal attack and sorry you know what they say University of Louisville here oh well hey did that awesome university ever teach that Canada is the largest exporter of death/Uranium in the world?

Probably not

Not even going to bother with the rest Bush hate and truther think you need to get a refund from the "uni".
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haha, hilarious. I didn't realize that I myself was a supporter of federal business in my country, nor did I realize that Canada refined our export uranium to weapons-grade and built them into weapons



SLAYER69-
Did your University studies mention how many tens of thousands were killed annually by both when the Taliban were in power and due to the civil war Afghanistan was in continuously since the Soviets left until 2001?


My "university studies" certainly point out that the destabilization of Afganistan was directed by the American government solely for the purpose of geostrategic warfare against the Soviets. It was Brzenzinski himself who bragged about forming the mujahideen that eventually formed into the Taliban, and he even flew over there on more than one occasion to tell the mujahideen that their holy war is just and America backs it 100%.

So regardless of what the fatality numbers were in 1990s feudal Afghanistan, you must realize that it was your country that created the situation for their own global power prowess.


No...

I remember something like 2,966 dead on 9/11. Your University education isnt showing itself very well.

Was it a study in 9/11 Conspiracies?


Real classy, you show yourself to be


In fact, the only number I remember about 9/11 is 20,000, because that's what both the media and people who I ran into on that day were claiming. Turns out that the original number was a load of nationalist bullsh*t, along with coming up with a scapegoat for it within hours, and the eventual pro-West regime changes in the Middle East that followed the original "kill bin Laden" mission in Afghanistan.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
 

It becomes hypocrisy getting lectured by a Canadian on what Americans should be doing there is a word on here that gets thrown around quit a bit starts with a N and sounds a lot like NEOCON.
So America should go bomb the hell out of Saudi al rightie then.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
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"Truth, Justice and the American way"

Why are you quoting Superman?

I'm guessing we have a little bit of a communications problem. You believe what you like...and for the record, I didn't vote for Steve.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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"Truth, Justice and the American way"

Why are you quoting Superman?




Because many would have you believe that the American way is Crush,Kill, Destroy!




S&F



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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You've Dragged out/Bragged about the whole "'University" angle many times while you and I have gone over this topic a few times in the past.

Should I scan in some Certificates/Degrees of my own?

Would that make you believe me anymore?

Give it a rest.

It isn't "Classy" nor winning the hearts and minds.

Stick to the topic.
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posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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I didnt Vote for Bush or Obama



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
 


I didnt Vote for Bush or Obama

As long as you voted, my friend.



posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by SLAYER69
 

So what was the point of this war ?

Al-cia-da was in Pakistan the entire time, we fought the Taliban --to give it back to the Taliban?



Al-Q was working in Afghanistan the whole damn time, and helped in the brutal take over there. Your revision on works on people who were not paying attention to global politics. I was. I was paying attention to the brutal regimes suppression of women, and their continuing attempts to get the West's attentions by taking airplanes. That's right, 911 wasn't their first one. People like you kept advocating delayed retribution and giving into them so they kept getting bolder.

The borders of Pakistan / Afghanistan and every other part of the Islamic superstate are a figment of politicians and the West's minds. They do business, marry across families, etc. Those borders means almost nothing, so your deflection "it was Pakistan" means nothing.



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